Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2008
Combine ret aura (which you WILL have up as a ret pally) with E4E, which now procs off all crits made against the pally. It all adds up, ya know.
Frankly, I like the fact that as a blood elf pally I will have the following:
5% (?) base chance for a spell to fail on me, if the enemy has no spell hit
+ 2% chance for a spell to miss (racial)
+ 4% chance for a spell to miss (divine purpose)
+...oh fucknuts, they removed the spell miss from pursuit and put it on purpose.
Oh well. 11% chance for a spell to fizzle and die on me in basic pvp at 80? bwahahahahahahaha!
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So far this is my most preferred prot spec. I still don't find Reconing to be very useful. At least the threat gain I get from faster judge casts and imp critical strike make up for it. And the whole raid can benefit from heart of the crusader.
Does that really change things all that much, though? Most things you block are also doing damage to you, unless they're tiny weak hits that get fully blocked.
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edited September 2008
I though it had to be a clean hit for a Reckoning proc to happen, and taking damage while blocking wouldn't cause one, the way it is on live.
I never did any testing or reading up on it though.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2008
That means that it raises your reckoning chance by 10% of your block chance.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
The big question in my mind is what our mana regeneration is going to be like. Benediction now affects pretty much everything we do, and thus looks pretty nice on paper, but with the new BoSanct and talk of things being more focused on mitigation and less on avoidance in the expansion, I wonder if we'll need it. It would pretty much eliminate any tough decisions in the prot tree if we can go without.
Also, can someone quickly explain why Str is good for us now? I'm a little behind.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
The big question in my mind is what our mana regeneration is going to be like. Benediction now affects pretty much everything we do, and thus looks pretty nice on paper, but with the new BoSanct and talk of things being more focused on mitigation and less on avoidance in the expansion, I wonder if we'll need it. It would pretty much eliminate any tough decisions in the prot tree if we can go without.
Also, can someone quickly explain why Str is good for us now? I'm a little behind.
Almost all of our abilities scale with AP now. And the Strength to BV ratio has gone from 20:1 to 2:1.
The big question in my mind is what our mana regeneration is going to be like. Benediction now affects pretty much everything we do, and thus looks pretty nice on paper, but with the new BoSanct and talk of things being more focused on mitigation and less on avoidance in the expansion, I wonder if we'll need it. It would pretty much eliminate any tough decisions in the prot tree if we can go without.
Also, can someone quickly explain why Str is good for us now? I'm a little behind.
Almost all of our abilities scale with AP now. And the Strength to BV ratio has gone from 20:1 to 2:1.
I see, thanks. So with Str adding to the damage of our spells and our BV, we won't be going for spell damage at all any more?
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
The big question in my mind is what our mana regeneration is going to be like. Benediction now affects pretty much everything we do, and thus looks pretty nice on paper, but with the new BoSanct and talk of things being more focused on mitigation and less on avoidance in the expansion, I wonder if we'll need it. It would pretty much eliminate any tough decisions in the prot tree if we can go without.
Also, can someone quickly explain why Str is good for us now? I'm a little behind.
Almost all of our abilities scale with AP now. And the Strength to BV ratio has gone from 20:1 to 2:1.
I see, thanks. So with Str adding to the damage of our spells and our BV, we won't be going for spell damage at all any more?
Kinda. But most of the time, no, we won't be aiming for SP.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
it'll be a situation of, which is more TPS, 20 str or 43 spell damage on this item
I probably didn't look far enough back, but is there any concern about being crittable once 3.0 goes live (-20 defense skill from Anticipation change)? A guy at work was talking about how he'd have to ditch his 75 badge chest for the 100 badge warrior chest just to get uncrittable again. How accurate is this?
Picked up the badge ring and swapped to the Maiden gauntlets to close the gap.
Now I just need to find a Gruul pug to replace these stupid D3 shoulders
I want to test pvp in all forms, I think it looks pretty good, I'm not sure about Benediction vice Deflection. And righteous vengeance seems ok but I'm not sure where I'd get the points to max it.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
Alright, preliminary reports.
Paladin threat is fantastically awesome in WotLK.
I tanked Utgarde Keep and The Nexus at level 70, wearing the gear you see on my armory
with the notable exception of the Blade of Infamy rather than Hammer of Judgement, and all the gear is reitemised with strength.
Even with Salv gone, I was effortlessly holding aggro off Sunwell geared DPSers, which was great fun. Blessing of Sanctuary basically means that even in the most extreme mana starvation situations you have enough to keep going. Hammer of the Righteous only costs 177 mana. Having Seal of Corruption proc off every attack meant that a stack was up and going almost instantly with a 5stack. Hammer of the Righteous was hitting for about 850, critting for around 1500, on the three targets.
Avenger's Shield being instant is fantastic, it basically makes it yet another "3 target threat spell", usable in your normal rotation. Holy Wrath being instant is great since a lot of stuff in Utgarde is undead.
...but I'm not sure where should I spend the last 5 points: Seals of the Pure or Conviction? Any suggestions?
BTW: Yes, Reck is probably not worth it, just trying it for...uh "test" purposes. Yeah.
Some of the early math is coming in and in terms of threat generation increase, Seals of the Pure is better then conviction.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
edited September 2008
Also the mana regen on BoSanc is insane. I did some four mob pulls, using Consecrate, HS, HotR and JoJ with SoV up and I was regening mana as fast as I was using it.
Also the mana regen on BoSanc is insane. I did some four mob pulls, using Consecrate, HS, HotR and JoJ with SoV up and I was regening mana as fast as I was using it.
So...likely to be nerfed then.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
Basically the general idea seems to be, if its a 3 mob pull, don't use Consecrate, if its more, use it.
Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
also, when soloing as Prot, especially in t6 level gear, nothing will hurt you, so you can use Seal of Wisdom a lot, and with Hammer of the righteous proccing seals, thats three procs everytime you cast it
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Frankly, I like the fact that as a blood elf pally I will have the following:
5% (?) base chance for a spell to fail on me, if the enemy has no spell hit
+ 2% chance for a spell to miss (racial)
+ 4% chance for a spell to miss (divine purpose)
+...oh fucknuts, they removed the spell miss from pursuit and put it on purpose.
Oh well. 11% chance for a spell to fizzle and die on me in basic pvp at 80? bwahahahahahahaha!
Thats my thought process at least.
I want a talent calculator iPod/iPhone app.
When they released the SDK for the iPhone, this was the first thing I thought about making. Then I got lazy and forgot about it.
It'd get taken down though, when they find that Blizzard didn't appreciate a third party doing it.
How would it be any different than wowhead/mmochampion/any other site that has a talent calc?
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=550000000000000000000000000050000000000000000000000000050053500313251533312321
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PVP Prot lol.
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So it does. Hmmm.
Does that really change things all that much, though? Most things you block are also doing damage to you, unless they're tiny weak hits that get fully blocked.
I never did any testing or reading up on it though.
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Reckoning isn't that way on live.
Also, can someone quickly explain why Str is good for us now? I'm a little behind.
Almost all of our abilities scale with AP now. And the Strength to BV ratio has gone from 20:1 to 2:1.
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I see, thanks. So with Str adding to the damage of our spells and our BV, we won't be going for spell damage at all any more?
Kinda. But most of the time, no, we won't be aiming for SP.
With the new top of the tree, I can't imagine a spell damage weapon ever being a good choice.
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Also, finally got uncrushable last night, woohoo!
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Pixen
Picked up the badge ring and swapped to the Maiden gauntlets to close the gap.
Now I just need to find a Gruul pug to replace these stupid D3 shoulders
Hopefully I'll get some maiden gauntlets soon and then enough badges for the chest piece.
My guilds main pala tank is still using the D3 shoulders. He's lost on gruul's shoulders about 5 times =(
Feel kinda sorry for him.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=052322512030312302135031301000000000000000000000000000053200503000000000000000
I want to test pvp in all forms, I think it looks pretty good, I'm not sure about Benediction vice Deflection. And righteous vengeance seems ok but I'm not sure where I'd get the points to max it.
Paladin threat is fantastically awesome in WotLK.
I tanked Utgarde Keep and The Nexus at level 70, wearing the gear you see on my armory
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dath'Remar&n=Tyaera
with the notable exception of the Blade of Infamy rather than Hammer of Judgement, and all the gear is reitemised with strength.
Even with Salv gone, I was effortlessly holding aggro off Sunwell geared DPSers, which was great fun. Blessing of Sanctuary basically means that even in the most extreme mana starvation situations you have enough to keep going. Hammer of the Righteous only costs 177 mana. Having Seal of Corruption proc off every attack meant that a stack was up and going almost instantly with a 5stack. Hammer of the Righteous was hitting for about 850, critting for around 1500, on the three targets.
Avenger's Shield being instant is fantastic, it basically makes it yet another "3 target threat spell", usable in your normal rotation. Holy Wrath being instant is great since a lot of stuff in Utgarde is undead.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVA0ugtcIRGoEc
...but I'm not sure where should I spend the last 5 points: Seals of the Pure or Conviction? Any suggestions?
BTW: Yes, Reck is probably not worth it, just trying it for...uh "test" purposes. Yeah.
If your gunna use reconing, I would get Seals of pure. Though I would get it anyway even without Reconing.
I'm not a fan of reconing.
Some of the early math is coming in and in terms of threat generation increase, Seals of the Pure is better then conviction.
So...likely to be nerfed then.