Are you suggesting that buying a gaming console entitles you to free demos?
If that shit was promised to us at the beginning? Yes. I am suggesting that.
You're still getting free demos.
Not as promised.
I don't remember Sony ever mentioning anything about Qore when they were talking about how shitty Live was.
Live and Qore do different things. Also, I don't think they promised that every demo and beta would be free, forever.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
If you can afford movie popcorn, you can't possibly be starving.
Live and Qore do different things. Also, I don't think they promised that every demo and beta would be free, forever.
I also don't recall Sony saying, "our service is completely free (until we decide otherwise)". I bring up Live because that's what they compared themselves to, that's what they've wanted to complete with. They're doing that by charging for first dibs on demos and making you watch ads to get into betas.
They're a small sample of the full experience to entice you to buy the full product.
Unless you're really desperate then demos can't substitute for games, just like how unless you're really hungry those little sausages will almost work as a food.
But a demo isn't a game, that's why they cut off after a part that'll get you to play the rest, and only include some of the full experience even outside of just the story part.
Of course it's only part of the full game it's representing. You didn't stumble onto anything here.
How about we start slowly. If demos were just ads, why would anyone play them, free or otherwise?
Why would people look at posters/watch commercials/check out trailers/in any way consume advertisement? People will pay attention to advertisement for things they're interested in or think they might be interested in.
They're a small sample of the full experience to entice you to buy the full product.
Unless you're really desperate then demos can't substitute for games, just like how unless you're really hungry those little sausages will almost work as a food.
But a demo isn't a game, that's why they cut off after a part that'll get you to play the rest, and only include some of the full experience even outside of just the story part.
Of course it's only part of the full game it's representing. You didn't stumble onto anything here.
How about we start slowly. If demos were just ads, why would anyone play them, free or otherwise?
they're not so much ads as brief examples I guess.
regardless, why bother paying for a demo when 1: you can get it for free elsewhere, or 2: you can rent the full game when it somes out for the same price.
They're a small sample of the full experience to entice you to buy the full product.
Unless you're really desperate then demos can't substitute for games, just like how unless you're really hungry those little sausages will almost work as a food.
But a demo isn't a game, that's why they cut off after a part that'll get you to play the rest, and only include some of the full experience even outside of just the story part.
Of course it's only part of the full game it's representing. You didn't stumble onto anything here.
How about we start slowly. If demos were just ads, why would anyone play them, free or otherwise?
they're not so much ads as brief examples I guess.
regardless, why bother paying for a demo when 1: you can get it for free elsewhere, or 2: you can rent the full game when it somes out for the same price.
For the online magazine and early access to betas? Also, you can stay inside.
If you can afford movie popcorn, you can't possibly be starving.
They said mostly full and picked up. So, like, dumpter diving for popcorn.
More like, "Hey, there's an an almost full bag o' popcorn by that seat, and I haven't eaten in nine hours - screw dignity, there's no food in my cupboards."
Edit: Yeah, pretty much dumpster diving, only with more rationalisation and fewer dumpsters.
They're a small sample of the full experience to entice you to buy the full product.
Unless you're really desperate then demos can't substitute for games, just like how unless you're really hungry those little sausages will almost work as a food.
But a demo isn't a game, that's why they cut off after a part that'll get you to play the rest, and only include some of the full experience even outside of just the story part.
Of course it's only part of the full game it's representing. You didn't stumble onto anything here.
How about we start slowly. If demos were just ads, why would anyone play them, free or otherwise?
they're not so much ads as brief examples I guess.
regardless, why bother paying for a demo when 1: you can get it for free elsewhere, or 2: you can rent the full game when it somes out for the same price.
Because 1: The idea here is that you can't get it free else where. An exclusive of sorts. There still could be reasons, like you need the disk because you have a shitty internet connection, or you need it digital because your dvd drive doesn't work. 2: If the demo and game came out at the same time, then yes, that would be kinda silly. No sane person would make an exclusive demo that's only accessible to people with a paid subscription to some service the day a game came out.
Neva on
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
They're a small sample of the full experience to entice you to buy the full product.
Unless you're really desperate then demos can't substitute for games, just like how unless you're really hungry those little sausages will almost work as a food.
But a demo isn't a game, that's why they cut off after a part that'll get you to play the rest, and only include some of the full experience even outside of just the story part.
Of course it's only part of the full game it's representing. You didn't stumble onto anything here.
How about we start slowly. If demos were just ads, why would anyone play them, free or otherwise?
they're not so much ads as brief examples I guess.
regardless, why bother paying for a demo when 1: you can get it for free elsewhere, or 2: you can rent the full game when it somes out for the same price.
Because 1: The idea here is that you can't get it free else where. An exclusive of sorts. There still could be reasons, like you need the disk because you have a shitty internet connection, or you need it digital because your dvd drive doesn't work. 2: If the demo and game came out at the first time, then yes, that would be kinda silly. No sane person would make an exclusive demo that's only accessible by people with a paid subscription to some service the day a game came out.
They're a small sample of the full experience to entice you to buy the full product.
Unless you're really desperate then demos can't substitute for games, just like how unless you're really hungry those little sausages will almost work as a food.
But a demo isn't a game, that's why they cut off after a part that'll get you to play the rest, and only include some of the full experience even outside of just the story part.
Of course it's only part of the full game it's representing. You didn't stumble onto anything here.
How about we start slowly. If demos were just ads, why would anyone play them, free or otherwise?
they're not so much ads as brief examples I guess.
regardless, why bother paying for a demo when 1: you can get it for free elsewhere, or 2: you can rent the full game when it somes out for the same price.
Because 1: The idea here is that you can't get it free else where. An exclusive of sorts. There still could be reasons, like you need the disk because you have a shitty internet connection, or you need it digital because your dvd drive doesn't work. 2: If the demo and game came out at the first time, then yes, that would be kinda silly. No sane person would make an exclusive demo that's only accessible by people with a paid subscription to some service the day a game came out.
No sane person would release a console for $6....
No I can't do it.
Yeah, you would of been pretty stupid if you did, because you would be completely ignoring everything else, the point I made earlier included.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Yeah, same company that made the PS2. And Nintendo is the same company that made the N64.
And MS thought the OxBox HUEG controller would be a good idea and Sega thought people wanted Sonic 360.
Which of these companies has made the most stupid mistakes this generation?
And how many people knew that Ninty would make a fucking breakthrough with the Wii after the GCN flop?
Or that MS would end up releasing an awesome controller the next gen?
Why is it so strange to assume consistency when it's more par for the course than complete radical changes?
Because it's not a complete radical change. It's a system that's been used for half a fucking decade.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
I don't think anyone'll say I'm just "lolEAing" by predicting that there'll be Madden 2012 and it won't really change that much other than stats.
I do, because people that play those games say that they do change more than just stats and skins, contray to what the numerous people that see "(Game) (year)" say.
System? Are we talking about releasing demos early now or are we talking about Sony making stupid PR/marketing mistakes?
We're talking about early access to demos and betas that come with a magazine, or a lot of other services like fileplanet. Why are you so dumb?
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
System? Are we talking about releasing demos early now or are we talking about Sony making stupid PR/marketing mistakes?
We're talking about early access to demos and betas that come with a magazine, or a lot of other services like fileplanet. Why are you so dumb?
Because you're responding to different issues then the one I'm bringing up?
Hey let's look at that quote tree.
I say that saying "Sane" about Sony was not an indication that they'd actually do it.
Goomba pointed out that other companies have made mistakes
I said that Sony has been the one with the bad track record this gen, and that expecting them to continue to do so made sense
You said that obviously demos being released earlier than the game would happen because it's been being used before, duh.
Do you see where the confusion is? Or do you just feel like making more personal attacks because maybe that'll make it seem like you have more of a point?
So, they're interactive ads? But they're not ads. Butt.
Who said they aren't ads? I remember seeing "they're ads, but more than that", but I don't know, maybe I missed something while I was busy not skimming.
System? Are we talking about releasing demos early now or are we talking about Sony making stupid PR/marketing mistakes?
We're talking about early access to demos and betas that come with a magazine, or a lot of other services like fileplanet. Why are you so dumb?
Because you're responding to different issues then the one I'm bringing up?
Hey let's look at that quote tree.
I say that saying "Sane" about Sony was not an indication that they'd actually do it.
Goomba pointed out that other companies have made mistakes
I said that Sony has been the one with the bad track record this gen, and that expecting them to continue to do so made sense
You said that obviously demos being released earlier than the game would happen because it's been being used before, duh.
Do you see where the confusion is? Or do you just feel like making more personal attacks because maybe that'll make it seem like you have more of a point?
You brought up something, out of the blue, that not only didn't make any sense, but also had absolutely nothing to do with anything in this thread. No one gives a shit if you think Sony is crazy and that they have failed in everything they do. You can't just say "They did this before! I thought that was crazy!" and have it validate your non-point.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
System? Are we talking about releasing demos early now or are we talking about Sony making stupid PR/marketing mistakes?
We're talking about early access to demos and betas that come with a magazine, or a lot of other services like fileplanet. Why are you so dumb?
Because you're responding to different issues then the one I'm bringing up?
Hey let's look at that quote tree.
I say that saying "Sane" about Sony was not an indication that they'd actually do it.
Goomba pointed out that other companies have made mistakes
I said that Sony has been the one with the bad track record this gen, and that expecting them to continue to do so made sense
You said that obviously demos being released earlier than the game would happen because it's been being used before, duh.
Do you see where the confusion is? Or do you just feel like making more personal attacks because maybe that'll make it seem like you have more of a point?
I was saying that, like, companies make mistakes, even perfect Nintendo, which still is. But, hey, it's fair to assume that Sony sees nothing wrong this gen at all, because "lolsony" (hahahaha lol and sony never gets old. I mean giits old! har!) and they clearly are going to release these explusive demos a year after the game is out. I guess.
System? Are we talking about releasing demos early now or are we talking about Sony making stupid PR/marketing mistakes?
We're talking about early access to demos and betas that come with a magazine, or a lot of other services like fileplanet. Why are you so dumb?
Because you're responding to different issues then the one I'm bringing up?
Hey let's look at that quote tree.
I say that saying "Sane" about Sony was not an indication that they'd actually do it.
Goomba pointed out that other companies have made mistakes
I said that Sony has been the one with the bad track record this gen, and that expecting them to continue to do so made sense
You said that obviously demos being released earlier than the game would happen because it's been being used before, duh.
Do you see where the confusion is? Or do you just feel like making more personal attacks because maybe that'll make it seem like you have more of a point?
I was saying that, like, companies make mistakes, even perfect Nintendo, which still is. But, hey, it's fair to assume that Sony sees nothing wrong this gen at all, because "lolsony" (hahahaha lol and sony never gets old. I mean giits old! har!) and they clearly are going to release these explusive demos a year after the game is out. I guess.
Did I say that they'd release them a year after the game is out?
Or did I make up that some demos are in fact released at the same time as the game?
No, my point was that assuming that Sony is going to release any demos that are part of the paid service before the game comes out is wrong, especially when saying that it'll obviously be that way because it makes sense.
I'm still unclear as to how a snippet of a game made for the purpose of enticing people to buy the game is "more" than an ad, and in what way.
That pretty much just sounds like an ad.
Is it because people can enjoy demos? What about funny or creative commercials? Are they more than ads?
Is it because it's part of the full product? Because movie trailers are part of the full product, are they more than ads?
Do you or have you ever rented a game? If so, why did you pay to try out a game?
I have, and every time I have I've had the entire game at my fingertips, if I put in the time to get to it. Funny how renting the full game and downloading a snippet of the game intended to advertise the game aren't the same thing at all.
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Live and Qore do different things. Also, I don't think they promised that every demo and beta would be free, forever.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
I also don't recall Sony saying, "our service is completely free (until we decide otherwise)". I bring up Live because that's what they compared themselves to, that's what they've wanted to complete with. They're doing that by charging for first dibs on demos and making you watch ads to get into betas.
Why would people look at posters/watch commercials/check out trailers/in any way consume advertisement? People will pay attention to advertisement for things they're interested in or think they might be interested in.
they're not so much ads as brief examples I guess.
regardless, why bother paying for a demo when 1: you can get it for free elsewhere, or 2: you can rent the full game when it somes out for the same price.
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What if you had a Ferrari and then some but not all gas stations started charging 10% more for Ferrari drivers.
(Please do not gift. My game bank is already full.)
More like, "Hey, there's an an almost full bag o' popcorn by that seat, and I haven't eaten in nine hours - screw dignity, there's no food in my cupboards."
Edit: Yeah, pretty much dumpster diving, only with more rationalisation and fewer dumpsters.
Because 1: The idea here is that you can't get it free else where. An exclusive of sorts. There still could be reasons, like you need the disk because you have a shitty internet connection, or you need it digital because your dvd drive doesn't work. 2: If the demo and game came out at the same time, then yes, that would be kinda silly. No sane person would make an exclusive demo that's only accessible to people with a paid subscription to some service the day a game came out.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
And Toyota are giving away petrol to their drivers, but you can only drive 30mph
You see, the PS3 is like a steak...
I lol at your use of both "petrol" and "miles per gallon".
No sane person would release a console for $6....
No I can't do it.
Yeah, you would of been pretty stupid if you did, because you would be completely ignoring everything else, the point I made earlier included.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
The 'h' stands for 'hour', not gallon.
They were just trying for the hitherto-ignored violent pedophile market - that's a key demographic when considering video game sales.
And MS thought the OxBox HUEG controller would be a good idea and Sega thought people wanted Sonic 360.
Which of these companies has made the most stupid mistakes this generation?
And how many people knew that Ninty would make a fucking breakthrough with the Wii after the GCN flop?
Or that MS would end up releasing an awesome controller the next gen?
Why is it so strange to assume consistency when it's more par for the course than complete radical changes?
I don't think anyone'll say I'm just "lolEAing" by predicting that there'll be Madden 2012 and it won't really change that much other than stats.
Who the hell do you think you are, exposing my mistakes like that?
Because it's not a complete radical change. It's a system that's been used for half a fucking decade.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Perhaps it is best to forget those days. They aren't coming back.
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Can I take this time to possibly stoke the flames of an epic troll and again mention how Sony has yet to fix their shitty fucking controller?
To be fair, MS' D-pad is still broken, and practically every controller is obsolete since the release of the Saturn.
We're talking about early access to demos and betas that come with a magazine, or a lot of other services like fileplanet. Why are you so dumb?
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
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Because you're responding to different issues then the one I'm bringing up?
Hey let's look at that quote tree.
I say that saying "Sane" about Sony was not an indication that they'd actually do it.
Goomba pointed out that other companies have made mistakes
I said that Sony has been the one with the bad track record this gen, and that expecting them to continue to do so made sense
You said that obviously demos being released earlier than the game would happen because it's been being used before, duh.
Do you see where the confusion is? Or do you just feel like making more personal attacks because maybe that'll make it seem like you have more of a point?
That pretty much just sounds like an ad.
Is it because people can enjoy demos? What about funny or creative commercials? Are they more than ads?
Is it because it's part of the full product? Because movie trailers are part of the full product, are they more than ads?
You brought up something, out of the blue, that not only didn't make any sense, but also had absolutely nothing to do with anything in this thread. No one gives a shit if you think Sony is crazy and that they have failed in everything they do. You can't just say "They did this before! I thought that was crazy!" and have it validate your non-point.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
At least you can play the demo on your system.
Goddamn nintendo channel.
Did I say that they'd release them a year after the game is out?
Or did I make up that some demos are in fact released at the same time as the game?
No, my point was that assuming that Sony is going to release any demos that are part of the paid service before the game comes out is wrong, especially when saying that it'll obviously be that way because it makes sense.
I have, and every time I have I've had the entire game at my fingertips, if I put in the time to get to it. Funny how renting the full game and downloading a snippet of the game intended to advertise the game aren't the same thing at all.