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Sony's "Qore" thing: you have to pay for some demos

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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    Did I say that they'd release them a year after the game is out?

    Or did I make up that some demos are in fact released at the same time as the game?

    No, my point was that assuming that Sony is going to release any demos that are part of the paid service before the game comes out is wrong, especially when saying that it'll obviously be that way because it makes sense.
    Why is it wrong to assume Sony will follow the standards, like Neva said? Is it because they're Sony and you hate them?

    Edit: Oh, right, most people rent games instead of buying them, not to see if the game is worth the $50. My bad there.

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Goomba wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    I'm still unclear as to how a snippet of a game made for the purpose of enticing people to buy the game is "more" than an ad, and in what way.

    That pretty much just sounds like an ad.

    Is it because people can enjoy demos? What about funny or creative commercials? Are they more than ads?

    Is it because it's part of the full product? Because movie trailers are part of the full product, are they more than ads?
    Do you or have you ever rented a game? If so, why did you pay to try out a game?

    Renting is hardly paying to try out a game. When you rent you get access to the full game, not just the first 2 levels.

    Rental = limited time
    Demo = limited content

    edit: beat'd

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  • CrazybearCrazybear Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    So I'm thinking I should start erecting biohazard signs around this thread to warn them of the danger to their brains within.

    It's too late for that, I say we take off and nuke the thing from orbit.

    It's the only way to be sure.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Sheep wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    Hold on, I'll try to come up with a bad car analogy for this...

    What if you had a Ferrari and then some but not all gas stations started charging 10% more for Ferrari drivers.

    You see, the PS3 is like a steak...
    And Toyota are giving away petrol to their drivers, but you can only drive 30mph

    I lol at your use of both "petrol" and "miles per gallon".

    The 'h' stands for 'hour', not gallon.

    Who the hell do you think you are, exposing my mistakes like that?

    CAPTAIN LITERACY!

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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    BubbaT wrote: »
    Goomba wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    I'm still unclear as to how a snippet of a game made for the purpose of enticing people to buy the game is "more" than an ad, and in what way.

    That pretty much just sounds like an ad.

    Is it because people can enjoy demos? What about funny or creative commercials? Are they more than ads?

    Is it because it's part of the full product? Because movie trailers are part of the full product, are they more than ads?
    Do you or have you ever rented a game? If so, why did you pay to try out a game?

    Renting is hardly paying to try out a game. When you rent you get access to the full game, not just the first 2 levels.

    Rental = limited time
    Demo = limited content

    edit: beat'd
    I've seen demos with limited time and no limited content. A lot, actually. Like, more than 10 times and I don't really pay attention to demos.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Goomba wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Did I say that they'd release them a year after the game is out?

    Or did I make up that some demos are in fact released at the same time as the game?

    No, my point was that assuming that Sony is going to release any demos that are part of the paid service before the game comes out is wrong, especially when saying that it'll obviously be that way because it makes sense.
    Why is it wrong to assume Sony will follow the standards, like Neva said? Is it because they're Sony and you hate them?

    Edit: Oh, right, most people rent games instead of buying them, not to see if the game is worth the $50. My bad there.

    Because many times I've seen as part of a magazine or other purchase a demo disc for an already-released product? It's an inconsistently held standard, and the argument "Well it'd make sense!" is a bad one.

    Dropping friend codes would make sense too, wouldn't it? Has that happened?

    Hell it's also the current standard.

    Sorry I let my sony hate come out there.

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  • NevaNeva Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    Goomba wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Did I say that they'd release them a year after the game is out?

    Or did I make up that some demos are in fact released at the same time as the game?

    No, my point was that assuming that Sony is going to release any demos that are part of the paid service before the game comes out is wrong, especially when saying that it'll obviously be that way because it makes sense.
    Why is it wrong to assume Sony will follow the standards, like Neva said? Is it because they're Sony and you hate them?

    Edit: Oh, right, most people rent games instead of buying them, not to see if the game is worth the $50. My bad there.

    Because many times I've seen as part of a magazine or other purchase a demo disc for an already-released product? It's an inconsistently held standard, and the argument "Well it'd make sense!" is a bad one.

    Here's the thing though. They aren't exclusive demos being released after the product comes out.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Any thread containing Neva, Goomba and Sony's marketing division is bound to be full of win.

    By win I mean suck.

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    lolthisthread

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Any thread containing Neva, Goomba and Sony's marketing division

    It does seem to be a little bit of a trend.

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  • Duchess ProzacDuchess Prozac Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wow. This thread sure went down the qrapper.
    Sorry, couldn't resist.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Maybe we should attack the Qore for massive damage.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    you guys are still going?

    did you notice the ps3 is still getting a civ revolutions demo, free, this week? in the glorious opening week of qore?

    this is nothing to do with demos. the only thing it will affect are are maybe a few betas, or 'pre-release' early first party demos.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dammit, the quote says "weak point," not core. Fuck, my witty retort fails.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    bsjezz wrote: »
    you guys are still going?

    did you notice the ps3 is still getting a civ revolutions demo, free, this week? in the glorious opening week of qore?

    this is nothing to do with demos. the only thing it will affect are are maybe a few betas, or 'pre-release' early first party demos.

    ...

    They said that it'll have something to do with demos.

    They explicitly said that it'll have something to do with demos.

    Ok I understand almost the people assuming that the big demos coming to Qore meaning that they'll be timed, early-release demos.

    Saying that it has nothing to do with demos? That's not even extrapolating, that's completely contradicting the press release.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dammit, the quote says "weak point," not core. Fuck, my witty retort fails.

    Made me laugh - although I've been studying elegiac poetry for the last hour.

    Your inaccuracy did shock me to the Qore, though.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    bsjezz wrote: »
    you guys are still going?

    did you notice the ps3 is still getting a civ revolutions demo, free, this week? in the glorious opening week of qore?

    this is nothing to do with demos. the only thing it will affect are are maybe a few betas, or 'pre-release' early first party demos.

    ...

    They said that it'll have something to do with demos.

    They explicitly said that it'll have something to do with demos.

    Ok I understand almost the people assuming that the big demos coming to Qore meaning that they'll be timed, early-release demos.

    Saying that it has nothing to do with demos? That's not even extrapolating, that's completely contradicting the press release.

    okay then it's hardly at all about demos

    sheesh

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  • astroboyastroboy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dammit, the quote says "weak point," not core. Fuck, my witty retort fails.
    You've been playing too much Gradius. ;-)

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  • NiqleNiqle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This entire thread and the name Qore makes me want to go a week using q's instead of c's and k's.

    Niqle on
  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Niqle wrote: »
    This entire thread and the name Qore makes me want to go a week using q's instead of c's and k's.

    Qoqq.

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  • NiqleNiqle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    plufim wrote: »
    Niqle wrote: »
    This entire thread and the name Qore makes me want to go a week using q's instead of c's and k's.

    Qoqq.


    Indeed qind sir.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Queer

    Wait, dammit...

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  • DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    God dammit, how am I supposed to get any worq done while you guys are grinding on the meme machine like this?

    Dusda on
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  • 143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Bretzy wrote: »
    143999 wrote: »
    Bretzy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    We don't know if Qore's demos will ever show up on PSN.

    So that can't be used as an attack or defense at this point.

    I agree, but tell that to all the people who basing their attacks on that.

    And to the people who aren't? Or did you find any of those before you self-admittedly stopped reading and decided to jump in?

    Well smart ass, I have been catching up on reading since I posted my original. I put that preface in there because I had to comment on alot of the nonsense people spout for no other reason than to complain that Sony is doing anything (good or bad) just because they are Sony. Don't just assume that I wouldn't follow up and read a bit more to stay with the conversation.

    But to the people who aren't using that as their basis for attack, please enlighten me as to how this ruins your day? As I said before, Sony is not gimping their service nor are they demanding you pay for the content. It is merely additional content that you can purchase if you choose to. Honestly, I really couldn't care less if a demo is held back a bit longer to let people who pay play it first. Also, correct me if I am wrong here, but it doesn't state that all demos are going this route, just "big titles" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. That could be big first party, 3rd party, games they think are big (lair, anyone?) and anything in between. Point is, I don't know exactly what the service will provide, except for the press release showing all the bullet points, and neither do you. We should all wait and see what the service brings to the table before getting the pitchforks and torches is all I am saying.

    If you had actually done a significant amount of reading in this thread, you would see that A) I have already answered your question (albeit without it "ruining my day"), B) all of your alleged points have been addressed ad nauseum, and C) the assumption that a significant amount of responses to the idea fall in the realm of the torch-and-pitchfork knee-jerk reaction is a faulty one.

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Aoi wrote: »
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    Pretty sure Veronica Belmont is actually credible.

    Jessica Chobot had no technical knowledge what so ever. Veronica Belmont has moderate to moderately high technical know how.


    She was a producer and content person for CNET, also a host of a couple of their shows, and currently works for Revision 3 as the co-host with Patrick Norton (from ZD-TV/Tech TV) on their show Tekzilla. She's actually a pretty good host who can actually field tech related questions pretty well, and is a decent writer to boot.


    The Tech TV guys have vouched for her for years, bringing her on TWIT and Rev 3 shows long before she worked for Rev 3, and have had nothing but good to say about her. She's more than just some airhead who is famous online for being pretty. I don't know anything about her role with Qore, but I also like the fact that she stated she wouldn't have anything to do with console/gaming related stories over at Rev 3 from this point forward.

    Wait... because of the potential conflict of interest with her paid position at Sony? A female tech reporter who can write AND has scruples?

    I... I think I'm in love. <3

    Well, your opinion of her did a 180 degree turn around. Heh.

    Like it was said earlier, catch her on Tekzilla. It's pretty apparent she knows what she's doing when it comes to tech related content/equipment.

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  • SaddlerSaddler Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Niqle wrote: »
    This entire thread and the name Qore makes me want to go a week using q's instead of c's and k's.


    Man, I hope they get a demo for the latest Mortal Qombat.

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  • NiqleNiqle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Saddler wrote: »
    Niqle wrote: »
    This entire thread and the name Qore makes me want to go a week using q's instead of c's and k's.


    Man, I hope they get a demo for the latest Mortal Qombat.

    That'd be wiqqed awesome. Hopefully it'll qome sometime soon!

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dusda wrote: »
    God dammit, how am I supposed to get any worq done while you guys are grinding on the meme machine like this?

    Qoqsdiqslol?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I had something typed out, but I couldn't bring myself to say it. What the fuq is wrong with you guys?


    .... What have I done?! POR QUE!!?!?

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  • DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dusda wrote: »
    God dammit, how am I supposed to get any worq done while you guys are grinding on the meme machine like this?

    Qoqsdiqslol?

    It actually tooq me a minute to read that one.

    Oho, this is going to be a fun one.

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  • GunstarGunstar Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dusda wrote: »
    Dusda wrote: »
    God dammit, how am I supposed to get any worq done while you guys are grinding on the meme machine like this?

    Qoqsdiqslol?

    It actually tooq me a minute to read that one.

    Oho, this is going to be a fun one.

    no it isn't! this meme suqqs

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jesus christ.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jesus Qrist.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    TehSpeqtre wrote: »
    jesus Qrist.

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  • NiqleNiqle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    jesus Qrist.


    Win.

    Oh god, no Lewie's wins more.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Niqle wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    jesus Qrist.


    Win.

    Oh god, no Lewie's wins more.

    Well I can't out do them, but you can.

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  • NiqleNiqle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    A quadrillion quibbles assault my eyes! Most of this thread qontains quotability and quizzically quiets my objeqtions against the Qore. Thanqfully the arguments have quit, leaving a queer gap in the debate and a quotient that needs filling. It calls for quaqqery and the resolve not to quaver! Quickly now, lest I ask for quelling of the q aqtions at hand!

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
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  • NiqleNiqle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I love this thread.

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