So I just got home and started up Qore, was met with a lovely introduction by Veronica Bellmont (:winky:),
Guys, Veronica Belmont isn't even going to be naked. What's the point of paying to watch some bitch gawk on about bullshit nobody cares about if she isn't going to suck some dicks later on in the program?
Wait a minute, the demos are things that qore itself is funding that otherwise wouldn't occur?
All whiners just got nullified. Logic is neat.
That's one interpretation.
Another interpretation of the same thing is that Sony are offering financial incentives for developers to restrict access to demos.
I doubt that'll matter much. Developers and publishers will want their marketing (demos, trailers) to reach as many people as possible. The only demos I actually expect to see on Qore are for the big games that have already got a ton of hype behind them (like GT5, CoD5 or Resistance 2).
This thread has been pretty retarded btw. I loved how some people didn't think magazines had adverts... o_O
Wait a minute, the demos are things that qore itself is funding that otherwise wouldn't occur?
All whiners just got nullified. Logic is neat.
Haha.
Hahahaha.
Wait, you actually believe that?
Oh I think they'll keep whining. Being illogical is what people are all about.
They just don't have any justification anymore.
edit: I'm referring to what Threepio said about it. I believe threepio. You may not believe him, in which case don't talk to me, there's no point.
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RentI'm always rightFuckin' deal with itRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
I just want to point out:
Last-gen, development companies and publishing companies said they would have to start selling games for 60 bucks in the "next-gen" to cover increased development costs. I seem to remember huge shitstorms, loud cries of "I WILL NEVER BUY A 360 EVAR!!!!" even louder cries of "HALO 3 IS 60 BUCKS?!?!? HELL NO WE WONT GO!".
And then the systems launched.
Where did the complaints go?
Yeeeeeaaahhhh.
(Minor point: I agree with you guys, I do think it's bullshit to make people pay for demos. I do think Sony is being fucking retarded. And I do agree my arguement is flawed. My main point is, however, that there seems to be a culture of whinybitching about something you don't like, then, once it actually happens, being passive-agressively complacent about it.)
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
So I just got home and started up Qore, was met with a lovely introduction by Veronica Bellmont (:winky:),
Guys, Veronica Belmont isn't even going to be naked. What's the point of paying to watch some bitch gawk on about bullshit nobody cares about if she isn't going to suck some dicks later on in the program?
Hey now, be nice! I was a fan of hers when she was originally on Buzz Out Loud. It's the only reason why I'm remotely interested in Qore. I admit, I'd much rather have her than Major Nelson on his Major's Minute.
She's a better pick than Major Nelson, I'll give you that. :P
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I just want to point out:
Last-gen, development companies and publishing companies said they would have to start selling games for 60 bucks in the "next-gen" to cover increased development costs. I seem to remember huge shitstorms, loud cries of "I WILL NEVER BUY A 360 EVAR!!!!" even louder cries of "HALO 3 IS 60 BUCKS?!?!? HELL NO WE WONT GO!".
And then the systems launched.
Where did the complaints go?
Yeeeeeaaahhhh.
(Minor point: I agree with you guys, I do think it's bullshit to make people pay for demos. I do think Sony is being fucking retarded. And I do agree my arguement is flawed. My main point is, however, that there seems to be a culture of whinybitching about something you don't like, then, once it actually happens, being passive-agressively complacent about it.)
Well, lots of people complained about the Bad Company weapons, and they changed that...
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Wait a minute, the demos are things that qore itself is funding that otherwise wouldn't occur?
All whiners just got nullified. Logic is neat.
Haha.
Hahahaha.
Wait, you actually believe that?
Oh I think they'll keep whining. Being illogical is what people are all about.
They just don't have any justification anymore.
edit: I'm referring to what Threepio said about it. I believe threepio. You may not believe him, in which case don't talk to me, there's no point.
I have yet to see anyone point out what's illogical about my points or show that there is no justification for them. But hey, making false claims to the high ground is what people are all about.
I don't particularly disbelieve Threepio, anyway. It's entirely plausible someone at Sony told him all those things, and just making them up to support a Sony Uber Alles mentality in the current environment would be entirely too risky. It's the motivation of his sources which I question.
Anyways, I forgot to post my impressions. Qore issue one has SOCOM Confrontation, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Clank PSP, Afro Ninja, and Soul Calibur IV content, as well as a big trailer for The Incredible Hulk movie. The SOCOM content includes a video where developers talk about general aspects of the game, a clan features video, an exclusive theme, screenshots, and access to the beta. The Star Wars Force Unleashed videos were my favorite. They showed off a lot of gameplay and force powers, and another video was a battle with a rancor. Once again, there were also a lot of screenshots and concept art available for viewing, and a funny video about a young woman applying to be Darth Vader's secret apprentice.
The Afro Ninja and Soul Calibur IV content were just two videos with gameplay footage and a developer talking about the game. Clank was similar, not as much content as SOCOM or Star Wars, but I believe it had some screenshots and/or concept art tossed in as well. After that, the movie trailer and the the download page which included the SOCOM beta when it's available, the theme, and Calling All Cars if you're an annual subscriber. Advertisements were scarce and very short. I was able to skip the MGS4 one and the two or three others I came across only lasted about five seconds.
Overall, the Star Wars videos were the best, and SOCOM was interesting, but I'm a little disappointed there's no cover system in the game. They talk about it being the most tactical game, after all. It still looks fun, so I'll hold my opinions until I get to play the beta.
It was only the first issue of Qore, so hopefully future episodes will have more exciting content than a few videos. They have mentioned more is in store for Qore, including all kinds of mini-games. I think that would make it more appealing. The videos didn't really show anything new to me, although the Force Unleashed videos showing off the force powers were great - you can levitate someone and throw your saber at them, impaling them. Excited. I got a kick out of them not mentioning it's for the 360 at all when they listed the platforms it's going to be on.
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Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
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edited June 2008
So I bought the first ep of Qore because I thought I would get that 'Calling All Cars 'game with it and that Beta Invite for Socom. However the only thing I can get is that stupid single Socom theme download. On top of that there are advertisements in the fucking episode. I payed for advertisements, I am going to fucking get my money back once I find out who to call.
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
What free stuff on XBL?
Xbox LIVE Arcade
Full Games
Aegis Wing
Totemball (requires Vision Camera)
Game Content
Band of Bugs Map Pack 2
Worms - Music Pack 2
Worms - Space Landscape
Worms - Soundbank Pack 1
UNO - UNO 35th Anniversary Theme Deck
RETAIL GAMES
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None
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Bulletwitch - Mummy Costume
Bulletwitch - White Witch
Bulletwitch - Pixie Costume
Burnout Revenge - Alienware Car
Burnout Revenge - Dolby Car
Burnout Revenge - Monster Car
Burnout Revenge - Plantronics Car
Burnout Revenge - Spike TV Car
Burnout Revenge - Xbox Live Car
Burnout Revenge - Yellowcard Car
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Call of Duty 2 - Call of Duty 2: Bonus Map Pack
Call of Duty 3 - Call of Duty 3 Bonus Map “Champsâ€
Chromehounds - Assist Parts 01
Chromehounds - Color 02
Chromehounds - Heavy Arms 01
Chromehounds - Light Arms 02
Command and Conquer 3 - Ground Zero Map
Crackdown - Four-Play Pack
Crackdown - Free-For-All Pack
D
Dead Rising - Burgundy Wine Key
Dead Rising - Casual Key
Dead Rising - Coldhearted Snake Key
Dead Rising - Grandpa Key
Dead Rising - Man in Black Key
Dead Rising - Miami Nights Key
Dead Rising - Paparazzi Nights Key
Dead Rising - Round Shades Key
Dead Rising - Weekender Key
Dead Rising - Pure White Suit Key
Dead Rising - Stripe Key
Dead Rising - Accountant Key
F
F.E.A.R. - Control and Conquer All Map Pack
G
Gears of War - Gears of War Multiplayer Map Pack 1
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 - Throwback Pack
Godfather, The - MobFace Apparel Bundle
L
Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth II - Aragorn’s Journey - Map Pack 1
Lost Planet - Map Pack #1
Lost Planet - Map Pack #2
Lost Planet - Map Pack #3
Lumines Live! - Heavenly Star Skin
M
Madden NFL 07 - AFC East Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - AFC North Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - AFC South Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - AFC West Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC East Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC North Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC South Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC West Throwback Uniforms
MLB 2K7 - Olympic Stadium
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NBA Street Homecourt - Melo’s Cloverdale
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - ACC
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - Big 10, Pac 10, Notre Dame
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - Big 12, WAC
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - Big East, Conf. USA
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - SEC, Mtn. West
Need for Speed Carbon - Dump Truck
Need for Speed Carbon - Fire Truck
Need for Speed Carbon - Supreme Car Bundle
O
Outfit, The - Collateral Damage Map Pack
Outfit, The - Multiplayer Map: Arnhem Mayhem
Outpost Kaloki X - Bounty Hunter Scenario
Outpost Kaloki X - Fireworks Scenario
Outpost Kaloki X - The Swarm Scenario
P
Perfect Dark Zero - Map Pack Two
Prey - Becky
Prey - Elhuit
Prey - Elite
Prey - Gravity Labs
Prey - Hunter
Prey - Jen
Prey - Space Oddity
Prey - Topillogical
Prey - Tunnel Rat
PGR3 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
PGR3 - Cadillac V-Series Collection
PGR3 - RUF R.K. Spyder
S
Saints Row - Exclusive Unkut Pack
Saints Row - The Ho Ho Ho Pack
Samurai Warriors 2 - Command List
Samurai Warriors 2 - Support List
Splinter Cell: Double Agent New Free Content
T
Test Drive Unlimited - 1971 Dodge Challenger RT
Test Drive Unlimited - Cadillac CTS-V
Test Drive Unlimited - Chevrolet Corvette C1 1957
Test Drive Unlimited - Free Holden Efijy Concept
Test Drive Unlimited - Launch Pack
Test Drive Unlimited- Lexus Collection Volume 3
Test Drive Unlimited - Lexus IS 350
Test Drive Unlimited - Saturn Curve
Top Spin 2 - Top Spin 2 Downloadable Content 1
Top Spin 2 - Top Spin 2 Downloadable Content 2
X
XNA Creators Club - XNA Game Launcher
PICTURE PACKS
24 - Season 6 Picture Pack
Alien Honinid HD - Vehicle Picture Pack
Alpha Dog Picture Pack
Axe Picture Pack
Axe: Neutron Picture Pack
Blades of Glory - Blades of Glory Picture Pack
Borat DVD Picture Pack
Bringing it Home - Bringing it Home: X06 Picture Pack
Bringing it Home - X06: Battlestar Galactica Picture Pack
Bringing it Home - X06: Mass Effect Picture Pack 1
Burger King Picture Pack
Comic-Con 2007 Gamer Picture
Digital Entertainment - Mission: Impossible III Picture Pack
Disturbia Picture Pack
Doritos Unlock Xbox Picture Pack
E3 2006 - E3 06: Gold Member Picture Pack
E3 2006 - E3 06: Silver Member Picture Pack
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 1
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 2
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 3
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 4
E3 2007 Picture Pack
Entourage - ENTOURAGE Lifestyle Picture Pack
Family Guy Vol. 4 DVD Picture Pack
Grand Theft Auto IV Picture Pack 1
GR:AW 2 - GRAW 2 Live Weekend Picture Pack
Live Earth Picture Pack
Nacho Libre Picture Pack
NEXT Picture Pack
Ocean’s 13 Picture Pack
Pathfinder Picture Pack
Rush Hour 3 Picture Pack
Shark Week Picture Pack
Shooter Picture Pack
Smokin’ Aces Gamer Picture Pack
Sprite SubLYMONAL Picture Pack
T-Mobile Sidekick Picture Pack
The Outfit Picture Pack 2
The Reaping Picture Pack
Verizon Action Hero Picture Pack
Viva Piñata! Maximum Candiosity Gamer Picture
DASHBOARDS
24 - Season 6 Theme
Alpha Dog Theme
Axe Theme
Axe: Neutron Theme
Darkness Theme
Blades of Glory - Blades of Glory Theme
Borat Theme Pack
Bringing it Home: Battlestar Galactica Theme
Burger King Theme
Digital Entertainment - Mission: Impossible III Theme
Disturbia Theme
Doritos Unlock Xbox Theme
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 1
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 2
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 3
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 4
E3 2007 Theme
Entourage - ENTOURAGE Lifestyle Theme
Family Guy Vol. 4 DVD Theme
Gears of War - Gears of War Multiplayer Map Pack 1 Theme
Grand Theft Auto IV Theme 1
Live Earth Theme
Nacho Libre Theme
NCAA March Madness 07 - Adam Morrison Theme
NEXT Theme
Ocean’s 13 Theme
Old Spice Experience Challenge Theme
Pathfinder Theme
Perfect Dark Zero - Rare Theme
Rush Hour 3 Theme
Shark Week Theme
Shooter Theme
Smokin’ Aces Theme
Sprite SubLYMONal Theme
T-Mobile Sidekick Theme
The Godfather - Happy Holiday Theme
The Reaping Theme
Verizon Action Hero Theme
So I bought the first ep of Qore because I thought I would get that 'Calling All Cars 'game with it and that Beta Invite for Socom. However the only thing I can get is that stupid single Socom theme download. On top of that there are advertisements in the fucking episode. I payed for advertisements, I am going to fucking get my money back once I find out who to call.
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
What free stuff on XBL?
See Scarab's list. Also, things like the various Halo map packs are often pay in the beginning, but become free after a while. I believe the Heroic Map Pack is now free.
Contrary to popular belief (or what Sony fanboys will tell you), there is a lot to Xbox LIVE that doesn't require gold subscription. I've actually been told by crazy Sony fanboys that insist that Achievements are only available if you pay for them, or that you can't browse the Marketplace or buy things, which is just untrue.
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
What free stuff on XBL?
See Scarab's list. Also, things like the various Halo map packs are often pay in the beginning, but become free after a while. I believe the Heroic Map Pack is now free.
Contrary to popular belief (or what Sony fanboys will tell you), there is a lot to Xbox LIVE that doesn't require gold subscription. I've actually been told by crazy Sony fanboys that insist that Achievements are only available if you pay for them, or that you can't browse the Marketplace or buy things, which is just untrue.
I could swear someone recently told me that when they tried to cancel their Live sub, the customer service rep lied to him and tried to tell him that he'd lose all his achievements if he cancelled.
Live is pretty great, and fairly cheap all things considered, but a lot of the "free" stuff is just advertising (and oddly, it's only movie/tv show themes/pictures that tend to be free. Everything game-related tends to cost money), or is "DLC" that's already on the disc (like the Dead Rising content, Bullet Witch stuff, etc)
Thanks ML I sincerely hope we see some great content out of their efforts; it'll be twice as rewarding if that content does eventually move on to non-subscribers as well - netting out to a very positive effect for everyone who owns a PS3.
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
What free stuff on XBL?
See Scarab's list. Also, things like the various Halo map packs are often pay in the beginning, but become free after a while. I believe the Heroic Map Pack is now free.
Contrary to popular belief (or what Sony fanboys will tell you), there is a lot to Xbox LIVE that doesn't require gold subscription. I've actually been told by crazy Sony fanboys that insist that Achievements are only available if you pay for them, or that you can't browse the Marketplace or buy things, which is just untrue.
That's not unique to people not liking the Xbox. I've had a 360 owner tell me that you have to pay in order to download demos and buy downloadable games, apparently not realising that you can make a Silver account for free.
SCEA's handling of the Playstation Store has been laughably inept at best from day one, so the announcement of something as hideously lame as this doesn't shock me much. They just don't have a fucking clue what the hell they're doing. HALP HOW I RUN ONLINE STORE?
That's not unique to people not liking the Xbox. I've had a 360 owner tell me that you have to pay in order to download demos and buy downloadable games, apparently not realising that you can make a Silver account for free.
Random tangent, it's "fun" that you have to lie about your place of residence if you want to be able to save the game in your legally bought copy of Viva Pinata PC.
I wonder if the stores selling 360s here mention the fact that there's no Live service for this country.
SCEA's handling of the Playstation Store has been laughably inept at best from day one, so the announcement of something as hideously lame as this doesn't shock me much. They just don't have a fucking clue what the hell they're doing. HALP HOW I RUN ONLINE STORE?
what's your argument for that? i'm just curious. i've had a great experience with the store. i download demos pretty much every week, i'm constantly buying shit (aww yeah pixeljunk), the downloads are speedy (as long as you don't rush to grab everything as soon as the thursday update), it uses real money, it looks good, especially now, streaming trailer downloads, unrestricted regional stores, etc etc etc
i don't see how 'laughably inept at best' really equates
edit: ever since naughty dog fixed the american uncharted demo for PAL users who didn't really have any automatic entitlement to it anyway, i've had a lot of faith that the people behind the store are working really hard to make it a great experience. and it has been great for me
I actually enjoyed Qore. The videos were interesting, with gameplay I hadn't seen before. And I always love hearing devs talk about games. Ammount of time watching vs. cost = win for me.
I'm fairly certain you can; I believe the only timed freebies were Undertow from the Great Live Outage of Christmas '07, and when they were briefly offering UNO and Carcassone for free.
Also, I doubt it's still available but the only free Gamerpic content that I've actually kept besides the Yaris stuff was the free Shark Week pics—and that's because hammerhead sharks are timeless.
Wait a minute, the demos are things that qore itself is funding that otherwise wouldn't occur?
All whiners just got nullified. Logic is neat.
That's one interpretation.
Another interpretation of the same thing is that Sony are offering financial incentives for developers to restrict access to demos.
I doubt that'll matter much. Developers and publishers will want their marketing (demos, trailers) to reach as many people as possible. The only demos I actually expect to see on Qore are for the big games that have already got a ton of hype behind them (like GT5, CoD5 or Resistance 2).
This thread has been pretty retarded btw. I loved how some people didn't think magazines had adverts... o_O
Bringing this back up. You know what's nice about magazine adverts?
Go on, I'll let you guess.
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WulfDisciple of TzeentchThe Void... (New Jersey)Registered Userregular
edited June 2008
Am I the only one who is still mad that we pay for TV and still get ads? We were promised Ad free television for our month fee damnit!
Thus I could never support a service like this that has ads introduced along with a monthly fee at the offset. You put ads in, give us free product. You want us to pay for product, then no fucking adverts kthks!
And paying for your TV subscription pays for the adverts you see displayed there, enabling product makers to present their creations for you.
All whiners just got nullified. Logic is neat.
This example, as well as advertisements in magazines, are relevant but may not be the best point. After all, print mags are having trouble surviving and networks are freaking out about people downloading shows via Bittorrent or using Tivos/DVRs to skip past ads. These are the old ways of monetization, when the Internet isn't what it is today.
It seems like today's mantra is more about getting as many eyeballs on your advertising/marketing and hoping more people buy the end-product. After all, the very videos and demos that are "exclusive" to Qore will probably end up on YouTube and other sites very soon, or perhaps legitimately show up on other game sites for free.
While I think it's interesting that Sony's chosen this way to try to monetize users, ultimately I don't think it's going to succeed because times have changed.
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I doubt that'll matter much. Developers and publishers will want their marketing (demos, trailers) to reach as many people as possible. The only demos I actually expect to see on Qore are for the big games that have already got a ton of hype behind them (like GT5, CoD5 or Resistance 2).
This thread has been pretty retarded btw. I loved how some people didn't think magazines had adverts... o_O
Haha.
Hahahaha.
Wait, you actually believe that?
Oh I think they'll keep whining. Being illogical is what people are all about.
They just don't have any justification anymore.
edit: I'm referring to what Threepio said about it. I believe threepio. You may not believe him, in which case don't talk to me, there's no point.
Last-gen, development companies and publishing companies said they would have to start selling games for 60 bucks in the "next-gen" to cover increased development costs. I seem to remember huge shitstorms, loud cries of "I WILL NEVER BUY A 360 EVAR!!!!" even louder cries of "HALO 3 IS 60 BUCKS?!?!? HELL NO WE WONT GO!".
And then the systems launched.
Where did the complaints go?
Yeeeeeaaahhhh.
(Minor point: I agree with you guys, I do think it's bullshit to make people pay for demos. I do think Sony is being fucking retarded. And I do agree my arguement is flawed. My main point is, however, that there seems to be a culture of whinybitching about something you don't like, then, once it actually happens, being passive-agressively complacent about it.)
It's optimism, but I'd rather be glass-half-full on this one. Being negative's easy - seeing the good things and letting the cynicism go? A wee bit tougher, but worth it.
The funny thing is that if it is true that Sony is essentially funding demos through Qore, what's stopping 3rd party publishers from then offering these same demos on PC, Steam, Xbox LIVE, magazine pack-ins, etc.? I think that's actually a good thing, even if you're a gamer that never uses Qore once.
Essentially, Qore subscribers would be subsidizing demos for the good of the community. Cool!
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She's a better pick than Major Nelson, I'll give you that. :P
Well, lots of people complained about the Bad Company weapons, and they changed that...
I have yet to see anyone point out what's illogical about my points or show that there is no justification for them. But hey, making false claims to the high ground is what people are all about.
I don't particularly disbelieve Threepio, anyway. It's entirely plausible someone at Sony told him all those things, and just making them up to support a Sony Uber Alles mentality in the current environment would be entirely too risky. It's the motivation of his sources which I question.
The Afro Ninja and Soul Calibur IV content were just two videos with gameplay footage and a developer talking about the game. Clank was similar, not as much content as SOCOM or Star Wars, but I believe it had some screenshots and/or concept art tossed in as well. After that, the movie trailer and the the download page which included the SOCOM beta when it's available, the theme, and Calling All Cars if you're an annual subscriber. Advertisements were scarce and very short. I was able to skip the MGS4 one and the two or three others I came across only lasted about five seconds.
Overall, the Star Wars videos were the best, and SOCOM was interesting, but I'm a little disappointed there's no cover system in the game. They talk about it being the most tactical game, after all. It still looks fun, so I'll hold my opinions until I get to play the beta.
It was only the first issue of Qore, so hopefully future episodes will have more exciting content than a few videos. They have mentioned more is in store for Qore, including all kinds of mini-games. I think that would make it more appealing. The videos didn't really show anything new to me, although the Force Unleashed videos showing off the force powers were great - you can levitate someone and throw your saber at them, impaling them. Excited. I got a kick out of them not mentioning it's for the 360 at all when they listed the platforms it's going to be on.
Kinda like XBL Gold members subsidize all the free stuff on XBL.
What free stuff on XBL?
Demos, videos, and the like.
Full Games
Aegis Wing
Totemball (requires Vision Camera)
Game Content
Band of Bugs Map Pack 2
Worms - Music Pack 2
Worms - Space Landscape
Worms - Soundbank Pack 1
UNO - UNO 35th Anniversary Theme Deck
RETAIL GAMES
A
None
B
Bulletwitch - Mummy Costume
Bulletwitch - White Witch
Bulletwitch - Pixie Costume
Burnout Revenge - Alienware Car
Burnout Revenge - Dolby Car
Burnout Revenge - Monster Car
Burnout Revenge - Plantronics Car
Burnout Revenge - Spike TV Car
Burnout Revenge - Xbox Live Car
Burnout Revenge - Yellowcard Car
C
Call of Duty 2 - Call of Duty 2: Bonus Map Pack
Call of Duty 3 - Call of Duty 3 Bonus Map “Champsâ€
Chromehounds - Assist Parts 01
Chromehounds - Color 02
Chromehounds - Heavy Arms 01
Chromehounds - Light Arms 02
Command and Conquer 3 - Ground Zero Map
Crackdown - Four-Play Pack
Crackdown - Free-For-All Pack
D
Dead Rising - Burgundy Wine Key
Dead Rising - Casual Key
Dead Rising - Coldhearted Snake Key
Dead Rising - Grandpa Key
Dead Rising - Man in Black Key
Dead Rising - Miami Nights Key
Dead Rising - Paparazzi Nights Key
Dead Rising - Round Shades Key
Dead Rising - Weekender Key
Dead Rising - Pure White Suit Key
Dead Rising - Stripe Key
Dead Rising - Accountant Key
F
F.E.A.R. - Control and Conquer All Map Pack
G
Gears of War - Gears of War Multiplayer Map Pack 1
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 - Throwback Pack
Godfather, The - MobFace Apparel Bundle
K
Kameo - Kameo Co-Op Pack
Kameo - Kameo Design-a-Skin Pack
L
Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth II - Aragorn’s Journey - Map Pack 1
Lost Planet - Map Pack #1
Lost Planet - Map Pack #2
Lost Planet - Map Pack #3
Lumines Live! - Heavenly Star Skin
M
Madden NFL 07 - AFC East Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - AFC North Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - AFC South Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - AFC West Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC East Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC North Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC South Throwback Uniforms
Madden NFL 07 - NFC West Throwback Uniforms
MLB 2K7 - Olympic Stadium
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NBA Street Homecourt - Melo’s Cloverdale
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - ACC
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - Big 10, Pac 10, Notre Dame
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - Big 12, WAC
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - Big East, Conf. USA
NCAA Football 07 - Alt Uniforms - SEC, Mtn. West
Need for Speed Carbon - Dump Truck
Need for Speed Carbon - Fire Truck
Need for Speed Carbon - Supreme Car Bundle
O
Outfit, The - Collateral Damage Map Pack
Outfit, The - Multiplayer Map: Arnhem Mayhem
Outpost Kaloki X - Bounty Hunter Scenario
Outpost Kaloki X - Fireworks Scenario
Outpost Kaloki X - The Swarm Scenario
P
Perfect Dark Zero - Map Pack Two
Prey - Becky
Prey - Elhuit
Prey - Elite
Prey - Gravity Labs
Prey - Hunter
Prey - Jen
Prey - Space Oddity
Prey - Topillogical
Prey - Tunnel Rat
PGR3 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
PGR3 - Cadillac V-Series Collection
PGR3 - RUF R.K. Spyder
R
Rainbow Six Vegas - Red Pack
Rainbow Six Vegas - Black Pack
Ridge Racer 6 - BARADUKE FIERA
Ridge Racer 6 - DRAGONSABER STARNOSE
Ridge Racer 6 - ELECTROSPHERE BAYONET
Ridge Racer 6 - KANTARIS PROPHETIE
Ridge Racer 6 - LILIK WILD GANG
Ridge Racer 6 - neucom ABILLE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key07 CL2 XEVIOUS FATALITA
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key08 CL2 SOLVALOU BISONTE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key09 CL2 POPKA MELTFIRE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key10 CL2 PAC-MAN EO
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key11 CL2 FINALLAP ESPERANZA
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key12 CL2 NENEKO RAGGIO
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key13 CL2 SHOOTAWAY HIJACK
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key14 CL3 HYPER KNIGHT FIERA
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key15 CL3 TOYPOP ABEILLE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key16 CL3 KLONOA PROPHETIE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key17 CL3 DRAGONSABER WILD GANG
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key18 CL3 SHOOTAWAY BAYONET
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key19 CL3 DRAGONSPIRIT STARNOSE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key20 CL4 NightRaven FATALITA
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key21 CL4 BARADUKE BISONTE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key22 CL4 DRAGONSPIRIT MELTFIRE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key23 CL4 XIAOYU EO
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key24 CL4 MITSURUGI ESPERANZA
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key25 CL4 MAPPY RAGGIO
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key26 CL4 WARPMAN HIJACK
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key27 SPC MITSURUGI ANGELUS
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key28 SPC GALAGA CRINALE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key29 SPC ANDORGENESIS ULTRANOVA
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key30 SPC PAC-MAN TERRAJIN
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key31 SPC neucom PRONZIONE
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key32 SPC ANDORGENESIS 490B
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key33 SPC ZASALAMEL G00
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key34 SPC DANVER BASS CRUISER
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key35 SPC NAMCO PAC-MAN
Ridge Racer 6 - Unlock Key36 SPC MONSTROUS
S
Saints Row - Exclusive Unkut Pack
Saints Row - The Ho Ho Ho Pack
Samurai Warriors 2 - Command List
Samurai Warriors 2 - Support List
Splinter Cell: Double Agent New Free Content
T
Test Drive Unlimited - 1971 Dodge Challenger RT
Test Drive Unlimited - Cadillac CTS-V
Test Drive Unlimited - Chevrolet Corvette C1 1957
Test Drive Unlimited - Free Holden Efijy Concept
Test Drive Unlimited - Launch Pack
Test Drive Unlimited- Lexus Collection Volume 3
Test Drive Unlimited - Lexus IS 350
Test Drive Unlimited - Saturn Curve
Top Spin 2 - Top Spin 2 Downloadable Content 1
Top Spin 2 - Top Spin 2 Downloadable Content 2
X
XNA Creators Club - XNA Game Launcher
PICTURE PACKS
24 - Season 6 Picture Pack
Alien Honinid HD - Vehicle Picture Pack
Alpha Dog Picture Pack
Axe Picture Pack
Axe: Neutron Picture Pack
Blades of Glory - Blades of Glory Picture Pack
Borat DVD Picture Pack
Bringing it Home - Bringing it Home: X06 Picture Pack
Bringing it Home - X06: Battlestar Galactica Picture Pack
Bringing it Home - X06: Mass Effect Picture Pack 1
Burger King Picture Pack
Comic-Con 2007 Gamer Picture
Digital Entertainment - Mission: Impossible III Picture Pack
Disturbia Picture Pack
Doritos Unlock Xbox Picture Pack
E3 2006 - E3 06: Gold Member Picture Pack
E3 2006 - E3 06: Silver Member Picture Pack
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 1
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 2
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 3
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Picture Pack 4
E3 2007 Picture Pack
Entourage - ENTOURAGE Lifestyle Picture Pack
Family Guy Vol. 4 DVD Picture Pack
Grand Theft Auto IV Picture Pack 1
GR:AW 2 - GRAW 2 Live Weekend Picture Pack
Live Earth Picture Pack
Nacho Libre Picture Pack
NEXT Picture Pack
Ocean’s 13 Picture Pack
Pathfinder Picture Pack
Rush Hour 3 Picture Pack
Shark Week Picture Pack
Shooter Picture Pack
Smokin’ Aces Gamer Picture Pack
Sprite SubLYMONAL Picture Pack
T-Mobile Sidekick Picture Pack
The Outfit Picture Pack 2
The Reaping Picture Pack
Verizon Action Hero Picture Pack
Viva Piñata! Maximum Candiosity Gamer Picture
DASHBOARDS
24 - Season 6 Theme
Alpha Dog Theme
Axe Theme
Axe: Neutron Theme
Darkness Theme
Blades of Glory - Blades of Glory Theme
Borat Theme Pack
Bringing it Home: Battlestar Galactica Theme
Burger King Theme
Digital Entertainment - Mission: Impossible III Theme
Disturbia Theme
Doritos Unlock Xbox Theme
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 1
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 2
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 3
E3 2006 - E3 06: X-Men: The Last Stand Theme 4
E3 2007 Theme
Entourage - ENTOURAGE Lifestyle Theme
Family Guy Vol. 4 DVD Theme
Gears of War - Gears of War Multiplayer Map Pack 1 Theme
Grand Theft Auto IV Theme 1
Live Earth Theme
Nacho Libre Theme
NCAA March Madness 07 - Adam Morrison Theme
NEXT Theme
Ocean’s 13 Theme
Old Spice Experience Challenge Theme
Pathfinder Theme
Perfect Dark Zero - Rare Theme
Rush Hour 3 Theme
Shark Week Theme
Shooter Theme
Smokin’ Aces Theme
Sprite SubLYMONal Theme
T-Mobile Sidekick Theme
The Godfather - Happy Holiday Theme
The Reaping Theme
Verizon Action Hero Theme
Your cable company?
See Scarab's list. Also, things like the various Halo map packs are often pay in the beginning, but become free after a while. I believe the Heroic Map Pack is now free.
Contrary to popular belief (or what Sony fanboys will tell you), there is a lot to Xbox LIVE that doesn't require gold subscription. I've actually been told by crazy Sony fanboys that insist that Achievements are only available if you pay for them, or that you can't browse the Marketplace or buy things, which is just untrue.
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I could swear someone recently told me that when they tried to cancel their Live sub, the customer service rep lied to him and tried to tell him that he'd lose all his achievements if he cancelled.
Live is pretty great, and fairly cheap all things considered, but a lot of the "free" stuff is just advertising (and oddly, it's only movie/tv show themes/pictures that tend to be free. Everything game-related tends to cost money), or is "DLC" that's already on the disc (like the Dead Rising content, Bullet Witch stuff, etc)
True, especially if you're not big on multiplayer.
That's not unique to people not liking the Xbox. I've had a 360 owner tell me that you have to pay in order to download demos and buy downloadable games, apparently not realising that you can make a Silver account for free.
I wonder if the stores selling 360s here mention the fact that there's no Live service for this country.
what's your argument for that? i'm just curious. i've had a great experience with the store. i download demos pretty much every week, i'm constantly buying shit (aww yeah pixeljunk), the downloads are speedy (as long as you don't rush to grab everything as soon as the thursday update), it uses real money, it looks good, especially now, streaming trailer downloads, unrestricted regional stores, etc etc etc
i don't see how 'laughably inept at best' really equates
edit: ever since naughty dog fixed the american uncharted demo for PAL users who didn't really have any automatic entitlement to it anyway, i've had a lot of faith that the people behind the store are working really hard to make it a great experience. and it has been great for me
edit:
Scarab left out Yaris.
edit2: and bioshock content, and others.
He did that for very good reason! (Though my wife loves the Yaris owl.)
I'm fairly certain you can; I believe the only timed freebies were Undertow from the Great Live Outage of Christmas '07, and when they were briefly offering UNO and Carcassone for free.
Also, I doubt it's still available but the only free Gamerpic content that I've actually kept besides the Yaris stuff was the free Shark Week pics—and that's because hammerhead sharks are timeless.
LOL sony..
Bringing this back up. You know what's nice about magazine adverts?
Go on, I'll let you guess.
Thus I could never support a service like this that has ads introduced along with a monthly fee at the offset. You put ads in, give us free product. You want us to pay for product, then no fucking adverts kthks!
All whiners just got nullified. Logic is neat.
I'd give your soul for my own demon
Not really though.
This example, as well as advertisements in magazines, are relevant but may not be the best point. After all, print mags are having trouble surviving and networks are freaking out about people downloading shows via Bittorrent or using Tivos/DVRs to skip past ads. These are the old ways of monetization, when the Internet isn't what it is today.
It seems like today's mantra is more about getting as many eyeballs on your advertising/marketing and hoping more people buy the end-product. After all, the very videos and demos that are "exclusive" to Qore will probably end up on YouTube and other sites very soon, or perhaps legitimately show up on other game sites for free.
While I think it's interesting that Sony's chosen this way to try to monetize users, ultimately I don't think it's going to succeed because times have changed.
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