Are the timed exclusive demos going to come out in Europe before they come out for free in the USA?
Considering we don't know if they're timed exclusive yet that one probably won't be answered 'till later.
They really should tell us this stuff before the magazine is released this thursday.
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TheMadjaiSir Madjai of SanSanMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
Mayhaps this has been covered, but what is the uproar about here?
By my take on this, it's just OPM basically, with a demo disc. Except now, it's digital, and cheaper. Oh, and with much less lead time. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten my latest GI only to read "breaking news" about something I learned on Kotaku or joystiq two weeks before.
If you don't want to buy Qore, don't buy it. I don't see anyone saying that the PSN demos that exist today will not continue to exist outside of Qore... do I?
Am I drinking the Kool-aid, or is everyone overreacting just a leetle bit?
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Mayhaps this has been covered, but what is the uproar about here?
By my take on this, it's just OPM basically, with a demo disc. Except now, it's digital, and cheaper. Oh, and with much less lead time. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten my latest GI only to read "breaking news" about something I learned on Kotaku or joystiq two weeks before.
If you don't want to buy Qore, don't buy it. I don't see anyone saying that the PSN demos that exist today will not continue to exist outside of Qore... do I?
Am I drinking the Kool-aid, or is everyone overreacting just a leetle bit?
Existing demos? Probably won't change.
Future demos? Probably will be going to Qore ahead/instead of PSN.
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Clint EastwoodMy baby's in there someplaceShe crawled right inRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
Just saying, it would be really easy to change the
If you don't want to buy Qore, don't buy it. I don't see anyone saying that the PSN demos that exist today will not continue to exist outside of Qore... do I?
This seems to be the million dollar question. If there are demos that would otherwise be free pinned to this, it's a screwjob plain and simple. If it's timed exclusivity (probably most likely, but who knows) it's annoying for PS3 owners but hardly the end of the world.
Is Veronica Belmont any good? Also, will this magazine have any reviews? I really can't imagine any gaming magazines without reviews.
I heard Haze is gettin a 9/10.
And Lair is a 9.5/10
Super Mario Galaxy is a 1/10
I didn't know you guys read my blog!
Current mood: *flattered*
Listening to: Heavenly Sword Soundtrack
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Clint EastwoodMy baby's in there someplaceShe crawled right inRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
whoops, hit enter. Probably the worst Totp ever.
I was going to say it would be pretty easy to come up with some derogatory names for this service, like "Queer" or something. I wonder if GameFAQs has done so already?
Mayhaps this has been covered, but what is the uproar about here?
By my take on this, it's just OPM basically, with a demo disc. Except now, it's digital, and cheaper. Oh, and with much less lead time. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten my latest GI only to read "breaking news" about something I learned on Kotaku or joystiq two weeks before.
If you don't want to buy Qore, don't buy it. I don't see anyone saying that the PSN demos that exist today will not continue to exist outside of Qore... do I?
Am I drinking the Kool-aid, or is everyone overreacting just a leetle bit?
Existing demos? Probably won't change.
Future demos? Probably will be going to Qore ahead/instead of PSN.
Future demos will be on both, with some exclusives being on Qore. At least that's the impression they give. More likely than not, they will be timed demos anyways. It really isn't a whole lot different from exclusive demos from xbox magazine, except the magazine is $5 cheaper and digital.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Mayhaps this has been covered, but what is the uproar about here?
By my take on this, it's just OPM basically, with a demo disc. Except now, it's digital, and cheaper. Oh, and with much less lead time. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten my latest GI only to read "breaking news" about something I learned on Kotaku or joystiq two weeks before.
If you don't want to buy Qore, don't buy it. I don't see anyone saying that the PSN demos that exist today will not continue to exist outside of Qore... do I?
Am I drinking the Kool-aid, or is everyone overreacting just a leetle bit?
Existing demos? Probably won't change.
Future demos? Probably will be going to Qore ahead/instead of PSN.
Anyone know enough about what it costs publishers to put demos on PSN? Will the publisher see anything of the 3$ a (Stupid name) issue costs?
What incentive will publishers have for bringing demos to fewer potential customers?
but between paying for online play and getting free demos
or paying for demos and getting free online play
Well.
On the flipside, this won't be for every demo, just "BIG GAMES." Which usually don't have demos anyway, because they're big games. GTA4 didn't have a demo, MGS4 doesn't have a demo (just a very annoying beta).
Would Uncharted still have had a free demo? Probably, because they want it to sell. Would Final Fantasy 13 have a free demo? Probably not. But might have a paid demo.
'Qore'...Seriously? Who the hell thinks this shit up?
Sounds pretty stupid to me though. I think the LOL Sony factor is enabled by the following points:
-unskipable ads... for something you pay for...I had IGN Insider a while back (sorry) and when they added
unskipable ads to video's I Kept my money.
-Exclusive Demos... It's like paying for a game twice... kinda... They are just shifting already free content to
a pay service
-Sony making a huge deal about having a free service then pulling a stunt like this.
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'Qore'...Seriously? Who the hell thinks this shit up?
Sounds pretty stupid to me though. I think the LOL Sony factor is enabled by the following points:
-unskipable ads... for something you pay for...I had IGN Insider a while back (sorry) and when they added
unskipable ads to video's I Kept my money.
-Exclusive Demos... It's like paying for a game twice... kinda... They are just shifting already free content to
a pay service
-Sony making a huge deal about having a free service then pulling a stunt like this.
It's $3 a month, ads can be skipped after 5 seconds, and tons of other services do exclusives like xbox magazine and fileplanet {which are both more expensive than Qore}.
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143999Tellin' yanot askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered Userregular
'Qore'...Seriously? Who the hell thinks this shit up?
Sounds pretty stupid to me though. I think the LOL Sony factor is enabled by the following points:
-unskipable ads... for something you pay for...I had IGN Insider a while back (sorry) and when they added
unskipable ads to video's I Kept my money.
-Exclusive Demos... It's like paying for a game twice... kinda... They are just shifting already free content to
a pay service
-Sony making a huge deal about having a free service then pulling a stunt like this.
It's $3 a month, ads can be skipped after 5 seconds, and tons of other services do exclusives like xbox magazine and fileplanet {which are both more expensive than Qore}.
None of which are any better than rationalizations for dumping the company's party line in favor of an unpopular business model.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
i wonder why these companies dont understand that no one in any generation under gen x wants to watch any commercial or ad... and that any sort usually turns us off to whatever is being advertised
not that i have eaten at burger king in years, but still
That's not totally true I saw the Carl's Jr. van in Burnout Revenge and I was all like 'goddamn I gotta get me some Carl's Jr' and then I did.
'Qore'...Seriously? Who the hell thinks this shit up?
Sounds pretty stupid to me though. I think the LOL Sony factor is enabled by the following points:
-unskipable ads... for something you pay for...I had IGN Insider a while back (sorry) and when they added
unskipable ads to video's I Kept my money.
-Exclusive Demos... It's like paying for a game twice... kinda... They are just shifting already free content to
a pay service
-Sony making a huge deal about having a free service then pulling a stunt like this.
It's $3 a month, ads can be skipped after 5 seconds, and tons of other services do exclusives like xbox magazine and fileplanet {which are both more expensive than Qore}.
None of which are any better than rationalizations for dumping the company's party line in favor of an unpopular business model.
Well yeah. I would rather have free stuff than pay for it. But when you compare it to similar businesses that have been doing it for years, it isn't bad at all.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
have you guys even seen how this qore thing works because it's not really about demos
edit: i actually think it's a good idea, even if sony did misplace a few words in announcing it. hd trailers, interviews etc in a neat package with interactive add-ons. it's something new and any vitriol against it is just maliciousness for the sake of it. we're not going to lose free demos, there are too many of them and developers like them too much these days to fit into this comprehensive, polished product
i'd imagine maybe a handful of sony first party titles might get an early demo release on qore but other than that it'll be business as usual.
have you guys even seen how this qore thing works because it's not really about demos
You are right. It is also about betas.
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143999Tellin' yanot askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
You know what would be a better idea than this?
Remember when my grandmother got me a subscription to Nintendo Power and it had an entire Dragon Warrior in it? You don't, but I assure you it happened. They were all like, "Here you go, son, welcome to JRPGs. Don't listen to Yahtzee - that'll make sense later." Then they flew away on their magical rainbow unicorn, leaving me with an entire game and 12 months of Howard and Nester.
Basically, that.
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pyromaniac221this just might bean interestin YTRegistered Userregular
edited June 2008
Prelude to it becoming a service like Xbox Live. You WILL end up paying for PSN, because without money, it simply can't keep up with Live. You can boast about free online service all you want, but if they don't get money for it, they can't afford to keep maintaining and updating it.
There have been a couple of "free game" promotion with subscriptions in the UK recently too, Metroid Prime 3 and Alone in the Dark of the top of my head, although, they sold out pretty quickly.
i wonder why these companies dont understand that no one in any generation under gen x wants to watch any commercial or ad... and that any sort usually turns us off to whatever is being advertised
not that i have eaten at burger king in years, but still
That's not totally true I saw the Carl's Jr. van in Burnout Revenge and I was all like 'goddamn I gotta get me some Carl's Jr' and then I did.
Oh shit. Too bad there aren't any Carl's Jr. around here. Just talking about it makes me jones for some.
have you guys even seen how this qore thing works because it's not really about demos
You are right. It is also about betas.
where did the arrogant idea that everyone's entitled to beta access cme from anyway? it seems to be only recent, this generation certainly. a beta is a production phase that should be rolled out however the developers need it to, not an assumed right of every player. an inclusion in a $3 magazine is a fine option for any team that wants to filter out the chaff of an open beta.
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143999Tellin' yanot askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered Userregular
'Qore'...Seriously? Who the hell thinks this shit up?
Sounds pretty stupid to me though. I think the LOL Sony factor is enabled by the following points:
-unskipable ads... for something you pay for...I had IGN Insider a while back (sorry) and when they added
unskipable ads to video's I Kept my money.
-Exclusive Demos... It's like paying for a game twice... kinda... They are just shifting already free content to
a pay service
-Sony making a huge deal about having a free service then pulling a stunt like this.
It's $3 a month, ads can be skipped after 5 seconds, and tons of other services do exclusives like xbox magazine and fileplanet {which are both more expensive than Qore}.
None of which are any better than rationalizations for dumping the company's party line in favor of an unpopular business model.
Well yeah. I would rather have free stuff than pay for it. But when you compare it to similar businesses that have been doing it for years, it isn't bad at all.
Any business decision which requires a comparison to competing services to act as a counterweight for its own lack of merit is a problematic one.
have you guys even seen how this qore thing works because it's not really about demos
You are right. It is also about betas.
where did the arrogant idea that everyone's entitled to beta access cme from anyway? it seems to be only recent, this generation certainly. a beta is a production phase that should be rolled out however the developers need it to, not an assumed right of every player. an inclusion in a $3 magazine is a fine option for any team that wants to filter out the chaff of an open beta.
An open beta is just an advertisement that also works as a stress test.
They should incorporate Nintendo's system of downloading demos, beta, and other media.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Prelude to it becoming a service like Xbox Live. You WILL end up paying for PSN, because without money, it simply can't keep up with Live. You can boast about free online service all you want, but if they don't get money for it, they can't afford to keep maintaining and updating it.
If they had started under this premise, or not made claims counter to this premise, the reception to the Qore announcement would not be nearly so negative here.
Prelude to it becoming a service like Xbox Live. You WILL end up paying for PSN, because without money, it simply can't keep up with Live. You can boast about free online service all you want, but if they don't get money for it, they can't afford to keep maintaining and updating it.
it has a pretty steady source of money from psn purchases
They should incorporate Nintendo's system of downloading demos, beta, and other media.
Would solve a lot of problems, eh?
It would. Everything fun or entertaining is just an ad anyways.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Prelude to it becoming a service like Xbox Live. You WILL end up paying for PSN, because without money, it simply can't keep up with Live. You can boast about free online service all you want, but if they don't get money for it, they can't afford to keep maintaining and updating it.
If they had started under this premise, or not made claims counter to this premise, the reception to the Qore announcement would not be nearly so negative here.
you don't understand, man. qore is going to be a front page service for maybe two weeks and after that you'll have to search through the store to get to it. there's no way they can ever implant it on top of the current psn, it's a different system and it's for niche users
it will probably fail miserably. in a year you'll have to scavenge around the backlogs for the five episodes that were ever made
Prelude to it becoming a service like Xbox Live. You WILL end up paying for PSN, because without money, it simply can't keep up with Live. You can boast about free online service all you want, but if they don't get money for it, they can't afford to keep maintaining and updating it.
If they had started under this premise, or not made claims counter to this premise, the reception to the Qore announcement would not be nearly so negative here.
you don't understand, man. qore is going to be a front page service for maybe two weeks and after that you'll have to search through the store to get to it. there's no way they can ever implant it on top of the current psn, it's a different system and it's for niche users
it will probably fail miserably. in a year you'll have to scavenge around the backlogs for the five episodes that were ever made
You misunderstand my point. PSN and its free features have long been advertised as such, specifically as one of the X360 countermeasures in the PS3's advertising campaign. Now, some of those features are being "modified" to beef up the non-free Qore project, which in any right-minded business model would be supported through the revenue brought by the ubiquitous ads mentioned in the press releases and previews. The move lacks integrity.
You misunderstand my point. PSN and its free features have long been advertised as such, specifically as one of the X360 countermeasures in the PS3's advertising campaign. Now, some of those features are being "modified" to beef up the non-free Qore project, which in any right-minded business model would be supported through the revenue brought by the ubiquitous ads mentioned in the press releases and previews. The move lacks integrity.
but it's not a modification of the psn at all
it's a completely separate product. there'll still be free demos and dlc and themes on the store. always. as soon as there aren't, come back and then start crying, but it won't happen. i also know for sure that sony won't put anything that live users get free into this. they'll tee up with it for a couple of first-party demos before it goes bust. it's not worth worrying about
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
edited June 2008
Qore is obviously an islamist front by Sony to spread the communist Muslim message worldwide. Is it coincidence Qore sounds just like the first syllable in Quran? No, of course it isn't.
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Considering we don't know if they're timed exclusive yet that one probably won't be answered 'till later.
They really should tell us this stuff before the magazine is released this thursday.
By my take on this, it's just OPM basically, with a demo disc. Except now, it's digital, and cheaper. Oh, and with much less lead time. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten my latest GI only to read "breaking news" about something I learned on Kotaku or joystiq two weeks before.
If you don't want to buy Qore, don't buy it. I don't see anyone saying that the PSN demos that exist today will not continue to exist outside of Qore... do I?
Am I drinking the Kool-aid, or is everyone overreacting just a leetle bit?
CURRENTLY PLAYING:
Android: Netrunner, Warhammer: Conquest, Star Realms
Existing demos? Probably won't change.
Future demos? Probably will be going to Qore ahead/instead of PSN.
I didn't know you guys read my blog!
Current mood: *flattered*
Listening to: Heavenly Sword Soundtrack
I was going to say it would be pretty easy to come up with some derogatory names for this service, like "Queer" or something. I wonder if GameFAQs has done so already?
Future demos will be on both, with some exclusives being on Qore. At least that's the impression they give. More likely than not, they will be timed demos anyways. It really isn't a whole lot different from exclusive demos from xbox magazine, except the magazine is $5 cheaper and digital.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Anyone know enough about what it costs publishers to put demos on PSN? Will the publisher see anything of the 3$ a (Stupid name) issue costs?
What incentive will publishers have for bringing demos to fewer potential customers?
On the flipside, this won't be for every demo, just "BIG GAMES." Which usually don't have demos anyway, because they're big games. GTA4 didn't have a demo, MGS4 doesn't have a demo (just a very annoying beta).
Would Uncharted still have had a free demo? Probably, because they want it to sell. Would Final Fantasy 13 have a free demo? Probably not. But might have a paid demo.
We won't know until "Qore" hits, though.
Sounds pretty stupid to me though. I think the LOL Sony factor is enabled by the following points:
-unskipable ads... for something you pay for...I had IGN Insider a while back (sorry) and when they added
unskipable ads to video's I Kept my money.
-Exclusive Demos... It's like paying for a game twice... kinda... They are just shifting already free content to
a pay service
-Sony making a huge deal about having a free service then pulling a stunt like this.
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It's $3 a month, ads can be skipped after 5 seconds, and tons of other services do exclusives like xbox magazine and fileplanet {which are both more expensive than Qore}.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
MGSIV gets a 5 - ::interstitial ad:: - out of 5.
None of which are any better than rationalizations for dumping the company's party line in favor of an unpopular business model.
That's not totally true I saw the Carl's Jr. van in Burnout Revenge and I was all like 'goddamn I gotta get me some Carl's Jr' and then I did.
Well yeah. I would rather have free stuff than pay for it. But when you compare it to similar businesses that have been doing it for years, it isn't bad at all.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
edit: i actually think it's a good idea, even if sony did misplace a few words in announcing it. hd trailers, interviews etc in a neat package with interactive add-ons. it's something new and any vitriol against it is just maliciousness for the sake of it. we're not going to lose free demos, there are too many of them and developers like them too much these days to fit into this comprehensive, polished product
i'd imagine maybe a handful of sony first party titles might get an early demo release on qore but other than that it'll be business as usual.
You are right. It is also about betas.
Remember when my grandmother got me a subscription to Nintendo Power and it had an entire Dragon Warrior in it? You don't, but I assure you it happened. They were all like, "Here you go, son, welcome to JRPGs. Don't listen to Yahtzee - that'll make sense later." Then they flew away on their magical rainbow unicorn, leaving me with an entire game and 12 months of Howard and Nester.
Basically, that.
Oh shit. Too bad there aren't any Carl's Jr. around here. Just talking about it makes me jones for some.
where did the arrogant idea that everyone's entitled to beta access cme from anyway? it seems to be only recent, this generation certainly. a beta is a production phase that should be rolled out however the developers need it to, not an assumed right of every player. an inclusion in a $3 magazine is a fine option for any team that wants to filter out the chaff of an open beta.
Any business decision which requires a comparison to competing services to act as a counterweight for its own lack of merit is a problematic one.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Would solve a lot of problems, eh?
If they had started under this premise, or not made claims counter to this premise, the reception to the Qore announcement would not be nearly so negative here.
it has a pretty steady source of money from psn purchases
It would. Everything fun or entertaining is just an ad anyways.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
you don't understand, man. qore is going to be a front page service for maybe two weeks and after that you'll have to search through the store to get to it. there's no way they can ever implant it on top of the current psn, it's a different system and it's for niche users
it will probably fail miserably. in a year you'll have to scavenge around the backlogs for the five episodes that were ever made
Now I'm torn
Does Nintendo, or Sony understand the internet better?
I can't make sense of anything anymore.
I prefer to think that all three companies understand it poorly.
Trent Reznor should be an ambasador for the internet to the video games industry.
You misunderstand my point. PSN and its free features have long been advertised as such, specifically as one of the X360 countermeasures in the PS3's advertising campaign. Now, some of those features are being "modified" to beef up the non-free Qore project, which in any right-minded business model would be supported through the revenue brought by the ubiquitous ads mentioned in the press releases and previews. The move lacks integrity.
We're full up on douchebags, actually.
but it's not a modification of the psn at all
it's a completely separate product. there'll still be free demos and dlc and themes on the store. always. as soon as there aren't, come back and then start crying, but it won't happen. i also know for sure that sony won't put anything that live users get free into this. they'll tee up with it for a couple of first-party demos before it goes bust. it's not worth worrying about