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Welcome to your neighborhood police state

CalliusCallius Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Social Entropy++
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That's right, folks. Washington, D.C. is now quarantining neighborhoods and requiring identification to enter.

If you do not have proper identification or "reason to be there" then you can be arrested.

I love you, police state.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    and no ones going to do anything about it

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  • tsplittertsplitter Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    im going to DC in august

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  • DislexicDislexic Creepy Uncle Bad Touch Your local playgroundRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Hooooo boy, sounds like protests at the white house are soon to be rampant

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    and no ones going to do anything about it
    I love how radical our country is.

    We sure showed those British a thing or two about trying to oppress us.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    It's about time we started doing something about neighborhood safety.

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  • tsplittertsplitter Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    and no ones going to do anything about it
    I love how radical our country is.

    We sure showed those Indians a thing or two about trying to oppress us.

    i couldnt help myself

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  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    gosh washington dc what a surprise they would infringe upon your rights

    in that glorious area of high violent crime rates and no guns allowed.

    yep

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    it's one neighborhood for five days and they have no way of fact-checking

    it's stupid but in no way "police-state"

    and you get turned away, not arrested

    thanks for knee-jerking

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    it's one neighborhood for five days and they have no way of fact-checking

    it's stupid but in no way "police-state"

    and you get turned away, not arrested

    thanks for knee-jerking

    you say that now but man this is just the start

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  • LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Paging David Belle...

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited June 2008
    what is the zone there for?

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    it's one neighborhood for five days and they have no way of fact-checking

    it's stupid but in no way "police-state"

    and you get turned away, not arrested

    thanks for knee-jerking
    "failure to comply with such a request may result in arrest."

    Yes, you can be arrested.

    Also, are you fucking excusing a horrendous abuse of power, Pip? Fuckin' seriously?

    "Oh, it's okay that the cops are overstepping their constitutional bounds because it's only one small section of the city."

    Fuck that.

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  • TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Next time you see a cop patrolling, make sure to shout "FASCIST PIG!" as loud as you can right in his face. He was just going to arrest you anyway.


    Still, that's a pretty sweet sign there. If I lived in DC I'd totally steal one.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    it's one neighborhood for five days and they have no way of fact-checking

    it's stupid but in no way "police-state"

    and you get turned away, not arrested

    thanks for knee-jerking
    "failure to comply with such a request may result in arrest."

    Yes, you can be arrested.

    Also, are you fucking excusing a horrendous abuse of power, Pip? Fuckin' seriously?

    "Oh, it's okay that the cops are overstepping their constitutional bounds because it's only one small section of the city."

    Fuck that.
    Callius it's probably a black neighborhood so it doesn't really matter.

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  • LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    "Failure to Obey"

    oh jesus saint hoffenheimer christ

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    What is a Neighborhood Safety Zone (NSZ)?
    A Neighborhood Safety Zone is a delineated geographic area designated by the Chief of Police in response to documented crimes of violence -- the purpose of which is to provide high police visibility, prevent and deter crime, and create safer District of Columbia neighborhoods -- by prohibiting vehicles with no legitimate purpose to enter the area.


    Are such zones constitutional?
    Yes. The U.S. Courts have found that such zones are constitutional when limited in scope, and when conducted for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.

    Maxwell v. City of New York (2nd Circuit)
    In 1992, in response to four drive-by shootings, the New York City Police Department implemented a temporary vehicular checkpoint in an eight squareblock where most of the drive-by shootings had taken place. Officers stopped every vehicle (not pedestrians) seeking to enter the area in order to ascertain the driver's connection to the neighborhood. Area residents, commercial vehicles, those dropping off small children or visiting the local church were permitted to enter the area. The court balanced (1) the gravity of the public concerns served by the checkpoint; (2) the degree to which the checkpoint effectively addressed those concerns; and (3) the severity of the intrusion upon individual liberty and held that the establishment of a vehicle checkpoint did not violate the 4th Amendment. The instructions given for the checkpoint were sufficiently detailed to be constitutional.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    denihilist wrote: »
    Callius it's probably a black neighborhood so it doesn't really matter.
    Well, duh.

    The 14th Amendment was after the 4th, so the 4th doesn't apply to the people that became citizens because of the 14th.

    I keep forgetting that.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    denihilist wrote: »
    What is a Neighborhood Safety Zone (NSZ)?
    A Neighborhood Safety Zone is a delineated geographic area designated by the Chief of Police in response to documented crimes of violence -- the purpose of which is to provide high police visibility, prevent and deter crime, and create safer District of Columbia neighborhoods -- by prohibiting vehicles with no legitimate purpose to enter the area.


    Are such zones constitutional?
    Yes. The U.S. Courts have found that such zones are constitutional when limited in scope, and when conducted for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.

    Maxwell v. City of New York (2nd Circuit)
    In 1992, in response to four drive-by shootings, the New York City Police Department implemented a temporary vehicular checkpoint in an eight squareblock where most of the drive-by shootings had taken place. Officers stopped every vehicle (not pedestrians) seeking to enter the area in order to ascertain the driver's connection to the neighborhood. Area residents, commercial vehicles, those dropping off small children or visiting the local church were permitted to enter the area. The court balanced (1) the gravity of the public concerns served by the checkpoint; (2) the degree to which the checkpoint effectively addressed those concerns; and (3) the severity of the intrusion upon individual liberty and held that the establishment of a vehicle checkpoint did not violate the 4th Amendment. The instructions given for the checkpoint were sufficiently detailed to be constitutional.

    woops

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    denihilist wrote: »
    What is a Neighborhood Safety Zone (NSZ)?
    A Neighborhood Safety Zone is a delineated geographic area designated by the Chief of Police in response to documented crimes of violence -- the purpose of which is to provide high police visibility, prevent and deter crime, and create safer District of Columbia neighborhoods -- by prohibiting vehicles with no legitimate purpose to enter the area.


    Are such zones constitutional?
    Yes. The U.S. Courts have found that such zones are constitutional when limited in scope, and when conducted for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.

    Maxwell v. City of New York (2nd Circuit)
    In 1992, in response to four drive-by shootings, the New York City Police Department implemented a temporary vehicular checkpoint in an eight squareblock where most of the drive-by shootings had taken place. Officers stopped every vehicle (not pedestrians) seeking to enter the area in order to ascertain the driver's connection to the neighborhood. Area residents, commercial vehicles, those dropping off small children or visiting the local church were permitted to enter the area. The court balanced (1) the gravity of the public concerns served by the checkpoint; (2) the degree to which the checkpoint effectively addressed those concerns; and (3) the severity of the intrusion upon individual liberty and held that the establishment of a vehicle checkpoint did not violate the 4th Amendment. The instructions given for the checkpoint were sufficiently detailed to be constitutional.
    Yeah, that's a buncha' bullshit.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I was just about to say it isn't unconstitutional.

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  • Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    If they'd just let everybody there shoot each other, the problem would solve itself.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    woops
    So, every supreme court ruling about the constitution is correct and error free?

    Glad to know you're such a sycophant, pip.

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  • World as MythWorld as Myth a breezy way to annoy serious people Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Starting on Saturday, officers will check drivers' identification and ask whether they have a "legitimate purpose" to be in the Trinidad area, such as going to a doctor or church or visiting friends or relatives. If not, the drivers will be turned away.
    this sounds airtight

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    yeah, there is legal precedent for this even if you don't like it

    I can understand your concern and there certainly is potential for abuse, but it has been found constitutional

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    woops
    So, every supreme court ruling about the constitution is correct and error free?

    Glad to know you're such a sycophant, pip.

    in the bound of the law? yes

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  • tsplittertsplitter Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Starting on Saturday, officers will check drivers' identification and ask whether they have a "legitimate purpose" to be in the Trinidad area, such as going to a doctor or church or visiting friends or relatives. If not, the drivers will be turned away.
    this sounds airtight

    "hello officer im just here to pick up some guns my doctor prescribed for me"

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    Callius this might make you feel a little better:
    Will Department members be trained in advance on how to implement an NSZ?
    Yes. The Department's Training Academy will train all officers in advance concerning all procedures and standards as well as related U.S. constitutional law and case law.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Druhim wrote: »
    yeah, there is legal precedent for this even if you don't like it

    I can understand your concern and there certainly is potential for abuse, but it has been found constitutional
    I disagree vehemently with that ruling.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    Seriously though, my only problem with this is that it will keep people that have a legitimate desire from expressing/achieving that desire.

    The desire to kill one another.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    yeah, there is legal precedent for this even if you don't like it

    I can understand your concern and there certainly is potential for abuse, but it has been found constitutional
    I disagree vehemently with that ruling.
    As you're entitled to. Don't have much impact on the constitutionality of it.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    yeah uh, this isn't right

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  • TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    denihilist wrote: »
    Callius this might make you feel a little better:
    Will Department members be trained in advance on how to implement an NSZ?
    Yes. The Department's Training Academy will train all officers in advance concerning all procedures and standards as well as related U.S. constitutional law and case law.

    Awesome. I hope they get to see a video.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    denihilist wrote: »
    Seriously though, my only problem with this is that it will keep people that have a legitimate desire from expressing/achieving that desire.

    The desire to kill one another.
    I want to kill you by destroying your liver with a selection of quality beers.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    in the bound of the law? yes
    Rad, so you were opposed to the Colonists vie for independence?

    What with it being illegal and all.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008

    Awesome. I hope they get to see a video.
    The good news: There is a video
    The bad news: It's the "Don't taze me bro" video

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    denihilist wrote: »
    Callius this might make you feel a little better:
    Will Department members be trained in advance on how to implement an NSZ?
    Yes. The Department's Training Academy will train all officers in advance concerning all procedures and standards as well as related U.S. constitutional law and case law.

    Awesome. I hope they get to see a video.
    Starring John Cleese.

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  • tsplittertsplitter Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Druhim wrote: »
    denihilist wrote: »
    Callius this might make you feel a little better:
    Will Department members be trained in advance on how to implement an NSZ?
    Yes. The Department's Training Academy will train all officers in advance concerning all procedures and standards as well as related U.S. constitutional law and case law.

    Awesome. I hope they get to see a video.
    Starring John Cleese.

    A benny hill sketch might be more appropriate

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Man when I think police state I think barbed wire, constant night and being shot for speaking up.

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  • denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    That is exactly what they want you to think.

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