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isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
Alright, so yesterday (2 days ago, I guess) as I was taking a break from working at the ol' coffee shop, I walked past a tanning salon, inside which were 2 VERY attractive girls, so I winked at one of them and kept walking to the chinese food next door. I heard them laugh really loud, and didn't think much of it, but 3-4 minutes later one came over and asked me for my number, because the girl I had winked at thought I was 'cute'.

We texted (is that even a word?) each other for a good 6 hours, and today we texted for like 5. The whole thing went over great, and I cleverly asked if I could see her on monday, which she said yes to.

However, I've never really had an interest in dating, so this is a new thing for me. I've been on a few dates in my life but none of them were really that memorable. I'm 18, and she's only 16, which is weird, but at the same time I don't want this to end up being anything more than a 2 month fling in the first place, since I'm moving away to go to school in september anyway. The thing that worries me is that she's really attractive, she's been in relationships before, and doesn't like a girl who'd go for someone like me (her favorite band is rascal flats... what the hell kind of band is that? :) ). She's like a high-school hottie, and I'm a complete musician/artist geek. It's not like I'm unattractive or anything, but I don't really have any muscles or anything...

Anyway, so I'm taking her somewhere on monday, and I'm not really sure how to handle it/where to take her. I guess the best advice I have for myself is to just have fun and see where it goes, but inside I'm freaking out. Any advice?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    As far as handling it goes, just have fun. It sounds like she likes you, don't be all needy and nervous and worried about if she's too good for you or whatever. She'll decide that. Just relax and have a good time and maybe you'll at least make a new friend and at best maybe bump her slats.

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  • TaGuelleTaGuelle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Just maintain that "attitude" you had when you winked. Don't even consider it a date.

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  • squirlysquirly Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Don't be too serious and think too much of it. Try not to treat it as the generc 'date' idea (Romantic dinner at expensive restaurant, whatever) and treat it more like just hanging out with a friend so you'll be more relaxed, you won't make any mistakes to trying too hard to get her to like you -- basically what ole' Tube said. Also, don't be nice and don't be jerk, what I'm talking about is the whole "Girls like jerks and don't like nice guys" thing which isn't exactly true, it's more that they like men who have a backbone (Which many 'nice' guys don't) and they like guys who can mess around/have fun (Like in a friendly way mock something about her like maybe her shoes choice but not in an insulting one, which is the 'jerk' part of the stereotype but you're not really being a jerk).

    As for where to take her, umm, probably somewhere open with people around, something fun/light, something with things around so you can easily recover from awkward silences when the conversation dies, something interactive (Arcades, seriously, near one of the most popular beaches in QLD there's a largish arcade and I've been there with girls before and it's tons of fun, there's also a fair few places around it to eat (It's in a populr area), etc), and so on.

    Oh, and girls going for geeks/artists/musicians isn't rare and the ones who do tend to be slightly more interesting than the average girl. Also, POIDH. :P

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    You spent hours texting about interests.. see if you can use one of those. Something public is good. Just relax and have fun.

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  • grim123grim123 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    don't want to rain on your parade
    but thought someone should mention that you should be careful since she's underage.

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  • Charles KinboteCharles Kinbote Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    it's still legal, the age gap isn't too large

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  • grim123grim123 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    no it's statutory rape isn't it?


    ok maybe maybe not read the wiki
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    grim123 wrote: »
    don't want to rain on your parade
    but thought someone should mention that you should be careful since she's underage.

    Depends where he lives, in the UK 16 is the age of consent so it's all good and legal.

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  • grim123grim123 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Casual wrote: »
    grim123 wrote: »
    don't want to rain on your parade
    but thought someone should mention that you should be careful since she's underage.

    Depends where he lives, in the UK 16 is the age of consent so it's all good and legal.
    good point I'd just assumed he lives in the U.S.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    It's also completely irrelevant because he has given us no indication that he intends on frantically rubbing his ballsack against her. He's asking for date advice.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I dunno, it sounds like the OP has everything under control. Feeling all nervous is kinda normal I think. Just have fun and enjoy whatever it is you're going to do. Like ceres said go somewhere public, maybe a park or someplace that has live music during the day or evening.

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  • grim123grim123 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    he did say 2 month fling.
    I just figured if things go well a relationship would = sex no?

    anyway I agree with what everyone has said so far just relax and be yourself.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    grim123 wrote: »
    he did say 2 month fling.
    I just figured if things go well a relationship would = sex no?

    anyway I agree with what everyone has said so far just relax and be yourself.

    Depends. Some people move slower than others, and that's not really good or bad so much as a neutral preference.

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  • ddahcmaiddahcmai Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'm pretty much here to say what everybody else said:
    She's already attracted to you. Stop worrying that she won't be attracted to you. Forget the whole idea that just because somebody is physically attractive means that you're not good enough for them or they're on a higher "level" than you.
    Pretty does not automatically equal attractive. Don't forget about personality and the millions of other things that go on on the inside.
    She's pretty? So what? You're a badass, confident musician.

    Quit worrying that you won't be able to make it, because you're already there. There's no more need to impress; the purpose of taking somebody out on a date isn't to convince them to like you, it's to see if you're compatible, so just be yourself and enjoy yourself, and if she enjoys herself too, then awesome, things are going well. Just don't worry about impressing her, because that is not what dating is about.

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  • isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wow, tons of great advice, thanks guys.

    Yeah, I'm not even interested in sex, just having a hot female friend to hang out with this summer (and possibly make out with :P). As for the night out, I was thinking about getting drinks somewhere and then something else fun (liking the arcade idea :) ).

    And what ddahcmai said: you're absolutely right. We started talking about serious things like school and stuff, and I said something about high school being so boring and easy (subconsciously talking myself up a little) and she said 'Oh I see' back, but as soon as I brought the conversation back to a fun and flirty level, not talking about myself, she sounded really interested again. So as long as I keep it 'I just want to hang out and have a fun night with you' (ew, not like that), I think I should be fine. Worst case scenario it won't really work out between us, but we had fun. (oh and thanks for the 'badass musician' comment, it's true! 8-) )

    Any other advice (especially on what to do that night?)

    Thanks again

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Well, if by 'drinks' you mean at your local soda fountain or coffee establishment, that would be a good idea.

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  • isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Yeah, I meant coffee. I work at 'beans and brews', but I was just thinking about taking her to star bucks or something (god knows teenage girls love their carmel frappuccino's). Another slight issue, is that I'm 6'2", and she's 5'2". That's a solid foot height difference :(.

    Maybe doing stuff sitting down would make the height difference less noticeable? :)

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  • emericanaemericana Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Take her to where you work for coffe and plan ahead to have them play your songs. She'll be yours.

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  • EtchEtch Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    lol angle shot.

    Also, if you don't have her permission you should probably not post pictures of her.

    She does look pretty cute too, damn minors!

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Also don't worry about the height thing.

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  • isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You're right, taking hers down...

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  • isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    emericana wrote: »
    Take her to where you work for coffe and plan ahead to have them play your songs. She'll be yours.

    lol, genius I say! But I don't really want to push the 'I'm an awesome musician' card (yet), I couldn't pull it off without coming off trying to impress her...

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  • emericanaemericana Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    isaac17 wrote: »
    emericana wrote: »
    Take her to where you work for coffe and plan ahead to have them play your songs. She'll be yours.

    lol, genius I say! But I don't really want to push the 'I'm an awesome musician' card (yet), I couldn't pull it off without coming off trying to impress her...

    That's the thing. Act embarrassed when it comes on, go up, talk to the person at the counter about it, play it down as much as you can. Make her work hard to coax it out of you that the reason you're acting funny is cuz they're playing your song. You should do the opposite of bragging.

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    isaac17 wrote: »
    Another slight issue, is that I'm 6'2", and she's 5'2". That's a solid foot height difference :(.
    I knew a girl in university who was 4 foot 10 inch at the most, she was always going out with guys over 6 foot. I guess she just liked large men. :winky: I'd say don't even think about the height difference.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    The OP met a girl just using a wink, I don't think he needs our help and should just use his natural instincts. We could be screwing him up in the end.

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  • BrocratesBrocrates __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    If she is in highschool I really wouldn't worry about much, it's not like it will be hard to impress her. Just have fun but think about that age difference before you do anything.

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  • isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Alright, update:

    So, tonight I texted her something like 'I still get to see you tonight, right?', and an hour later (after receiving no reply) I called her and actually talked to her for the first time. I asked her if I could still see her tonight, and she said 'sure, if you want to'. I was kinda like 'ouch, that's kinda like no, right?' She laughed and said it was kinda like 'come see me if you want', so I told her I'd be over in like a half an hour. (she said she was at work, but off the clock)

    Anyway, so I was kinda discouraged a little bit that she just wanted to hang out at her work, but whatever, and off I went. Well, like I said, I've had like NO interest in dating through most of high school, so most of the night was awkward and a bit quiet. I tried to smile and talk to her, but I was too tired to really joke around (and I'm just getting over salmonella from fsking Subway's tomatoes... >_<) or be very much fun. A lot of it was really awkward where I just hung out and listened to her and her friend talking, but she seemed normal. I was just really out of my element at a tanning salon with 2 teenage girls when I don't have great conversation skills with women I don't know (plenty of friends with hot girlfriends that I talk to fine, but the night just felt a little awkward).

    Anyway, we ended up out in the parking lot talking about our crappy cars, and the conversation got to her past experience with guys. She's had it pretty rough, and in the blur of the moment, I accidentally took the 'big brother' position. I ended up giving her the best advice I could, I really didn't want her to get hurt again, but as I left there was this HEAVY feeling that I had just moved to sorta 'friend', not dating interest at all. Anyway, I hugged her, and after she said 'geeze you're tall' I made a lame attempt at a joke saying 'older too'.

    Anyway, I left and felt like I had royally screwed up, but she texted me a few minutes later and said thanks for coming to see me, I made some actually funny jokes about how her friend had broken their shitty vacuum while I was there, and said I'd hopefully talk to her tomorrow.

    ANYWAY, I basically drove away feeling like I had messed things up, but I don't know where I stand now. I really just need to be better at being myself while around her, I reverted to my shy/quiet public self while I was there :(.

    I think my best bet is to leave it for a day or two then tell her to come to my work for some free coffee (I always feel confident at my job, not sure why, and I basically sit around at work anyway), and hopefully conversation goes better then...

    Any and all advice is appreciated...

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  • mechaThormechaThor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    If she was with her friend and you were meeting her for the first time it seems justifiable that you would be quiet/shy (trying to interject in a conversation between two 16 yr. old girls is near impossible iirc) and not trying to keep the attention centered on yourself by constantly telling stories etc. isn't something to beat yourself up over. Seeing as she text'd you a few minutes after you left saying that she was glad you came and seemed to want to continue talking it doesn't seem that you royally screwed up at all.

    As other posters said keep the same air of confidence that was apparent the first time you winked at her. Feeling bad over what you did or did not say isn't helping in that regard and will probably just make you overly paranoid/nervous the next time you/if you meet up. It seems that she digs you and wants to keep talking, so :^: :^:

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  • squirlysquirly Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This probably isn't going to make you feel better, but..
    • If a girl goes from being somewhat enthusiastic/interested to a cavalier "Sure, whatever" especially after not replying for so long and you having to call I would not have turned up for anything that night. I probably would've went "Eh, well I have some other things on but some other time, yeah?"

      It's annoying as hell when girls go from being interested to cold like that but you just need to not play on their terms and remember that your time is important, you can't just wait it sitting around hoping.
    • I can imagine talking to 2 teenage girls at a tanning salon sucking heaps, bad luck man. I'm also totally with you on turning into a shy person with nothing to say when a girl has her friends around her. :x

      I don't really have a particular plan if I'm in this situation but just, I don't know, be involved in the conversation but not too much and say little things (Especially jokes) to help the conversation flow along unless of course it's a topic you think you can get in to with them. Also, make sure to never leave their friend out, their friend's judgement is incredibly important to them -- their friend may also be cuter and more interesting. ;)
    • Don't talk about her ex-boyfriends and any heavy stuff so soon, just try and keep it quick, snappy and fun. Also, try to never talk about ex-boyfriends.
    • Definitely leave it a few days, I probably wouldn't try to do more than 1-2 things per week with her and especially not in quick succession.
    • Yes, the 'big brother' position is a horrible one to get into it, it's basically putting yourself in that "Oh, thanks, I'm flattered but we're just friends" group. If you're ever in the 'just friends' group you should first beat yourself up for sucking that much and never talk to her again.
    • When she said you're tall you could've countered with "Nah, you're just a midget" and than start calling her shorty every now and than. Having a nickname like that for girls is awesome fun and depending upon the girl they may not be used to a guy having the guts to do so. There was this girl I'd see around (We knew a lot of the same people and that) and she was incredibly hot (And I'm not easily impressed) but she was short, so one time I just started calling her shorty and having fun and she loved it (Well, openly she'd scoff and that, but in a laughing way) and some other guys were like "No way, you can't say that to her!" -- wussies, all of them.
    • This is similar to other things I've said but I probably wouldn't say something like "I'll hopefully talk to you tomorrow" but rather something like "Eh, well this was almost fun, you can be a bit boring sometimes and you have weird, violent friends! I mean, did you see what she did to that vacuum cleaner?! But I'll talk to you later this week." You could also add on something like ".. later this week and if you convince me that you and your pyscho friend aren't going to murder me in a dark alley we could hang out."

    By the way, there are always exceptions to these things I've said. Once every 4930 years when the planets align you'll meet a girl who you'll have instant rapport with and hanging out often and that is suddenly not a bad idea.. but unfortunately with most girls it's best not to.

    I wouldn't say your situation is completely lost but I'd go with no deep conversations, don't be too eager to do things with her, etc -- just the other stuff I mention above. I think getting her to come by your work place could be good but probably not while you're working and depending upon who you work with they may make it suck and quite awkward.. but no matter what you do, have your chin up, don't sulk and have some confidence about you and if it doesn't work out, who cares, just some girl and a 16 year old one at that, you're going to have a million "Oh, she seems interested!" type things were you get their numbers and it just plain doesn't work out.

    I hope that helps.. I don't even know if I'm qualified to give advice considering how abysmally bad I've done with girls of late and by late I mean quite some time.

    Edit: I just noticed you said anyway like 4 times, hah.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Don't worry about the "friend" or "brother" thing with someone you just meet. If you can come across as a friend to someone you're interested in dating, that means you actually *get along together* and should see it as a sign that dating will actually work. If you came across as cold or non-chalant and then wanted to suddenly kiss her? Buh? So acting like a big bro or a good friend is a good way, in my book, to start getting to know someone.

    The only way you get stuck as a permanent brother-figure is if you don't act beyond that. If you only offer advice to her, look out for her interests, and never show any signs of dating her or being intimate, well, you get what youo asked for, really.

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  • isaac17isaac17 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    squirly wrote: »
    This probably isn't going to make you feel better, but..
    • If a girl goes from being somewhat enthusiastic/interested to a cavalier "Sure, whatever" especially after not replying for so long and you having to call I would not have turned up for anything that night. I probably would've went "Eh, well I have some other things on but some other time, yeah?"

      It's annoying as hell when girls go from being interested to cold like that but you just need to not play on their terms and remember that your time is important, you can't just wait it sitting around hoping.
    • I can imagine talking to 2 teenage girls at a tanning salon sucking heaps, bad luck man. I'm also totally with you on turning into a shy person with nothing to say when a girl has her friends around her. :x

      I don't really have a particular plan if I'm in this situation but just, I don't know, be involved in the conversation but not too much and say little things (Especially jokes) to help the conversation flow along unless of course it's a topic you think you can get in to with them. Also, make sure to never leave their friend out, their friend's judgement is incredibly important to them -- their friend may also be cuter and more interesting. ;)
    • Don't talk about her ex-boyfriends and any heavy stuff so soon, just try and keep it quick, snappy and fun. Also, try to never talk about ex-boyfriends.
    • Definitely leave it a few days, I probably wouldn't try to do more than 1-2 things per week with her and especially not in quick succession.
    • Yes, the 'big brother' position is a horrible one to get into it, it's basically putting yourself in that "Oh, thanks, I'm flattered but we're just friends" group. If you're ever in the 'just friends' group you should first beat yourself up for sucking that much and never talk to her again.
    • When she said you're tall you could've countered with "Nah, you're just a midget" and than start calling her shorty every now and than. Having a nickname like that for girls is awesome fun and depending upon the girl they may not be used to a guy having the guts to do so. There was this girl I'd see around (We knew a lot of the same people and that) and she was incredibly hot (And I'm not easily impressed) but she was short, so one time I just started calling her shorty and having fun and she loved it (Well, openly she'd scoff and that, but in a laughing way) and some other guys were like "No way, you can't say that to her!" -- wussies, all of them.
    • This is similar to other things I've said but I probably wouldn't say something like "I'll hopefully talk to you tomorrow" but rather something like "Eh, well this was almost fun, you can be a bit boring sometimes and you have weird, violent friends! I mean, did you see what she did to that vacuum cleaner?! But I'll talk to you later this week." You could also add on something like ".. later this week and if you convince me that you and your pyscho friend aren't going to murder me in a dark alley we could hang out."

    By the way, there are always exceptions to these things I've said. Once every 4930 years when the planets align you'll meet a girl who you'll have instant rapport with and hanging out often and that is suddenly not a bad idea.. but unfortunately with most girls it's best not to.

    I wouldn't say your situation is completely lost but I'd go with no deep conversations, don't be too eager to do things with her, etc -- just the other stuff I mention above. I think getting her to come by your work place could be good but probably not while you're working and depending upon who you work with they may make it suck and quite awkward.. but no matter what you do, have your chin up, don't sulk and have some confidence about you and if it doesn't work out, who cares, just some girl and a 16 year old one at that, you're going to have a million "Oh, she seems interested!" type things were you get their numbers and it just plain doesn't work out.

    I hope that helps.. I don't even know if I'm qualified to give advice considering how abysmally bad I've done with girls of late and by late I mean quite some time.

    Edit: I just noticed you said anyway like 4 times, hah.
    Thanks for the lengthy reply

    Wow, I did say anyway a lot...

    When I called her she DID say she had replied, so my phone is probably just retarded, but still, looking back I think it would have been a slightly better move to hold off a little longer, but whatever, that already happened.

    It's looking like basically walking the line between 'interested', but not seeing her too much, which I can do (I think...)

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  • SpecularitySpecularity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Squirly, I think you'd have to be careful with the height nicknames. I got that enough at 5'3, and believe me, it got old really quickly.

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  • squirlysquirly Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Oh, absolutely, I was careful. I used it quite sparingly knowing it would get old, become annoying to her, etc.

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