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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gilder wrote: »
    So I just downloaded Firefox 3 and I have 2 problems that I'm sure have a simple solution.

    1. These bookmarks in my recent internet history drop-down menu thing. I want them gone. If I want to see my bookmarked sites I'll click bookmarks, not my drop-down of recent sites. How do I stop them from showing up? It's really annoying to just want to click penny-arcade and instead of finding it at the bottom like usual I find some other bookmark.

    2. I have shitty eyes so I can't read small font on this high resolution. I always just used ctrl+scroll wheel to enlarge the text but in 3 it seems to not work right and it just zooms the whole page in instead of making the text bigger. This results in pictures being really blurry. I'd like a way to do it just like I used to.

    So can anyone help with these 2 things?
    1. Start typing the address you want. It will eventually (after a couple of tries) pick up your preferences and re-order the list.

    2. Set the minimum font size in the preferences to something bigger than "none" or "nine." Or you could download Stylish and create a global style for all paragraph text to set the size bigger. Or you could do what Ayulin said.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Updated the op with add-ons info and a screen shot, at the moment i've decided on just adding the most popular add-ons. (searched the extension site and sorted by most popular)

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  • ASimPersonASimPerson And they will tremble again at the sound of our silence.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gilder wrote: »
    So I just downloaded Firefox 3 and I have 2 problems that I'm sure have a simple solution.

    1. These bookmarks in my recent internet history drop-down menu thing. I want them gone. If I want to see my bookmarked sites I'll click bookmarks, not my drop-down of recent sites. How do I stop them from showing up? It's really annoying to just want to click penny-arcade and instead of finding it at the bottom like usual I find some other bookmark.

    Congratulations, you're experiencing the decided non-awesomeness of the Awesome Bar! And guess what, there's absolutely no way of turning it off without modifying Firefox's source code!

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Really, the complaints about the awesomebar are a little overblown. Yes, it has bookmarks and searches by page title too, but I've only had FF3 installed for half a week, and it's associated 95% of the sites I visit frequently the same way FF2 did. I am kind of annoyed that sometimes it does select the first one automatically (even when the mouse is nowhere near it), so I'm hitting the second link when I do my usual down+enter when I don't look.

    Also, thanks again for the help with the go button. Since you guys were so helpful, does anyone know how to turn on the next/previous buttons on in the bar when using the type-to-search?

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  • AyulinAyulin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    So, uh, anyone have any particularly neat/useful GreaseMonkey scripts? Just installed it, since I've been hearing good things about it, and I just noticed it works (didn't let me install it in RC3.)

    I could've sworn I saw a post or thread here with them, but I can't seem to find it now...

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  • ASimPersonASimPerson And they will tremble again at the sound of our silence.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Spoit wrote: »
    Really, the complaints about the awesomebar are a little overblown. Yes, it has bookmarks and searches by page title too, but I've only had FF3 installed for half a week, and it's associated 95% of the sites I visit frequently the same way FF2 did. I am kind of annoyed that sometimes it does select the first one automatically (even when the mouse is nowhere near it), so I'm hitting the second link when I do my usual down+enter when I don't look.

    I've been using the betas and RC's for a few months now. Just because it trains itself and annoys me less doesn't make it not annoying. Given the option, I would switch back to the URL-only behavior any day.

    (Note: I use FF3 on my work laptop and FF2 on my home PC, just so I can continue to compare what I like/don't like. Outside of the "awesome" bar, I prefer most of FF3's features.)

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Ayulin wrote: »
    So, uh, anyone have any particularly neat/useful GreaseMonkey scripts? Just installed it, since I've been hearing good things about it, and I just noticed it works (didn't let me install it in RC3.)

    I could've sworn I saw a post or thread here with them, but I can't seem to find it now...

    I went to the greasemonkey site, selected browse all user scripts and then sorted by the number of installs.

    That seems to show the most popular ones at least.

    See here for example.

    Oh hey, the Firefox 3 download link itself works.

    I modified the normal download Firefox 2 link from:

    http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.14&os=win&lang=en-GB

    To

    http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.0&os=win&lang=en-GB

    And it downloads Fx3, of course i've got the FTP direct links in the op so it doesn't matter anyway. But it's definitely a sign it's coming soon.

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  • AyulinAyulin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Ah, that's a good idea. Didn't think of that, thanks.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    So I just downloaded Firefox 3 and I have 2 problems that I'm sure have a simple solution.

    1. These bookmarks in my recent internet history drop-down menu thing. I want them gone. If I want to see my bookmarked sites I'll click bookmarks, not my drop-down of recent sites. How do I stop them from showing up? It's really annoying to just want to click penny-arcade and instead of finding it at the bottom like usual I find some other bookmark.

    Congratulations, you're experiencing the decided non-awesomeness of the Awesome Bar! And guess what, there's absolutely no way of turning it off without modifying Firefox's source code!

    Isn't there something in about:config that allows you to revert the behaviour? I remember reading something about it - some guy found it and was using it in conjunction with that oldbar add-on so that he'd basically have the Firefox 2 urlbar.
    Spoit wrote: »
    Also, thanks again for the help with the go button. Since you guys were so helpful, does anyone know how to turn on the next/previous buttons on in the bar when using the type-to-search?

    I don't think you can without using the full Find function. You can still go Ctrl+G and Ctrl+Shift+G if you're using type-to-search.

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  • ASimPersonASimPerson And they will tremble again at the sound of our silence.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    ASimPerson wrote: »
    Gilder wrote: »
    So I just downloaded Firefox 3 and I have 2 problems that I'm sure have a simple solution.

    1. These bookmarks in my recent internet history drop-down menu thing. I want them gone. If I want to see my bookmarked sites I'll click bookmarks, not my drop-down of recent sites. How do I stop them from showing up? It's really annoying to just want to click penny-arcade and instead of finding it at the bottom like usual I find some other bookmark.

    Congratulations, you're experiencing the decided non-awesomeness of the Awesome Bar! And guess what, there's absolutely no way of turning it off without modifying Firefox's source code!

    Isn't there something in about:config that allows you to revert the behaviour? I remember reading something about it - some guy found it and was using it in conjunction with that oldbar add-on so that he'd basically have the Firefox 2 urlbar.

    There is an extension called "oldbar" that disables the fancy UI of the new bar, but they literally removed the old matching code and replaced it. I don't think you can write an extension to modify the matching behavior, but I could be wrong.

    What it would take is someone manually patching the codebase and rolling their own Firefox builds. This is, of course, a giant PITA* so as far as I know no one's done it yet.

    *: Contrast to Pidgin, where their misguided UI changes led to a real fork of the project, but it's a lot easier to maintain an IM client than a web browser. Especially since they're just messing with the UI and not any of the internals.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Ayulin wrote: »
    So, uh, anyone have any particularly neat/useful GreaseMonkey scripts? Just installed it, since I've been hearing good things about it, and I just noticed it works (didn't let me install it in RC3.)

    I could've sworn I saw a post or thread here with them, but I can't seem to find it now...

    There's a nifty one for removing excess exclamation points kicking around.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    What I meant is that I was under the impression that there existed an option in about:config that toggled the behaviour and this guy was using it with oldbar. I can't find the option anymore (if, indeed, it ever existed), so I may have been confusing it with browser.urlbar.matchBehavior.

    Looking at this thread in mozilla.support.planing, it sounds like you're right about the new code completely replacing the old code.

    EDIT: I found the option. It was removed around beta 2 or beta 3.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Does anyone have any more suggestions for stuff to add to the op?

    Should I add screen shots of all versions?

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  • AyulinAyulin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You could steal the ones on the Wiki here if you did that (I suppose you could, I mean. Is that allowed under fair use?)

    Just a quick bullet-point list of improvements might be useful (faster, less memory, etc.)

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    First thing most people ask about is the new Awesome Bar. Picture might help.

    AwesomeBar.jpg

    If you're going to use it I respectfully ask that you use other hosting. Dynamic history/bookmark search as you type it into the address bar based on web page title or even URL . Also, anything without a web prefix or affix (www.com) will be inserted as a search into google and take you to the results page, rather than laughing at your nonexistant "recipes for duck" URL.

    Edit: Wikipedia's image of it is dry and tasteless, like so many crackers. Use that if necessary:

    800px-Firefox_3_Location_Bar.png

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Ayulin wrote: »
    You could steal the ones on the Wiki here if you did that (I suppose you could, I mean. Is that allowed under fair use?)

    Just a quick bullet-point list of improvements might be useful (faster, less memory, etc.)

    I think wikipedia stuff is usually under creative commons licenses. As a general rule though, I think it's probably ok for me to lift those images because of fair use. My only niggle is that they're from RC2.

    I'm worried about making an image heavy op though, I might re-compress them as JPEG's to reduce the download size of the page.

    EDIT: Also, the mac os x and linux images show wikipedia. I'd rather they show the default firefox start or a penny arcade shot.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    JAEF wrote: »
    Also, anything without a web prefix or affix (www.com) will be inserted as a search into google and take you to the results page, rather than laughing at your nonexistant "recipes for duck" URL.

    Not just that - for some searches, it'll go I'm Feeling Lucky automatically (e.g. "penny arcade forum" or "filet mignon"). This is one of the things I've always liked about Firefox (not sure how long it's been there, but it's fantastic).
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    Also, the mac os x and linux images show wikipedia. I'd rather they show the default firefox start or a penny arcade shot.

    Paint/GIMP/whatever is your friend... Any real differences in page rendering for, say, PA between OSes probably wouldn't be noticed (font rendering perhaps?).

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    JAEF wrote: »
    Also, anything without a web prefix or affix (www.com) will be inserted as a search into google and take you to the results page, rather than laughing at your nonexistant "recipes for duck" URL.

    Not just that - for some searches, it'll go I'm Feeling Lucky automatically (e.g. "penny arcade forum" or "filet mignon"). This is one of the things I've always liked about Firefox (not sure how long it's been there, but it's fantastic).
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    Also, the mac os x and linux images show wikipedia. I'd rather they show the default firefox start or a penny arcade shot.

    Paint/GIMP/whatever is your friend... Any real differences in page rendering for, say, PA between OSes probably wouldn't be noticed (font rendering perhaps?).

    Well, i'll just take some screen shots myself. I've got windows vista and xp installs, I own a Macbook Pro and own VMWare Fusion on the Macbook. (also got Vista and VMWare Workstation on my work machine)

    I can simply take Ubuntu Linux screen shots of Firefox 3 running inside a virtual machine.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Ah, I see you're far more organised and professional than I am. :D

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    Ah, I see you're far more organised and professional than I am. :D
    That's why he drives a thread and you're just putting around in a little post. Is that even a two-seater?

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Depends on how big you are.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Updated the op with some more info on Firefox 3 features. Any more suggestions?

    Screen shots will probably come later today when I get home.

    EDIT: I choose not to use your image jaef because it was double the size of a PNG image. Lossy JPEG's are great for general images and photos but when it comes to things like screen shots of pages or text PNG wins out on the image size.

    It was a very good idea showing it in action though, which I promptly stole.

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  • SamphisSamphis Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Where can I get a link to the download?!

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    EDIT: I choose not to use your image jaef because it was double the size of a PNG image. Lossy JPEG's are great for general images and photos but when it comes to things like screen shots of pages or text PNG wins out on the image size.
    I actually saved it originally to a PNG, then fiddled with the jpg settings. The PNG was 120+kb, as compared with the 78KB jpg I got it down to. Shit, wiki's PNG image looks shittier and is almost the same file size as mine despite being mostly white and a handful of pixels smaller. Most of that is likely due to the text size in that image, but still. Give me some credit here.

    Samphis, the first post is just a wall of links. How did you miss it?

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    JAEF wrote: »
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    EDIT: I choose not to use your image jaef because it was double the size of a PNG image. Lossy JPEG's are great for general images and photos but when it comes to things like screen shots of pages or text PNG wins out on the image size.
    I actually saved it originally to a PNG, then fiddled with the jpg settings. The PNG was 120+kb, as compared with the 78KB jpg I got it down to. Shit, wiki's PNG image looks shittier and is almost the same file size as mine despite being mostly white and a handful of pixels smaller. Most of that is likely due to the text size in that image, but still. Give me some credit here.

    Samphis, the first post is just a wall of links. How did you miss it?

    You can now sleep soundly safe in the knowledge that credit has been given. All shall know the greatness that is JAEF. :P

    EDIT: Edited op to add big massive text to identify the sections.. like for downloads.. ahem.

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  • CoJoeTheLawyerCoJoeTheLawyer Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Just downloaded the new Firefox.

    I'm not big into tech. issues, but I like it so far. Very fast, and some of the new features (like placing the "save password" feature at the top instead of shoving a box down your throat) are nice.

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  • powersurgepowersurge Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Hrm I downloaded FF3 off the mozilla ftp link in the OP but after the install I was redirected to the Thanks for testing this release candidate page. Not the final version after all?

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I just noticed this on the OP: "British English (real English)". Nice.

    EDIT: Looks like the servers are taking a hit. Took me a few minutes to get the d/l started. Took another minute or so for the speed to pick up.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    powersurge wrote: »
    Hrm I downloaded FF3 off the mozilla ftp link in the OP but after the install I was redirected to the Thanks for testing this release candidate page. Not the final version after all?

    The webpage that it goes to is still the RC3 page. Once they've changed the webpage itself it'll make no mention of RC3. The downloads linked are the release versions because they're in the release directories.

    EDIT: Got to have a little playful fun at the expense of Americans Cyvros. :)

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  • Cameron_TalleyCameron_Talley Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    powersurge wrote: »
    Hrm I downloaded FF3 off the mozilla ftp link in the OP but after the install I was redirected to the Thanks for testing this release candidate page. Not the final version after all?

    It hasn't been officially released yet and won't be until 10AM Pacific time. So like, three more hours. Apparently, downloading from the FTP site doesn't count for the download record, either. Go to www.spreadfirefox.com to download it....I'm sure their servers will be hammered when it releases, though.

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  • powersurgepowersurge Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    powersurge wrote: »
    Hrm I downloaded FF3 off the mozilla ftp link in the OP but after the install I was redirected to the Thanks for testing this release candidate page. Not the final version after all?

    The webpage that it goes to is still the RC3 page. Once they've changed the webpage itself it'll make no mention of RC3. The downloads linked are the release versions because they're in the release directories.

    Ah ok thanks. Either way it seems nice and snappy. I wonder when the next version of Thunderbird will roll around?

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'm waiting for the official release. I tried downloading from the ftp, but I kept getting errors from my work connection.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    powersurge wrote: »
    Hrm I downloaded FF3 off the mozilla ftp link in the OP but after the install I was redirected to the Thanks for testing this release candidate page. Not the final version after all?

    It hasn't been officially released yet and won't be until 10AM Pacific time. So like, three more hours. Apparently, downloading from the FTP site doesn't count for the download record, either. Go to www.spreadfirefox.com to download it....I'm sure their servers will be hammered when it releases, though.

    I don't really understand the point of that, I mean.. they'll still see the downloads from their FTP server. It's not like they can't just point to the download logs as proof.

    EDIT: It is the official release ArcSyn, it will be bit for bit identical to the one they show on the website. It's just they've put it on their FTP server so the mirrors can pick it up. They do this every release. All the technically savvy users and mirrors grab it from the FTP. And then they put it up on the website for everybody else to download. At that point is when the mirrors come in handy because that's when the seriously heavy traffic appears.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Damn. Haven't seen any of the release note pages by default since last year (Ubuntu replaced the default, I switched back to Windows and Help > Release Notes will now forever display the release notes for Ubuntu 7.10 <_<).

    Seems faster than RC2, at least (didn't get RC3 because of laziness and a "malformed XML" error). Less of the hanging tabs so far. Always a good sign.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    So... I have RC3, can I just run the updater at 10, or do I need to download the new installer?

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    august wrote: »
    So... I have RC3, can I just run the updater at 10, or do I need to download the new installer?

    I think RC3 and the final release are identical, i'll tell you what.. i'll do a file compare.

    EDIT: Yep, RC3 and the release version are bit for bit identical. Looks like Mozilla was happy with RC3 that they promoted it to the release.

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  • KrizKriz Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    does anyone know how to tweak the interface scaling? I use large font size and a large (144DPI), and the old Firefox 2 UI scaled quite nicely. the zoom is ok, since it seems to remember the level I set it on, but the interface is just awkwardly huge.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I presume you'd have to make a userChrome.css (or modifying an existing one) in order to make it behave like Fx 2. You could probably compare the default themes between Fx 2 and Fx 3 to determine what the differences are in this respect. I have noticed, though, that even with the default DPI, the scrollbar scales along with the full page zoom.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Bah! All my mouse gestures are ruined! And I'm lazy. Going back to old Firefox now.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    powersurge wrote: »
    Hrm I downloaded FF3 off the mozilla ftp link in the OP but after the install I was redirected to the Thanks for testing this release candidate page. Not the final version after all?

    It hasn't been officially released yet and won't be until 10AM Pacific time. So like, three more hours. Apparently, downloading from the FTP site doesn't count for the download record, either. Go to www.spreadfirefox.com to download it....I'm sure their servers will be hammered when it releases, though.

    EDIT: It is the official release ArcSyn, it will be bit for bit identical to the one they show on the website. It's just they've put it on their FTP server so the mirrors can pick it up. They do this every release. All the technically savvy users and mirrors grab it from the FTP. And then they put it up on the website for everybody else to download. At that point is when the mirrors come in handy because that's when the seriously heavy traffic appears.

    I understand that, I'm just having trouble nabbing it from the FTP link at work. I was going to try the web one when it is put up and see if I have better luck.

    Also, since I'm running RC3, guess I'm running the full release already anyway. :)

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