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Malazan Book of the Fallen - Steven Erikson

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yeah. If you're talking about the Knight, the wikipedia article was not correct (I went ahead and fixed it), so you've got nothing to worry about there. It will contain spoilers though, so I suggest avoiding it. But just to make you feel better, addressing it directly -

    TBH spoilers:
    Trull in no way, shape, or form dies in The Bonehunters.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Good, because that dude is badass and is one of my 3 or 4 favorite characters

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Yeah. If you're talking about the Knight, the wikipedia article was not correct (I went ahead and fixed it), so you've got nothing to worry about there. It will contain spoilers though, so I suggest avoiding it. But just to make you feel better, addressing it directly -

    TBH spoilers:
    Trull in no way, shape, or form dies in The Bonehunters.

    That one below is huge if you haven't read all the books.
    Mmm....he does die in Reaper's Gale tho.

    zeeny on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    zeeny wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Yeah. If you're talking about the Knight, the wikipedia article was not correct (I went ahead and fixed it), so you've got nothing to worry about there. It will contain spoilers though, so I suggest avoiding it. But just to make you feel better, addressing it directly -

    TBH spoilers:
    Trull in no way, shape, or form dies in The Bonehunters.

    That one below is huge if you haven't read all the books.
    Mmm....he does die in Reaper's Gale tho.

    Yeah, don't read the above spoiler or this one if you haven't read Reaper's Gale.
    Yeah. and that's what makes the wiki error so delicious. I was 100% truthful and now he can still be shocked.

    I actually got that one spoilered myself. Someone made a passing comment to being surprised that none of the Sengars made it out of the book alive. I was all D: and just waited for it the whole book. I still hate the Errant for that scene

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Jragghen wrote: »
    zeeny wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Yeah. If you're talking about the Knight, the wikipedia article was not correct (I went ahead and fixed it), so you've got nothing to worry about there. It will contain spoilers though, so I suggest avoiding it. But just to make you feel better, addressing it directly -

    TBH spoilers:
    Trull in no way, shape, or form dies in The Bonehunters.

    That one below is huge if you haven't read all the books.
    Mmm....he does die in Reaper's Gale tho.

    Yeah, don't read the above OR BELOW spoiler or this one if you haven't read Reaper's Gale.
    Yeah. and that's what makes the wiki error so delicious. I was 100% truthful and now he can still be shocked.

    I actually got that one spoilered myself. Someone made a passing comment to being surprised that none of the Sengars made it out of the book alive. I was all D: and just waited for it the whole book. I still hate the Errant for that scene
    Sneaky;o)))

    Edit: Fixed because it seems we're into a circle...

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  • BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Just finished reading the first one, and it's not too bad. Gonna get the second one off Amazon and see how the series progresses.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    So I just finished Bonehunters and
    Kalam and Trull are the biggest badasses ever

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and read a few pages. It's kind of hard to go from ASOIAF (a massively popular, constantly bestselling series) to this and I want to know what I'm in for. What elements are similar and dissimilar between the two? I noticed that Malazan seems to have a lot more magic.

    I just hope I won't be disappointed, because I tend to compare most books I read these days to ASOIAF. :/

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and read a few pages. It's kind of hard to go from ASOIAF (a massively popular, constantly bestselling series) to this and I want to know what I'm in for. What elements are similar and dissimilar between the two? I noticed that Malazan seems to have a lot more magic.

    I just hope I won't be disappointed, because I tend to compare most books I read these days to ASOIAF. :/

    For what it's worth, I prefer this series to ASoIaF, but mostly because I got to MoI at the same time as AFFC, which leads to a skewed comparison.

    You are correct that there is more magic - massively so. The perspective of the plotline has much less to do with the rulers and more to do with the grunts/people on the front lines when compared to ASoIaF. Expect a much more...tangible world in that it has a deep and long history (Erikson was an archaeologist before becoming a writer and it shows). Expect very little explanations as to why things are - the people in the world take it for granted, and therefore don't inwardly reflect/explain to one another. This lends itself to less dead time in general, but it also can leave the reader confused. Expect lots of named characters to remember. Yes, more than ASoIaF. The Dramatis Personae for some of the novels easily breaks 100 characters, and only characters important to any specific novel are listed in it. Expect individual novels to be more disjoint - each novel sticks to one continent, but among the 7 books thus far, we've covered 3 continents and had a few others mentioned in passing that might pop up in later books.

    Also, have a healthy love for assassins. And lots of species with tusks.

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, Arya is probably my #1 favorite assassin ever, so I am intrigued. I can deal with remembering a lot of characters, that's not too hard.

    I don't really like the aspect of not explaining why things are, but I'll probably tolerate it.

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  • HandgimpHandgimp R+L=J Family PhotoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    It's not like you're being intentionally left in the dark, stuff's just not always spelled out for you in some neat internal dialogue. You get rewarded for paying attention.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, Arya is probably my #1 favorite assassin ever, so I am intrigued. I can deal with remembering a lot of characters, that's not too hard.

    I don't really like the aspect of not explaining why things are, but I'll probably tolerate it.

    There are at least 5-6 prominent assasins in various capacities throughout the books. I never noticed before, but they're certainly prevalent.
    A list (don't read it if you're just starting)
    Kalam
    Apsalar
    Cotillion
    Laseen
    Topper (I dunno if he actually kills people "onstage")
    Rake's lieutenant, I can't think of her name right now
    Cutter (he tries)
    Pearl

    It's not that he doesn't explain anything, it's that it's written like a movie. Erikson never goes out and expounds on history or magical theory or anything. You have to pick it up from the action and from the dialog.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    So I just finished Bonehunters and
    Kalam and Trull are the biggest badasses ever


    woah woah...all I'm going to say is...

    Sorry....you're wrong;o)

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and read a few pages. It's kind of hard to go from ASOIAF (a massively popular, constantly bestselling series) to this and I want to know what I'm in for. What elements are similar and dissimilar between the two? I noticed that Malazan seems to have a lot more magic.

    I just hope I won't be disappointed, because I tend to compare most books I read these days to ASOIAF. :/


    I'm not sure why you say that, but there is a huge overlapping between the ASOIF and the Malazan communities. Bakker, Erikson, Martin and now Lynch seem to attract pretty much the same crowd. And no, I'm not claiming the authors are similar or that you have to like all if you like one of them, but if you enjoy your fantasy high, that's about as high as it gets;o)

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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    zeeny wrote: »
    I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and read a few pages. It's kind of hard to go from ASOIAF (a massively popular, constantly bestselling series) to this and I want to know what I'm in for. What elements are similar and dissimilar between the two? I noticed that Malazan seems to have a lot more magic.

    I just hope I won't be disappointed, because I tend to compare most books I read these days to ASOIAF. :/


    I'm not sure why you say that, but there is a huge overlapping between the ASOIF and the Malazan communities. Bakker, Erikson, Martin and now Lynch seem to attract pretty much the same crowd. And no, I'm not claiming the authors are similar or that you have to like all if you like one of them, but if you enjoy your fantasy high, that's about as high as it gets;o)

    Well what I'm saying is that I've been ASOIAF'd out for a long ass time, so it's a big shift to go to a new epic series.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    zeeny wrote: »
    I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and read a few pages. It's kind of hard to go from ASOIAF (a massively popular, constantly bestselling series) to this and I want to know what I'm in for. What elements are similar and dissimilar between the two? I noticed that Malazan seems to have a lot more magic.

    I just hope I won't be disappointed, because I tend to compare most books I read these days to ASOIAF. :/


    I'm not sure why you say that, but there is a huge overlapping between the ASOIF and the Malazan communities. Bakker, Erikson, Martin and now Lynch seem to attract pretty much the same crowd. And no, I'm not claiming the authors are similar or that you have to like all if you like one of them, but if you enjoy your fantasy high, that's about as high as it gets;o)

    See, I haven't found myself able to get into Bakker, although most people I know that read all three prefer him out of the three.

    Haven't heard of this Lynch yet. Series?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    The thing is, those big 3 (Bakker, Martin and Erikson) all FEEL different. Their all very good, but each in their own way. And if your not a big fantasy fan to begin with, you may only like some of them. They each being something different to the genre.


    Lynch is also quite good. It's sort of like if Ocean's Eleven and ASOIAF had a love child.

    First book is The Lies of Locke Lamora and the second is Red Seas Under Red Skies.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    The thing is, those big 3 (Bakker, Martin and Erikson) all FEEL different. Their all very good, but each in their own way. And if your not a big fantasy fan to begin with, you may only like some of them. They each being something different to the genre.


    Lynch is also quite good. It's sort of like if Ocean's Eleven and ASOIAF had a love child.

    First book is The Lies of Locke Lamora and the second is Red Seas Under Red Skies.


    LOL, that's a very high spirited description.


    Jragghen wrote: »

    See, I haven't found myself able to get into Bakker, although most people I know that read all three prefer him out of the three.

    Haven't heard of this Lynch yet. Series?

    I'm not a big Bakker fan myself, I think he has a huge setting for a superb story that starts at a fast pace and then stalls to a semi-halt for a thousand pages.
    Lynch is not nearly as epic as the other three but is pretty fun to read. Give it a shot with the Lies of Locke Lamore.

    Edit: We should have a dedicated sci&fi & fantasy thread in D&D to bitch about new publications & old series....

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Jragghen wrote: »

    See, I haven't found myself able to get into Bakker, although most people I know that read all three prefer him out of the three.

    Haven't heard of this Lynch yet. Series?

    I'm not a big Bakker fan myself, I think he has a huge setting for a superb story that starts at a fast pace and then stalls to a semi-halt for a thousand pages.
    Lynch is not nearly as epic as the other three but is pretty fun to read. Give it a shot with the Lies of Locke Lamore.

    Edit: We should have a dedicated sci&fi & fantasy thread in D&D to bitch about new publications & old series....

    We used to, I thought. Might have been lost in the megathread purge.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    See, I haven't found myself able to get into Bakker, although most people I know that read all three prefer him out of the three.

    Haven't heard of this Lynch yet. Series?

    I'm not a big Bakker fan myself, I think he has a huge setting for a superb story that starts at a fast pace and then stalls to a semi-halt for a thousand pages.
    Lynch is not nearly as epic as the other three but is pretty fun to read. Give it a shot with the Lies of Locke Lamore.

    Edit: We should have a dedicated sci&fi & fantasy thread in D&D to bitch about new publications & old series....

    We used to, I thought. Might have been lost in the megathread purge.

    I shall ask the powers that be if we could reincarnate it.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Who is the undead dragon that keeps showing up in Deadhouse Gates and what is he/she up to? I can't remember.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I don't even remember that happening

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    It's a Bonecaster. Can't remember the name right now, but she's the first Bonecaster.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Oh her

    I kinda remember that now

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I just finished House of Chains, and I was wondering; is this scene on the cover art supposed to have happened in the book, or a future book?

    houseofchains_USA.jpg

    And I'm guessing it's
    Karsa
    on that cover?

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  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    zeeny wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The thing is, those big 3 (Bakker, Martin and Erikson) all FEEL different. Their all very good, but each in their own way. And if your not a big fantasy fan to begin with, you may only like some of them. They each being something different to the genre.


    Lynch is also quite good. It's sort of like if Ocean's Eleven and ASOIAF had a love child.

    First book is The Lies of Locke Lamora and the second is Red Seas Under Red Skies.


    LOL, that's a very high spirited description.


    Jragghen wrote: »

    See, I haven't found myself able to get into Bakker, although most people I know that read all three prefer him out of the three.

    Haven't heard of this Lynch yet. Series?

    I'm not a big Bakker fan myself, I think he has a huge setting for a superb story that starts at a fast pace and then stalls to a semi-halt for a thousand pages.
    Lynch is not nearly as epic as the other three but is pretty fun to read. Give it a shot with the Lies of Locke Lamore.

    Edit: We should have a dedicated sci&fi & fantasy thread in D&D to bitch about new publications & old series....

    I kinda lump The Name of the Wind in with these guys, too. Patrick Rothfuss is quite enjoyable.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Clevinger wrote: »
    I just finished House of Chains, and I was wondering; is this scene on the cover art supposed to have happened in the book, or a future book?

    houseofchains_USA.jpg

    And I'm guessing it's
    Karsa
    on that cover?

    Correct on the second point.

    As for the first, near as I can tell, it's supposed to be the same basic scene as the UK cover:

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    When Trull and Onrack come across the statues of the Deragoth and free two of them.

    The issue being of course that in the American cover there's more than two dogs attacking (instead of just being the massive statues). But that's just because by and large the American covers have always sucked. Not that the UK cover is much betterin this case.

    Now, if you're asking whether in any book there will be four gigantic dogs attacking some poor guy who's also gigantic while a (tiny) Karsa just happens to sit around with his sword positioned phallicly, then no.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, the American covers are stupid, ignore them. The monstrosity that are the Gardens of the Moon and the Memories of Ice covers should have clued you in to that.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    What's funny is that, technically, MoI is one of the better American covers. It looks horrifically generic, but it's one of the better matches to the scene that they've done.

    GotM is just generic fantasy fluff. DG is good. HoC has the problems that were mentioned. MT gets a scene kinda right, but was obviously drawn by a person who has no idea what Edur are supposed to look like (and there's other problems with the scene but they're spoilerific). TBH is actually a very good rendition of the scene, but is a poor choice of scene in general because it doesn't serve to attract readers very well.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Well yeah. DG is only good because they scrapped the original cover. I'll see if I can dig it up somewhere, but it was AWFUL, and the interweb fans complained so much they just decided to go with the UK/Canada cove (ie - the good one).

    MT isn't bad, I'd put it on par with MOI.

    BH is, like you said, a nice rendition of the scene. But why the hell would they use THAT scene? Makes no sense.

    And NONE of the Reaper's Gale coves I've seen look that good.

    EDIT:

    Found it! God, I mean, wtf is that?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Sha'ik, I presume. :P

    To be fair, the UK/Canada covers haven't been rosy for all the other books, either.

    Gardens of the Moon:
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    It's alright, but doesn't seem to pertain to any specific scene that I can think of. Also, the chopped version for the book cover doesn't look as nice as the entire picture.

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    Deadhouse Gates is Deadhouse gates.

    Memories of Ice:
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    Yeah. I don't like that one, really. Frankly, I prefer the US one. Yes, you heard me.

    House of Chains is shown above, and is alright, even if I would prefer to think of the Deragoth as being more menacing.

    Midnight Tides:
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    I really like this one. It's rather understated, but fits the novel well and was pretty much spot-on with how I imagined the Edur.

    The Bonehunters:
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    It works. Of course, it's got nothing on Randomhouse's cover.

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    And mad kudos to keeping to that artist for Reaper's Gale.
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    Love this one. Just seems...perfect.

    And for completeness's sake:

    Blood Follows:
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    I have:

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    The Healthy Dead:
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    I have:

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    Can't remember the third Korbal Broach and Bruchelain short story's title.

    Night of Knives:
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    Although I remember my copy as being...greener.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Is there any way to get Blood Follows and the Healthy Dead for reasonable prices?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd hold off. I don't know the name, but I do know they're binding all three of the Korbal Broach and Bauchelain stories into a single novel and selling them as a set. It was announced like....two weeks after my copies of the first two arrived.

    I was rather miffed.

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Is it that unreasonable from amazon? Seems about the same price as most other books (though granted it is a much shorter book - unless you count the pictures in Blood Follows as being 1000 words)

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Is it that unreasonable from amazon? Seems about the same price as most other books (though granted it is a much shorter book - unless you count the pictures in Blood Follows as being 1000 words)

    If I'm not mistaken, it was a relatively limited printing. The novellas cost almost as much (if not as much) as the full novels, especially when you consider that people in the States have to import them.

    If they get a printing in the US, I'd expect the price to drop.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Toll of the Hounds synopsis:
    "In Darujhistan, the city of blue fire, it is said that love and death shall arrive dancing. It is summer and the heat is oppressive, but for the small round man in the faded red waistcoat, discomfiture is not just because of the sun. All is not well. Dire portents plague his nights and haunt the city streets like fiends of shadow. Assassins skulk in alleyways, but the quarry has turned, the hunters become the hunted. Hidden hands pluck the strings of tyranny like a fell chorus, and strangers have arrived. While the bards sing their tragic tales somewhere in the distance can be heard the baying of Hounds...And in the distant city of Black Coral, where rules Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness, ancient crimes awaken, intent on revenge.It seems Love and Death are indeed about to arrive...hand in hand, dancing. A thrilling, harrowing novel of war, intrigue and dark, uncontrollable magic, "Toll the Hounds" is the new chapter in Erikson's monumental series - epic fantasy at its most imaginative and storytelling at its most exciting."

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Wonder if it'll actually be set just before Gardens of the Moon, possibly detailing my Rake and the Empire are at war. With the series current timeline who knows when its actually set

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Wonder if it'll actually be set just before Gardens of the Moon, possibly detailing my Rake and the Empire are at war. With the series current timeline who knows when its actually set
    And in the distant city of Black Coral

    That should answer your question. AFAIK, the only direction the timeline is going to move in Erikson's books from now on is forward. Only ICE will be jumping back & forth.

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Man, I've really been wanting to read the Malazan series for a while now. My fantasy book list is so long now it has rolled out my door and caused major accidents on the freeway five miles away.

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  • ShamusShamus Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    What I'm really looking forward to is finally learning about the Crimson Guard once ICE finishes writing it.

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