The reviews make it looks as if all my worst fears for the game have come true and a broad focus has become a lack of interest in any given stage. Its still a first day purchase, but I'm just so dissapointed that what should have been an amazing evolution game is just a hack and slash (creature phase) I hope someone takes their engine and produces a game which is actually about evolving exciting creatures and seeing how they stack up against each other.
Eh...I don't know what you were expecting. I don't see where the majority of your "fear" has been confirmed via the reviews. So you have four basic attacks...via the parts available, in the game, that makes sense. You can still have your epic evolutionary battles because the creature parts have LOADS more use than just aesthetic purposes. If you attack something big and nasty looking by yourself, you're probably going to die.
I don't read the reviews as a lack of focus. This isn't designed to be 5 complete games in one. This is designed to go from point A to B. Maxis, being the kings of wanting players to do whatever the hell they want, has decided you can skip to any point of the game pretty much whenever, but the appeal is to play it through, just like the reviews said. THAT being said, I must say that if you're a fan of X stage, the gameplay is going to appeal enough to you for that to be a worthwhile part.
I'm serious though, I mean, based on ANYTHING that they've been showing for the game for the past forever, where exactly did your expectation of anything other than a hack'n'slash come from? I mean, shit, with successive generations where you are gaining new parts and points by eating things and making friends, where is the evolution NOT there?
I'm happy beyond happy to hear that Cell stage decisions actually do make a difference later in the game. That's awesome, that's what they said would happen, so, cool.
The lengthier, PDF review gave it a 9. That's pretty damn good for essentially a sandbox game. You want to talk about a sandbox game that didn't live up to expectations (of players or of the devs), look no further than The Movies.
I didn't mean to write a dissertation defending the game, but I'm just confused about why your fears are fears and what in the blue hell led you to expect anything different. I'm also curious as to how you could expand on the Creature stage. I know that's a tough question to ask, but I'm asking what are things that they could add for the game to meet your expectations of "what it should have been."
I'm still wondering if it's possible, actually. I mean, the procedural animation and stuff is awesome, but I'm not sure the tech exists to give players complete freedom AND animate it realistically with appropriate attention paid to how the things would actually function. I think there would be a trade off involved, and because of my personal tastes, I would rather have near limitless creativity over a more realistic procedural sim any day because I could almost PROMISE you that the Sporepedia would be infinitely smaller than it currently is if they were going for total procedural realism.
Actually, I'd go as far as to say that such a game would NEVER be released because it seems like they have to account for and code for every possibility.
Anywho...so, this comes out in like...two weeks. How fucking awesome is that?
Any thoughts on whether Best Buy would be obligated to honor their previously posted $59.99 price?
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That's so mighty fine creature creatin' you did there, Lou.
The initial announcement of the game made it look like evolution stage, not space stage was the major focus of the game, and it was only very recently (creature creator release) when I realized that effectively you have no real evolutionary decisions to make at all. Part A is simply better than Part B, so there is no choice between using A or using B. The only decision to make might be say, speed, or jaws at this stage, but then at the end of it all you will always be best off with speed and jaws.
Look at the conversations in earlier threads. People wax lyrical about creating giant creatures, or creating symbiotic partnerships. THey talk about different eco systems and the sort of creatures they would favor, all features that the evolution focused game which spore always looked like it was going to be would have had.
My hope is that the sandbox mode (space) brings back a bit of complexity and experimentation
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Have you tried the prototype space sim with colonization and species transfer? Some of those planets are -very- hard to get to support life. I'm foaming at the mouth for the day to come when I can activate my game (yay Direct2Drive pre-downloading) and blaze through the first fiddly bits to get to space and start exploring and colonizing (and obliterating... You declared war on me? how about living on an ocean planet? yay comets!)
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I'm hoping the making of DVD has at least 12 hours of footage on it. Each Lord of the Rings DVD had at least 8-12 hours worth of making of footage, and they only worked on that movie for a year or two, Spore was in the works for 7 years, and Will Wright always has something to talk about.
Have you tried the prototype space sim with colonization and species transfer? Some of those planets are -very- hard to get to support life. I'm foaming at the mouth for the day to come when I can activate my game (yay Direct2Drive pre-downloading) and blaze through the first fiddly bits to get to space and start exploring and colonizing (and obliterating... You declared war on me? how about living on an ocean planet? yay comets!)
Where do you get the D2D from? Ordering directly from EA?
I just wonder if in Space Stage that when you are at war with another civ, when you are fighting a planet of theirs you invade it and go back to the "civ" stage to take over their cities. I'm kind of getting that vibe from some of the reviews, so I'm still holding out hope. I really don't want to just fly around in a space ship and blow planets up.
I just wonder if in Space Stage that when you are at war with another civ, when you are fighting a planet of theirs you invade it and go back to the "civ" stage to take over their cities. I'm kind of getting that vibe from some of the reviews, so I'm still holding out hope. I really don't want to just fly around in a space ship and blow planets up.
You can place colonies but I'm not sure if you can place colonies on a planet inhabited by another civilization, but only because I don't recall hearing otherwise.
I just wonder if in Space Stage that when you are at war with another civ, when you are fighting a planet of theirs you invade it and go back to the "civ" stage to take over their cities. I'm kind of getting that vibe from some of the reviews, so I'm still holding out hope. I really don't want to just fly around in a space ship and blow planets up.
You can place colonies but I'm not sure if you can place colonies on a planet inhabited by another civilization, but only because I don't recall hearing otherwise.
Also, it seems like you don't get to directly control your colonies as you would your cities in the civ stage, but instead they serve to send you resources from the planet that they're on.
Guys wasn't there some talk of EA offering a discount to people who bought the creature creator through their online store? I can't find any official reference to it now
Guys wasn't there some talk of EA offering a discount to people who bought the creature creator through their online store? I can't find any official reference to it now
They did, I got an email with the discount code a week after buying it.
Hmm... I thought it would have been cool if space ended up being kind of a culmination of all the past stages where it made sense. IE as you were trying to conquer a planet, it'd revert back to the civ stage and went full blown RTS on you. As you were trying to cultivate planets let you go back to the cell stage and tribal stages to engineer your own evil alien empires to rule the galaxy kind of things...
I'm surprised there hasn't been too much outlash against Spore by fundamentalist creationists. I don't want to start a debate about the topic itself here, but isn't anyone else surprised that there hasn't been seemingly any sort of "ban the game" calls from the offended sort. Maybe there is, but I just haven't seen it.
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I'm kind of worried about the "end-game" for this. I mean, the concepts are cool, but what happens after you've built up your species and their societies, conquered a few planets and such? What's next? Start over with a new species? That's cool, I mean there are so many ways you can take your creations, but how long before that gets old? I'm kinda worried about that since I'm the type that gets bored quickly, and has to move on. I guess it still won't keep me from buying this game even if I have to do shameful things to afford it.
Operator, there was an interview with Will Wright on Eurogamer, where he said that the most objection he'd got for the game was actually from zealous atheists proclaiming that it was wrong to preach any form of intelligent design or whatever. The religious side has apparently been far quieter by comparison.
I'm surprised there hasn't been too much outlash against Spore by fundamentalist creationists. I don't want to start a debate about the topic itself here, but isn't anyone else surprised that there hasn't been seemingly any sort of "ban the game" calls from the offended sort. Maybe there is, but I just haven't seen it.
Operator, there was an interview with Will Wright on Eurogamer, where he said that the most objection he'd got for the game was actually from zealous atheists proclaiming that it was wrong to preach any form of intelligent design or whatever. The religious side has apparently been far quieter by comparison.
Wow, that's interesting-- but really great news! I'm just afraid that Spore might get bad publicity because of its evolutionary-related themes, and I can't help but think of how the mainstream media would pick it up and add more bad publicity. EA can handle the PR war, I'm sure, but I'm tired of seeing this sort of crap about video games.
You know all those sexually explicit Spore creatures you bastards have created? Will Wright is impressed.
With Wright's design philosophy of giving gamers tools, sticking them in a situation, and then seeing what happens in full effect, it didn't take long before nipple-covered monstrosities began to flood the online compendium. However, given that the game is targeted at mass-market audiences, EA quickly stepped in, saying that it would censor all creatures that fell into the so-called "Sporn" phylum.
So how does Wright feel about players flooding his latest game with lewd content? "When you give players creative control, you have to expect they're going to do the unexpected," the celebrity designer told the Associated Press. "Some of it's really good for what they were shooting for. It's amazingly explicit, especially when those creations are animated. We just have to make sure those people aren't messing up the experience for others."
I'm surprised there hasn't been too much outlash against Spore by fundamentalist creationists. I don't want to start a debate about the topic itself here, but isn't anyone else surprised that there hasn't been seemingly any sort of "ban the game" calls from the offended sort. Maybe there is, but I just haven't seen it.
Technically, the game is all about "intelligent design".
Intelligent design is where god guided evolution (like you in Spore), not where everything popped up fully formed.
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The initial announcement of the game made it look like evolution stage, not space stage was the major focus of the game, and it was only very recently (creature creator release) when I realized that effectively you have no real evolutionary decisions to make at all. Part A is simply better than Part B, so there is no choice between using A or using B. The only decision to make might be say, speed, or jaws at this stage, but then at the end of it all you will always be best off with speed and jaws.
Look at the conversations in earlier threads. People wax lyrical about creating giant creatures, or creating symbiotic partnerships. THey talk about different eco systems and the sort of creatures they would favor, all features that the evolution focused game which spore always looked like it was going to be would have had.
My hope is that the sandbox mode (space) brings back a bit of complexity and experimentation
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Where do you get the D2D from? Ordering directly from EA?
Edit: Oh, it's a website.
link to first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eha8DhChSOQ&feature=related
You can follow the links to the next ones from there. Neato stuff, still watching!
Well I checked with EB a couple of days ago and they assured me they would have it for me on the 7th, even though that's a Sunday.
EB Games??? Ewww......
I had credit for a free game. actually bought it back last May.
That's what it looks like. 2 days seems like so long
You can place colonies but I'm not sure if you can place colonies on a planet inhabited by another civilization, but only because I don't recall hearing otherwise.
Also, it seems like you don't get to directly control your colonies as you would your cities in the civ stage, but instead they serve to send you resources from the planet that they're on.
oh god I am not good at battlefield
Final boss battle! (joke... maybe?)
I am a freaking nerd.
Boom boom, boom boom, boom boom, boom boom... Duuuunnn... Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuun... Duuuuuunnn... DUN DUN!!!
Boom boom, boom boom, boom boom, boom boom... etc.
Of course... that comes at the beginning and would probably be more suitable for civ stage... but the music is appropriate.
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They did, I got an email with the discount code a week after buying it.
http://www.spore.com/comm/prototypes
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I'm kind of worried about the "end-game" for this. I mean, the concepts are cool, but what happens after you've built up your species and their societies, conquered a few planets and such? What's next? Start over with a new species? That's cool, I mean there are so many ways you can take your creations, but how long before that gets old? I'm kinda worried about that since I'm the type that gets bored quickly, and has to move on. I guess it still won't keep me from buying this game even if I have to do shameful things to afford it.
I never expected there to be any.
Wow, that's interesting-- but really great news! I'm just afraid that Spore might get bad publicity because of its evolutionary-related themes, and I can't help but think of how the mainstream media would pick it up and add more bad publicity. EA can handle the PR war, I'm sure, but I'm tired of seeing this sort of crap about video games.
Good news indeed. Let's hope it stays quiet.
You'll get to play it on the 7th.
But anyway, Spore's coming out in a week.
Yes.
this interview is exactly why spore is awesome.
so many :^: :^: :^: :^: to the design team.
I've been waiting so long for Spore that it almost seems unreal that it's done and ready to ship in a week.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26566139&tag=;title;1
Technically, the game is all about "intelligent design".
Intelligent design is where god guided evolution (like you in Spore), not where everything popped up fully formed.
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How bad is the EA copy protection stuff from the online store; annoying, unnoticeable, or not bad?
I think it is the same as the regular edition's copy protection. Make sure to back it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EA_Link#Criticism