When you're immobile on the ground, subject to a TKO, does the shine method or buttonmashing or anything make you recover any faster? Or is it just a matter of hoping the opponent's too slow to capitalize?
Crazy question: does damaging a particular body part make it easier to submit someone if the submission attempt is on that limb? Like say you damage a guy's arm, then went for an armbar - would that submission be easier to pull off than the same thing without the injured arm?
I actually have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if that helps. I find it is just as easy to let the guy drain his stamina by failing transitions on you 6 or 7 times then going for the sub.
Crazy question: does damaging a particular body part make it easier to submit someone if the submission attempt is on that limb? Like say you damage a guy's arm, then went for an armbar - would that submission be easier to pull off than the same thing without the injured arm?
I actually have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if that helps. I find it is just as easy to let the guy drain his stamina by failing transitions on you 6 or 7 times then going for the sub.
Yeah, that's how I've been trying it as well. I think I'm beginning to figure it out. I actually submitted Rashad Evans with a triangle choke last night. I'm trying to work my way up to getting a Submission of the Night award.
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OK so I got this game last weekend, and I am totally digging it. I love the play-by-play and how they get excited as one guy looks to go down.
I know pretty much nothing about the current UFC. I was a fan back in the days of Tito Ortiz (who can die in a fire) and Frank Shamrock, but I haven't watched it for a long time. But this game might just get me back into it.
So I am not sure who is who right now, all I know is last night I finally won the belt but ended up losing it during my second title defense. Some really big black guy just straight up knocked me the Hell out with two left hooks, so I trained like crazy to get my belt back. By the time I get another shot some dude named Thigo (sp?) Silva has it. So we go at it and we are both hurting, ready to go down to a flash KO at any moment.
So I hit the RB and go to throw a jab, cause I am a kickboxer I get these sweet jabs while hitting RB. But I judged the distance wrong and I go for the spinning back fist rather than a jab. WHAM! I got lucky and caught him right on the chin, KO! And the belt is back where it belongs. Freaking sweet! I love the Flash KOs because you never can tell when you or your foe is going to go down. It really adds drama to the match.
So yeah, I am in love with this game and will buy the next game in the series on day one.
Gamercard is in the sig, if anyone wants to pad their wins cause I have never fought anyone online yet.
Gamercard is in the sig, if anyone wants to pad their wins cause I have never fought anyone online yet.
I advise learning to become awesome on the ground. It isn't that people are cheap, but it is a really complex system and it shows who the pros/joes are when it comes to fighting online. My GamerTag it in my sig, feel free to add me and message me if you want to learn some things
Gamercard is in the sig, if anyone wants to pad their wins cause I have never fought anyone online yet.
I advise learning to become awesome on the ground. It isn't that people are cheap, but it is a really complex system and it shows who the pros/joes are when it comes to fighting online. My GamerTag it in my sig, feel free to add me and message me if you want to learn some things
But the ground game is for wimps! Stand up and fight like a man!:P
My ground game is OK, it is pretty much made up of moves that get me the hell off the ground and back to standing up so I can punch you in the face some more.
Crazy question: does damaging a particular body part make it easier to submit someone if the submission attempt is on that limb? Like say you damage a guy's arm, then went for an armbar - would that submission be easier to pull off than the same thing without the injured arm?
I actually have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if that helps. I find it is just as easy to let the guy drain his stamina by failing transitions on you 6 or 7 times then going for the sub.
It should but I doubt it does. Being grayed out doesn't seem to effect transitions or submission escapes. And the messed up thing about the transition attempts tiring you out is you often have no choice. If I am mounted I know I need to get the fuck out of there or else my face will be fragmented pretty soon. But if I fail to transition 2 or 3 times I've extremely vulnerable to an arm bar from mount, which seems to be the easiest submission to finish other than triangle from mount which I think is a transition reversal and inescapable.
The moral? Don't get mounted. Also, try to get mount.
But the ground game is for wimps! Stand up and fight like a man!:P
My ground game is OK, it is pretty much made up of moves that get me the hell off the ground and back to standing up so I can punch you in the face some more.
So yeah, I might need a little work.
The above is the problem to that though. Its much easier to hold someone down than to get back up and if you fail transitions you drain your stamina. If you gas yourself trying to escape you are wide open for a submission. I've only had a handful of fights online that wasn't at least 50+% on the ground and a large majority of the ranked matches I've been in have ended on the ground.
Who here plays with the stamina bar on? I haven't touched the options menu, so I have never used it.
And yes, a ton of fights end on the ground. I am one of those people who like to get full mount. I also fucking hate getting full mounted. Now I know what it feels like when I get full mount on people. Not fun.
I don't use the stamina bar. I don't know, I don't feel like it's necessary. Sure, if you use it you can better gauge when to to attempt a sub, but I like it better by gauging the situation myself.
Most people say to stand up and fight because it's "manly." This is MMA. If all you want is striking then box. You have awesome strikers in the game, but I like going to the ground and completely controlling my opponent. It is also a slight ego boost when my opponent always tries to get back up immediately... whether he is on the bottom or top.
This game is sick but I am so horrible on the ground. In career on my second 185lber I still can't get my ground stance to level 2 (judo currently) I pretty much kick everyones head off for knock outs every fight since I can't get the hang of most of the ground game.
Quick question. How do you submit? I can get them in the hold but they always get out.
Me, I ground and pound and use submission as a backup in case the transition from my full mount. Basically, your opponent needs to be weak (or suck at button mashing/right analog spinning). I am pretty sure if you get them on the ground, block their transitions so that they get tired. After awhile, get to subbing them.
Push in the right analog and then rotate that sob. That is how I do it. Button mashing is meh to me in this game. I am all about the right analog spinning.
Quick question. How do you submit? I can get them in the hold but they always get out.
Me, I ground and pound and use submission as a backup in case the transition from my full mount. Basically, your opponent needs to be weak (or suck at button mashing/right analog spinning). I am pretty sure if you get them on the ground, block their transitions so that they get tired. After awhile, get to subbing them.
Push in the right analog and then rotate that sob. That is how I do it. Button mashing is meh to me in this game. I am all about the right analog spinning.
Quick question. How do you submit? I can get them in the hold but they always get out.
Me, I ground and pound and use submission as a backup in case the transition from my full mount. Basically, your opponent needs to be weak (or suck at button mashing/right analog spinning). I am pretty sure if you get them on the ground, block their transitions so that they get tired. After awhile, get to subbing them.
Push in the right analog and then rotate that sob. That is how I do it. Button mashing is meh to me in this game. I am all about the right analog spinning.
I always rotate the stick to make/stuff takedowns and to make sub attempts. If you are Brock Lesnar and you are getting subbed, you want to mash button to use strength instead of technique.
Does draining stamina to get subs work against the CPU too? I'd been reading about how it was good against people but that it didn't matter much against the CPU. My lone Submission win against the CPU (not in training or sparring) was a RNC on Dan Henderson in round 4 of my MW title win. So satisfying but I want more now! Especially when I got rubber guard and can do triangle chokes, flying armbars and north/south chokes.
Does draining stamina to get subs work against the CPU too? I'd been reading about how it was good against people but that it didn't matter much against the CPU. My lone Submission win against the CPU (not in training or sparring) was a RNC on Dan Henderson in round 4 of my MW title win. So satisfying but I want more now! Especially when I got rubber guard and can do triangle chokes, flying armbars and north/south chokes.
Dan Henderson is the ONLY fighter in the game at 185 I have yet to beat (unless new fighters show up when you win the title). He seriously took 12 clean head kicks in 1 round of a fight I had with him (with 95 standing kick str mind you and 80 str) I really don't know what I have to do to knock him out, he eats shot after shot and then gets me with a submission or random knock out out of no where. The fights end up looking like some sort of old school Stone Cold Steve Austin wrestling matches. Hendo is walking around looking like he's been beaten in the head with a frying pan for 10 minutes then suddenly its takedown to submission and a victory after 4 rounds of getting roughed up.
I just took a look at how I do in the various weight classes. Middle or welter would be my tourney preference, I actually have losing records in every other weight class o_O
So I'm Hughes and the other guy is GSP. Except he's 1-15. I think to myself, here's my chance to win a gold medal. I sit on his chest and almost tap him out. As in extremely close. I should have waited one or two more transition blocks. Then I try to get him down to 30%, which was only a problem with his legs. Until he countered a leg kick with a high kick and knocked me out.
So I'm Hughes and the other guy is GSP. Except he's 1-15. I think to myself, here's my chance to win a gold medal. I sit on his chest and almost tap him out. As in extremely close. I should have waited one or two more transition blocks. Then I try to get him down to 30%, which was only a problem with his legs. Until he countered a leg kick with a high kick and knocked me out.
Stupid!
More like bad luck. It's a shame, but trust me... it sucks to get hit hard with a counter. Ask redfield, he saw me get kicked in the mouth when I was going to throw a ducking hook.
So i've been going through career mode lately just because I'm sick of playing laggy matches where I either get quit on or turbo submitted.
I made Hong Man Choi (or at least as close as I could get). First UFN fight, KO of the night. Elbow to the face, screen black and white. While he's staggering backwards kick to the head. I actually stood up and shouted. If they could fix the net code and the quitting problems this would be the greatest game ever.
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My god. I cant do crap on the ground. does direction of rotation matter?
When they are just tapping the strike button, what are my options?
Im striking and they transition through it when I'm on top? Whats the couter to a transition?
All of this is massively frustrating as I rape the CPU on the ground.
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Transition block is holding the right analog to the side. Do you know the difference between major and minor transitions? Is that what you mean by direction? Left and right don't really matter but up and down does
You don't have to minor before major, in each position a minor transition and a major transition and up and down are often different and each can bring you to a new position. For instance, when in half guard on top, a minor transition (down rotating to the side) is for posturing up, while a major transition upwards is to side control. From side control, a minor transition up brings you to north south (I believe up and down are the same) while a major brings you to mount. From mount a major is up posturing and a minor is back to side control.
The same applies when you're down. In the guard, a minor changes between holding the guy on top down or allowing him to posture up. A major from postured up kicks him off but a minor pulls him down.
This doesn't take into account special transitions which are only available in certain positions depending on your grappling school
And the success of a transition vs a block is completely dependent on stats and stamina.
The expert option is to perform a reversal though. During a transition, flick your right stick left or right at the right moment to reverse them into a superior position for you.
So I was having serious trouble with my ground game after getting the game and trying my hand at Career mode. It's been steadily improving after ditching the career mode in favor or a roster run through in exhibition but while I now no longer panic when I'm taken down and I can reversal pretty well my submission game is all but non-existent. When I try to have my opponent tap out they always end up reversing me and while I can often brute my way out of a submission hold getting a technical just ends up with a lost fight and a mario party palm. Any tips would be welcome.
There is a serious lack of pure Judo fighters in real life. Some have some decent Judo take downs but overall they are more BJJ or Wrestling.
Shame as I prefer Judo over both as a pure sport. Also I seem to recall there was some pretty fierce judo fighters in the early days of UFC elbowing and kneeing the head at the same time.
I hear you. I used to love Judo tossing people when I used to take Krav and we would do fight class. A lot of fighters these days don't use that very much, if at all.
Dan Henderson is the ONLY fighter in the game at 185 I have yet to beat (unless new fighters show up when you win the title). He seriously took 12 clean head kicks in 1 round of a fight I had with him (with 95 standing kick str mind you and 80 str) I really don't know what I have to do to knock him out, he eats shot after shot and then gets me with a submission or random knock out out of no where. The fights end up looking like some sort of old school Stone Cold Steve Austin wrestling matches. Hendo is walking around looking like he's been beaten in the head with a frying pan for 10 minutes then suddenly its takedown to submission and a victory after 4 rounds of getting roughed up.
What is your ground style? I think at least level 2 BJJ is needed for this one(Haven't used Judo yet).
He took me down, mounted and KO'ed me in our first fight. He beat me a second time by submission. In our last fight I stuffed his bitchass takedowns and got back mount with a body triangle. The RNC seemed to go easy and he tapped. I wasn't using the stamina bar yet, but it was round 4 I think and he had to be worn out from the stuffed TD's and getting worked on the ground.
Hah my first online match had a great result: I pick Machida, he picks Evans. He comes in with power punches, I land a few weaks body shots, and shoot. He counters, and then grapples me, double underhook. I resist his big slam, pulling him into a guillotine.
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I honestly haven't noticed a difference.
I actually have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if that helps. I find it is just as easy to let the guy drain his stamina by failing transitions on you 6 or 7 times then going for the sub.
Yeah, that's how I've been trying it as well. I think I'm beginning to figure it out. I actually submitted Rashad Evans with a triangle choke last night. I'm trying to work my way up to getting a Submission of the Night award.
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I know pretty much nothing about the current UFC. I was a fan back in the days of Tito Ortiz (who can die in a fire) and Frank Shamrock, but I haven't watched it for a long time. But this game might just get me back into it.
So I am not sure who is who right now, all I know is last night I finally won the belt but ended up losing it during my second title defense. Some really big black guy just straight up knocked me the Hell out with two left hooks, so I trained like crazy to get my belt back. By the time I get another shot some dude named Thigo (sp?) Silva has it. So we go at it and we are both hurting, ready to go down to a flash KO at any moment.
So I hit the RB and go to throw a jab, cause I am a kickboxer I get these sweet jabs while hitting RB. But I judged the distance wrong and I go for the spinning back fist rather than a jab. WHAM! I got lucky and caught him right on the chin, KO! And the belt is back where it belongs. Freaking sweet! I love the Flash KOs because you never can tell when you or your foe is going to go down. It really adds drama to the match.
So yeah, I am in love with this game and will buy the next game in the series on day one.
Gamercard is in the sig, if anyone wants to pad their wins cause I have never fought anyone online yet.
I advise learning to become awesome on the ground. It isn't that people are cheap, but it is a really complex system and it shows who the pros/joes are when it comes to fighting online. My GamerTag it in my sig, feel free to add me and message me if you want to learn some things
But the ground game is for wimps! Stand up and fight like a man!:P
My ground game is OK, it is pretty much made up of moves that get me the hell off the ground and back to standing up so I can punch you in the face some more.
So yeah, I might need a little work.
It should but I doubt it does. Being grayed out doesn't seem to effect transitions or submission escapes. And the messed up thing about the transition attempts tiring you out is you often have no choice. If I am mounted I know I need to get the fuck out of there or else my face will be fragmented pretty soon. But if I fail to transition 2 or 3 times I've extremely vulnerable to an arm bar from mount, which seems to be the easiest submission to finish other than triangle from mount which I think is a transition reversal and inescapable.
The moral? Don't get mounted. Also, try to get mount.
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The above is the problem to that though. Its much easier to hold someone down than to get back up and if you fail transitions you drain your stamina. If you gas yourself trying to escape you are wide open for a submission. I've only had a handful of fights online that wasn't at least 50+% on the ground and a large majority of the ranked matches I've been in have ended on the ground.
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And yes, a ton of fights end on the ground. I am one of those people who like to get full mount. I also fucking hate getting full mounted. Now I know what it feels like when I get full mount on people. Not fun.
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Most people say to stand up and fight because it's "manly." This is MMA. If all you want is striking then box. You have awesome strikers in the game, but I like going to the ground and completely controlling my opponent. It is also a slight ego boost when my opponent always tries to get back up immediately... whether he is on the bottom or top.
Me, I ground and pound and use submission as a backup in case the transition from my full mount. Basically, your opponent needs to be weak (or suck at button mashing/right analog spinning). I am pretty sure if you get them on the ground, block their transitions so that they get tired. After awhile, get to subbing them.
Push in the right analog and then rotate that sob. That is how I do it. Button mashing is meh to me in this game. I am all about the right analog spinning.
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You are right. That was damn satisfying.
I always rotate the stick to make/stuff takedowns and to make sub attempts. If you are Brock Lesnar and you are getting subbed, you want to mash button to use strength instead of technique.
Stick = Technique
Buttons = Strength
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Dan Henderson is the ONLY fighter in the game at 185 I have yet to beat (unless new fighters show up when you win the title). He seriously took 12 clean head kicks in 1 round of a fight I had with him (with 95 standing kick str mind you and 80 str) I really don't know what I have to do to knock him out, he eats shot after shot and then gets me with a submission or random knock out out of no where. The fights end up looking like some sort of old school Stone Cold Steve Austin wrestling matches. Hendo is walking around looking like he's been beaten in the head with a frying pan for 10 minutes then suddenly its takedown to submission and a victory after 4 rounds of getting roughed up.
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Stupid!
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More like bad luck. It's a shame, but trust me... it sucks to get hit hard with a counter. Ask redfield, he saw me get kicked in the mouth when I was going to throw a ducking hook.
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I made Hong Man Choi (or at least as close as I could get). First UFN fight, KO of the night. Elbow to the face, screen black and white. While he's staggering backwards kick to the head. I actually stood up and shouted. If they could fix the net code and the quitting problems this would be the greatest game ever.
When they are just tapping the strike button, what are my options?
Im striking and they transition through it when I'm on top? Whats the couter to a transition?
All of this is massively frustrating as I rape the CPU on the ground.
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You are on your back, opponrnt in side control. Is that up or down?
The same applies when you're down. In the guard, a minor changes between holding the guy on top down or allowing him to posture up. A major from postured up kicks him off but a minor pulls him down.
This doesn't take into account special transitions which are only available in certain positions depending on your grappling school
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The expert option is to perform a reversal though. During a transition, flick your right stick left or right at the right moment to reverse them into a superior position for you.
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total matches 216
100 wins (61 KO, 4 TKO, 29 sub, 6 decision)
79 losses
1 draw
36 quitters
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Also, why the serious lack of Judo fighters?
There is a serious lack of pure Judo fighters in real life. Some have some decent Judo take downs but overall they are more BJJ or Wrestling.
Shame as I prefer Judo over both as a pure sport. Also I seem to recall there was some pretty fierce judo fighters in the early days of UFC elbowing and kneeing the head at the same time.
What is your ground style? I think at least level 2 BJJ is needed for this one(Haven't used Judo yet).
Dan Henderson is notorious for being extremely tough and has never been knocked out or TKO'ed in real life. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dan-Henderson-195
He took me down, mounted and KO'ed me in our first fight. He beat me a second time by submission. In our last fight I stuffed his bitchass takedowns and got back mount with a body triangle. The RNC seemed to go easy and he tapped. I wasn't using the stamina bar yet, but it was round 4 I think and he had to be worn out from the stuffed TD's and getting worked on the ground.
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Submission victory, 1:46 of the first round.
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I also want to kick you in the mouth in this game.
I would also like to note, I did not say I will win. I just want to kick you in the face.
Awesome! The battle is on. I'll find you sometime in the near future. I am moving tomorrow and don't know when I'll be getting cable :P
Also anyone interested in setting up a UFC paperview(via xbox live)
Let me know. I think I will do a random drawing for all those of interested of what the fight cards would look like?
Fine. I will work on the league. You just had to nudge me a little. :P
I asked what division and got like three answers. Once more people chime in we can start drafting for fighters.
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Heavyweight - 16
Light Heavyweight - 21
Middleweight - 18
Welterweight - 20
Lightweight - 19
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