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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    to "whinge" is to moan and to be a "tosser" is to be preoccupied with the art of self-abuse

    Tube on
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    trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    to "whinge" is to moan and to be a "tosser" is to be preoccupied with the art of self-abuse

    Wow.

    I think I just learned something.

    I thought "Tosser" meant someone that masturbates and then tosses their ejaculate onto something.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    there are some organizations in the US

    in particular the MPAA and the RIAA

    whcih pretty much behave exactly like criminal organizations

    but nobody has the gumption to call them out on it

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    Tube on
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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2008
    trentsteel wrote: »
    to "whinge" is to moan and to be a "tosser" is to be preoccupied with the art of self-abuse

    Wow.

    I think I just learned something.

    I thought "Tosser" meant someone that masturbates and then tosses their ejaculate onto something.
    it pretty much tosses itself

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    trentsteel wrote: »
    to "whinge" is to moan and to be a "tosser" is to be preoccupied with the art of self-abuse

    Wow.

    I think I just learned something.

    I thought "Tosser" meant someone that masturbates and then tosses their ejaculate onto something.

    Like any slang it's difficult to really explain the fundamental difference between someone being a tosser and someone being say, a dickhead or a tool.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    Pony on
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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    Tube on
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    there are some organizations in the US

    in particular the MPAA and the RIAA

    whcih pretty much behave exactly like criminal organizations

    but nobody has the gumption to call them out on it

    nobody in power does, seeing as they are a massive lobby group and grease too many palms

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    Triple BTriple B Bastard of the North MARegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    you will abide pony

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You know, they might have more money if they didn't keep spending it on bribes.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Triple B wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    you will abide pony

    shut up you fucking tool

    Pony on
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    Triple BTriple B Bastard of the North MARegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Triple B wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    you will abide pony

    shut up you fucking tool

    stop extorting me

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    MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Hey guys.

    I work for Safenet.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    They aren't technically threatening these radio stations but they are defaming and slandering them as pirates for not paying them for nothing.

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    MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This will all be moot in 5 years when there are no more major recording labels.

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Monkeybomb wrote: »
    This will all be moot in 5 years when there are no more major recording labels.

    hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

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    MonkeybombMonkeybomb Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I know, right.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited June 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    They aren't technically threatening these radio stations but they are defaming and slandering them as pirates for not paying them for nothing.

    slander and defamation are not RICO predicates.

    Tube on
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    BomanTheBearBomanTheBear Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Casper wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    What the hell?

    I thought the radio ALREADY paid royalties?

    I know bars and stuff do.
    they do

    read the stuff at the top of this page, it'll clarify the interestingly-worded article

    HA-HA-HA!

    now that sucks. what a bad time to be top of page.

    haha, nice fail, me

    I DON'T TAKE IT BACK

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    They aren't technically threatening these radio stations but they are defaming and slandering them as pirates for not paying them for nothing.

    extortion certainly isn't the ex parte John Doe lawsuits the RIAA is filing en masse against people on whom the RIAA kinda-sorta has evidence consisting of easily editable screenshots pasted into MS Paint of IP addresses downloading Miley Cyrus' latest album and "offering" said people a "way out" by paying a slickly predetermined settlement payment.

    yeah, that's not extortion at all.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    They aren't technically threatening these radio stations but they are defaming and slandering them as pirates for not paying them for nothing.

    extortion certainly isn't the ex parte John Doe lawsuits the RIAA is filing en masse against people on whom the RIAA kinda-sorta has evidence consisting of easily editable screenshots pasted into MS Paint of IP addresses downloading Miley Cyrus' latest album and "offering" said people a "way out" by paying a slickly predetermined settlement payment.

    yeah, that's not extortion at all.

    thank you

    i was gonna bring up the limewire stuff but i couldn't find a decent article to source

    Pony on
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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    They aren't technically threatening these radio stations but they are defaming and slandering them as pirates for not paying them for nothing.

    extortion certainly isn't the ex parte John Doe lawsuits the RIAA is filing en masse against people on whom the RIAA kinda-sorta has evidence consisting of easily editable screenshots pasted into MS Paint of IP addresses downloading Miley Cyrus' latest album and "offering" said people a "way out" by paying a slickly predetermined settlement payment.

    yeah, that's not extortion at all.

    thank you

    i was gonna bring up the limewire stuff but i couldn't find a decent article to source

    i forgot to mention that the majority of people nowadays are entirely comfortable with the legal process and have no qualms facing down high-powered, exorbitantly-paid RIAA attorneys either on their own or through retaining wholly-affordable, competent attorneys of their own.

    if you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about, right?

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ff you are as intelligent as you are dashingly handsome

    Pony on
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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Knob wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

    what the fuck is wrong with .99 cents per track

    how the fuck is that too much to pay

    It's as much or more than the price of CDs.

    I've got some 18 track CDs that I have paid 15.99 for back here.

    and you can get 100 gospel greats from late night tv ads for $24.99

    no one's actually gonna fucking seriously advocate pricing based on song length, are they

    Blink 182 would have starved.

    No, I'm talking about the amount of songs, not length of each song.

    once again, a full album on itunes is $9.99, regardless of how many tracks

    .99 cents per song is just the price if you're cherry picking
    plus tax. dunno about you but Apple charges sales tax in CA... So more like $10.75, and some albums are $11-12.

    I think $10ish per album is okay, if you only consider the price, the problem is what you are getting for that $10, which is compressed garbage DRM-locked to Apple only downloads with no physical backup and if your HD crashes you're fucked and if Apple goes out of business or whatever you can't listen to your music any more.

    Even if you have to pay $1-2 more for the same album on CD, you get SO much more for that. 100% compatible with everything, freely copy/rip-able, full-quality, physical copy that will last as long as CDs last... or can be copy/backed up freely.

    Again, if the quality is good enough FOR YOU (it isn't for me, sorry you'll have to take my word for that) and you don't mind the other restrictions.. it's not a BAD deal.

    jwalk on
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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    ff you are as intelligent as you are dashingly handsome

    are you going to be at PAX?


    we can totally make out there.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    ff you are as intelligent as you are dashingly handsome

    are you going to be at PAX?


    we can totally make out there.

    no sadly

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I thought Apple dumped DRM? Weren't they like the first to do it?

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    BomanTheBearBomanTheBear Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    ff you are as intelligent as you are dashingly handsome

    i don't care if he's uglier than a burn victim

    anyone who hates the RIAA is marked down as sexy in my book

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    ff you are as intelligent as you are dashingly handsome

    are you going to be at PAX?


    we can totally make out there.

    no sadly
    boooo-urns

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    I thought Apple dumped DRM? Weren't they like the first to do it?

    Only if the artist allows them to. Lots of artists still want their music to come with digital restrictions.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    being a tool is not a RICO predicate pony

    but extortion is

    they're not extorting anyone

    stop being a silly

    I cannot abide silliness

    They aren't technically threatening these radio stations but they are defaming and slandering them as pirates for not paying them for nothing.

    extortion certainly isn't the ex parte John Doe lawsuits the RIAA is filing en masse against people on whom the RIAA kinda-sorta has evidence consisting of easily editable screenshots pasted into MS Paint of IP addresses downloading Miley Cyrus' latest album and "offering" said people a "way out" by paying a slickly predetermined settlement payment.

    yeah, that's not extortion at all.

    Tube is playing silly word games. Technically those are all legal outlets and thus not extortion but I don't see it as anything better and thus don't make any distinction between two.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

    what the fuck is wrong with .99 cents per track

    how the fuck is that too much to pay

    It's as much or more than the price of CDs.

    I've got some 18 track CDs that I have paid 15.99 for back here.

    and you can get 100 gospel greats from late night tv ads for $24.99

    no one's actually gonna fucking seriously advocate pricing based on song length, are they

    Blink 182 would have starved.

    No, I'm talking about the amount of songs, not length of each song.

    once again, a full album on itunes is $9.99, regardless of how many tracks

    .99 cents per song is just the price if you're cherry picking
    plus tax. dunno about you but Apple charges sales tax in CA... So more like $10.75, and some albums are $11-12.

    I think $10ish per album is okay, if you only consider the price, the problem is what you are getting for that $10, which is compressed garbage DRM-locked to Apple only downloads with no physical backup and if your HD crashes you're fucked and if Apple goes out of business or whatever you can't listen to your music any more.

    Even if you have to pay $1-2 more for the same album on CD, you get SO much more for that. 100% compatible with everything, freely copy/rip-able, full-quality, physical copy that will last as long as CDs last... or can be copy/backed up freely.

    Again, if the quality is good enough FOR YOU (it isn't for me, sorry you'll have to take my word for that) and you don't mind the other restrictions.. it's not a BAD deal.
    It's not even just a question of when (and they will, no corporation lasts forever) Apple stops iTunes but just as importantly they may change the format the service is offered in possibly forcing you to not only download all the tracks you own all over again in an updated format to play it on future Apple players but also possibly to put the burden of proof on you to show that you legally purchased those tracks and have the right to download them again. Strictly hypothetical of course, but not too far fetched in my opinion.

    Also found this related article interesting:
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/mpaa-says-no-pr.html

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Druhim wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

    what the fuck is wrong with .99 cents per track

    how the fuck is that too much to pay

    It's as much or more than the price of CDs.

    I've got some 18 track CDs that I have paid 15.99 for back here.

    and you can get 100 gospel greats from late night tv ads for $24.99

    no one's actually gonna fucking seriously advocate pricing based on song length, are they

    Blink 182 would have starved.

    No, I'm talking about the amount of songs, not length of each song.

    once again, a full album on itunes is $9.99, regardless of how many tracks

    .99 cents per song is just the price if you're cherry picking
    plus tax. dunno about you but Apple charges sales tax in CA... So more like $10.75, and some albums are $11-12.

    I think $10ish per album is okay, if you only consider the price, the problem is what you are getting for that $10, which is compressed garbage DRM-locked to Apple only downloads with no physical backup and if your HD crashes you're fucked and if Apple goes out of business or whatever you can't listen to your music any more.

    Even if you have to pay $1-2 more for the same album on CD, you get SO much more for that. 100% compatible with everything, freely copy/rip-able, full-quality, physical copy that will last as long as CDs last... or can be copy/backed up freely.

    Again, if the quality is good enough FOR YOU (it isn't for me, sorry you'll have to take my word for that) and you don't mind the other restrictions.. it's not a BAD deal.
    It's not even just a question of when (and they will, no corporation lasts forever) Apple stops iTunes but just as importantly they may change the format the service is offered in possibly forcing you to not only download all the tracks you own all over again in an updated format to play it on future Apple players but also possibly to put the burden of proof on you to show that you legally purchased those tracks and have the right to download them again. Strictly hypothetical of course, but not too far fetched in my opinion.

    Also found this related article interesting:
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/mpaa-says-no-pr.html


    Except you can legaly purchase mp3s without DRM off of iTunes.
    Turning that off would be prior to them changing the format, imo.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dru, that article is bullshit.
    MPAA Says No Proof Needed in P2P Copyright Infringement Lawsuits

    No. They are saying this:
    "The only purpose for placing copyrighted works in the shared folder is, of course, to 'share,' by making those works available to countless other P2P networks," the MPAA wrote.

    Which would indeed prove intent to commit copyright infringement. Should they sue the poor lady for millions of dollars? No. Are they wrong in saying that intent to illegally share songs should be enough because it can be impossible to track those she would be sharing it with? Not really.

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Druhim wrote: »
    It's not even just a question of when (and they will, no corporation lasts forever) Apple stops iTunes but just as importantly they may change the format the service is offered in possibly forcing you to not only download all the tracks you own all over again in an updated format to play it on future Apple players but also possibly to put the burden of proof on you to show that you legally purchased those tracks and have the right to download them again. Strictly hypothetical of course, but not too far fetched in my opinion.

    Also found this related article interesting:
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/mpaa-says-no-pr.html

    Even if Apple goes tits-up, you'll still be able to play your music. And assuming you don't mind a bit of illegality, you can also strip the restrictions off relatively easily no matter what the label wants -- I do this to all the music I buy from iTunes.

    I do not think Apple would remove AAC capability from their future players. They have spent years, and millions of dollars, developing and marketing it. Furthermore, there's no "burden of proof" here -- Apple has records of who bought what.

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    neville wrote: »
    Except you can legaly purchase mp3s without DRM off of iTunes.
    Turning that off would be prior to them changing the format, imo.

    You can't buy MP3s off of iTunes that I know of, the DRM-free files are still encoded with AAC.

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Butters wrote: »
    Dru, that article is bullshit.
    MPAA Says No Proof Needed in P2P Copyright Infringement Lawsuits
    No. They are saying this:
    "The only purpose for placing copyrighted works in the shared folder is, of course, to 'share,' by making those works available to countless other P2P networks," the MPAA wrote.
    Which would indeed prove intent to commit copyright infringement. Should they sue the poor lady for millions of dollars? No. Are they wrong in saying that intent to illegally share songs should be enough because it can be impossible to track those she would be sharing it with? Not really.

    this isn't even necessarily true. a lot of P2P apps 1) can be used entirely for legal purposes to begin with and 2) automatically share your media, often without the user knowing. poor software design? probably. but it certainly doesn't prove intent on its own. there's a huge logic gap.

    what the RIAA is trying to do here is automagically label P2P apps as themselves showing "intent to infringe". it's a ludicrous argument.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    neville wrote: »
    Except you can legaly purchase mp3s without DRM off of iTunes.
    Turning that off would be prior to them changing the format, imo.

    ah, thanks for the clarification
    I don't have direct experience with iTunes so I was speaking in ignorance
    did they start doing so in response to Amazon offering mp3s?

    edit: ok after Janin's post I'm confused
    do they sell mp3s or not?

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    i remember a couple years back

    i bought the Sims 2 college expansion

    and it wouldn't install on my machine

    like it just wouldn't

    i call customer support and they are like "do you have any of the following programs installed" and read a big list

    and on that list was Demonoid (a virtual drive program) and Alcohol 120 (which is a burning program)

    she is like "yeah the game won't install while you have those programs installed because they are used for piracy"

    her tone was threatening

    i was quite upset as there are legitimate uses for those programs, you asshole

    i returned the game to EB, explained the situation nicely to the manager, he let me swap the game for something else

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