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    BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I normally buy single songs from itunes because I figure 79p for a single song isn't too bad, but if I want the album then I'd prefer a physical copy.

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Faricazy wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    Janin wrote: »
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    right, and if you're gonna buy a blank CD and spend the time burning it and ripping it back, and losequality in the process... might as well just buy the damn CD in the first place.

    There's no quality loss burning to a CD.
    But there is when you re-rip it with a lossy format.
    Why does it have to be a lossy format?

    And either way, if you're burning a disc from 128kbps AAC files, ripping it back in 128kpbs AAC won't damage the quality.
    Sure it will, because you're compressing it a second time. Every time you compress with a lossy format you will lose information.

    Sure you could re-rip in a loss-less format, but now you've got a 40MB music file with sound quality of a 4MB one.... gee thanks a lot.

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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    BigDes wrote: »
    I normally buy single songs from itunes because I figure 79p for a single song isn't too bad, but if I want the album then I'd prefer a physical copy.

    I've been known to download an album and then buy a copy of it if I like it
    Streetlight Manifesto, Dropkick Murphys, a couple of other bands
    I plan on buying the CDs when I have the cash

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    BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Lol! wrote: »
    BigDes wrote: »
    I normally buy single songs from itunes because I figure 79p for a single song isn't too bad, but if I want the album then I'd prefer a physical copy.

    I've been known to download an album and then buy a copy of it if I like it
    Streetlight Manifesto, Dropkick Murphys, a couple of other bands
    I plan on buying the CDs when I have the cash

    I normally do that when I'm hammered and at uni, I want to listen to an album right then that I left at home and out comes the iTunes.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    Janin wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    right, and if you're gonna buy a blank CD and spend the time burning it and ripping it back, and losequality in the process... might as well just buy the damn CD in the first place.

    There's no quality loss burning to a CD.
    But there is when you re-rip it with a lossy format.
    Why does it have to be a lossy format?

    And either way, if you're burning a disc from 128kbps AAC files, ripping it back in 128kpbs AAC won't damage the quality.
    Sure it will, because you compressing it a second time. Every time you compress with a lossy format you will lose information.

    Sure you could re-rip in a loss-less format, but now you've got a 40MB music file with sound quality of a 4MB one.... gee thanks a lot.

    You can compensate for that sort of filter problems a number of ways but I don't know if typical encoders use things like oversampling to avoid aliasing.

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Doesn't matter what you do, if you go from one lossy format to another, you're going to lose information.

    Whether you hear that or not depends on a lot of things, granted, but the convience of buying downloaded music pretty much flies out the window if you have to jump thru that many hoops.

    If you buy a lot of singles or 2-3 tracks from an album, it might be worth the hassle, I guess. I don't, but then I don't really buy that many CDs a year either.

    That said, I believe there are programs which rip the DRM directly out of iTunes .M4P files without transcoding or altering the music information in any way, but I'm not real familiar with them and it would probably be a mistake to discuss it in detail here...

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    BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    Doesn't matter what you do, if you go from one lossy format to another, you're going to lose information.

    Whether you hear that or not depends on a lot of things, granted, but the convience of buying downloaded music pretty much flies out the window if you have to jump thru that many hoops.

    If you buy a lot of singles or 2-3 tracks from an album, it might be worth the hassle, I guess. I don't, but then I don't really buy that many CDs a year either.

    That said, I believe there are programs which rip the DRM directly out of iTunes .M4P files without transcoding or altering the music information in any way, but I'm not real familiar with them and it would probably be a mistake to discuss it in detail here...

    iTunes sell most of their stuff (well songs anyway) without DRM now, you have to dig it out but they do do non DRM stuff.

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    CasperCasper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    yeah i only buy CDs

    if i'm paying for something i want to actually own the damn thing in real life

    I feel this way also. It may seem a bit materialistic but I just feel more secure having a physical cd.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

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    CasperCasper __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

    1L?

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    xWonderboyxxWonderboyx Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    My wife and I haven't bought a CD in years. I take it back. I bought her a Streets album when I was in Norway, and it was like 20 US dollars (some absurd moonbuck over there). If it's not a gift, I don't buy CDs. We do buy DVDs and games, though.

    Also, the only radio we listen to is NPR because we are self righteous snobs.

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    ZeroFillZeroFill Feeling much better. A nice, green leaf.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    yeah i only buy CDs

    if i'm paying for something i want to actually own the damn thing in real life

    do you still write checks too because you don't trust no damn 'lectric money card machine

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Casper wrote: »
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

    1L?

    one (1) loser

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    xWonderboyxxWonderboyx Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ZeroFill wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    yeah i only buy CDs

    if i'm paying for something i want to actually own the damn thing in real life

    do you still write checks too because you don't trust no damn 'lectric money card machine

    I was at the grocery store the other day and this lady in front of me in the shortest line paid with 3 different checks. Long lines are the place to be.

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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Nothing wrong with buying the CD because you like having a physical copy

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    1.76 pints.

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The RIAA is actively trying to go out of business

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    xWonderboyxxWonderboyx Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The RIAA is actively trying to go out of business

    Only to sue itself for cutting into its own profits.

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The RIAA is actively trying to go out of business

    Only to sue itself for cutting into its own profits.

    Suing the artist for making music

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That's piracy, damnit

    your thoughts belong to us

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Casper wrote: »
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

    1L?

    I believe he means one year law student.

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    StrayDogStrayDog Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The RIAA is actively trying to go out of business

    Only to sue itself for cutting into its own profits.

    Suing the artist for making music


    I'm dating this so I can see the time difference between now and when it actually happens.

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    xWonderboyxxWonderboyx Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    StrayDog wrote: »
    The RIAA is actively trying to go out of business

    Only to sue itself for cutting into its own profits.

    Suing the artist for making music


    I'm dating this so I can see the time difference between now and when it actually happens.
    tomorrow

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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'm waiting for the RIAA to start charging the consumer royalty fees. You can have the songs for free but every time you listen it's another dime!

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    2 Marcus 2 Ravens2 Marcus 2 Ravens CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm waiting for the RIAA to start charging the consumer royalty fees. You can have the songs for free but every time you listen it's another dime!

    A jukebox in every home.

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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ZeroFill wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    yeah i only buy CDs

    if i'm paying for something i want to actually own the damn thing in real life

    do you still write checks too because you don't trust no damn 'lectric money card machine

    cash nukka (i get into trouble with my debit card :3)

    but yeah i'm not paying for no damn song that gets to stay on my computer or imaginary ipod and not go nowhere without the artist's consent or any of that bullshit

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    xWonderboyxxWonderboyx Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm waiting for the RIAA to start charging the consumer royalty fees. You can have the songs for free but every time you listen it's another dime!

    A jukebox in every home.

    Google image search failed me on a suitable image, but just you imagine what could have been.

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    2 Marcus 2 Ravens2 Marcus 2 Ravens CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm waiting for the RIAA to start charging the consumer royalty fees. You can have the songs for free but every time you listen it's another dime!

    A jukebox in every home.

    Google image search failed me on a suitable image, but just you imagine what could have been.

    I thought I should have wrote iJukebox, but I have no edit button and didn't think it was funny enough for a new post. I'll assume your joke would have been similar.

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    xWonderboyxxWonderboyx Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm waiting for the RIAA to start charging the consumer royalty fees. You can have the songs for free but every time you listen it's another dime!

    A jukebox in every home.

    Google image search failed me on a suitable image, but just you imagine what could have been.

    I thought I should have wrote iJukebox, but I have no edit button and didn't think it was funny enough for a new post. I'll assume your joke would have been similar.

    quite

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    posted before but funny
    you wouldn't STEAL A BABY!?!

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Casper wrote: »
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

    1L?

    It's the shorthand for 1st year law students.

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

    oh neat.

    i want to study intellectual property/copyright issues, but i'm more interested in the policy and legislation side of things.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    I was not aware of those cases!

    hey Munkus, what year of law school are you in now?

    I'll be a 1L in the fall, but I wrote a small thesis on music copyright and the internet.

    oh neat.

    i want to study intellectual property/copyright issues, but i'm more interested in the policy and legislation side of things.

    Ahahahaha, copyright law is batshit crazy. No, really. The shit don't make sense to a normal person.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Shit, one interpretation of copyright law states that you are breaking copyright laws anytime you play a song or look at a copyrighted image on your computer, because it gets copied to your RAM, and that's an unauthorized instance of copying.

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    fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Shit, one interpretation of copyright law states that you are breaking copyright laws anytime you play a song or look at a copyrighted image on your computer, because it gets copied to your RAM, and that's an unauthorized instance of copying.

    i actually remember reading about that somewhere.

    there are people who think that you're violating copyright when a protected file gets copied to your hard drive's cache.

    guuuuuh.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    There are a couple of very important things that people forget when considering music piracy.

    1. Infringement is not an intent crime. You have to prove actual infringement, not implied intent.
    2. The AHRA provides for a wide interpretation to private copying. Wiiiiide. "No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of … based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings"
    3. The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of authors, but ‘to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts.’ So you can argue the point that if piracy promotes the Progress of Science and useful Arts moreso than not having piracy, you have a very good case.

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    FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    one thing that Apple fucked up with itunes is that there is no way to redownload a song if you happen to have lost it (say, your drive failed). The unofficial word is that if you call them, they will let you redownload your library ONCE, but otherwise, you're fucked if you didn't back up your stuff.

    Which I think is ridiculous. It's a web based service, it knows what tracks you've bought, why the fuck can't it offer a redownload service?

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    StrayDogStrayDog Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Shit, one interpretation of copyright law states that you are breaking copyright laws anytime you play a song or look at a copyrighted image on your computer, because it gets copied to your RAM, and that's an unauthorized instance of copying.

    i actually remember reading about that somewhere.

    there are people who think that you're violating copyright when a protected file gets copied to your hard drive's cache.

    guuuuuh.

    It's funny how in a society so reliant on technology, most of the people making the laws don't know how it works.

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    BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Faricazy wrote: »
    one thing that Apple fucked up with itunes is that there is no way to redownload a song if you happen to have lost it (say, your drive failed). The unofficial word is that if you call them, they will let you redownload your library ONCE, but otherwise, you're fucked if you didn't back up your stuff.

    Which I think is ridiculous. It's a web based service, it knows what tracks you've bought, why the fuck can't it offer a redownload service?

    Because you could be handing out those files to your friends!

    You'd have to redownload each of the songs each time you let your friends have them, right? Thats how computers work.

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