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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Mysst wrote: »
    I still listen to the radio because I get tired of my cd's and want some variety. Granted, listening to classic rock doesn't give me that much variety, but I don't have every Creedence album yet.

    fucking commie

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    oogmaroogmar Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I don't think most of the CDs I want were composed by people who really need my money. I buy my friends' CDs and all, but hey.

    I've given Ian MacKaye and Tim Armstrong way too much of my money, just because I have some latent fear pressed into me by my father that if I download something Operation Ivy or Fugazi/Minor Threat related, they'll show up to my house and kick my ass.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    BEARS

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    WHERE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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    JC of DIJC of DI I think we're fucked up. I know I am.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    It really depends on the album.

    Most today only have ten or so tracks, so paying the 16-20 dollar price point is double what you'd pay at iTunes.

    My local Target is pretty damn good with keeping low CD prices though. Went in a few weeks ago and got 5 albums that had come out this year for 40 bucks.

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    2 Marcus 2 Ravens2 Marcus 2 Ravens CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.
    If you don't think you're still getting ripped off for music, you're fucking crazy.

    Seriously, $1 per track? Fuck that shit.

    An average album has, what, ten tracks? A dollar a tune is only $10. That's less than you would usually pay for an album at a major retail store. That's actually about how much it costs to buy one directly from a band, because that's not much more than it costs to make an album. Take away packaging because it's over the internet and your cost goes down quite a bit. But what does that leave? How much do you pay for music?
    Actually, instead of saying what I think, I'd like to hear how much you'd be willing to pay for a single song that you like.

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Tonkka wrote: »
    People still listen to the radio?

    yes?

    clearchannel is satan though

    I guess NPR does count doesn't it.

    I want my money from KEXP for playing my band the other night!

    No wait, that was awesome nevermind.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I can't believe no one's posted this yet, but The Onion called this shit 6 years ago.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    oogmar wrote: »
    I don't think most of the CDs I want were composed by people who really need my money. I buy my friends' CDs and all, but hey.

    I've given Ian MacKaye and Tim Armstrong way too much of my money, just because I have some latent fear pressed into me by my father that if I download something Operation Ivy or Fugazi/Minor Threat related, they'll show up to my house and kick my ass.
    to be fair, I don't believe anything Ian produces is under the RIAA

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.

    What was it? 50 cents to produce a CD and get it to the store?

    that has nothing to do with price fixing

    it was a problem with collusion and the fact that the riaa is a cartel

    production costs has dickall to do with market value

    Low production costs combined with no competition to drive pricing?

    It's only a 3,600% profit margin because of the collusion. The fact that the production prices are so low and the prices are so high is evidence of price fixing.

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    Serenity RoseSerenity Rose Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Mysst wrote: »
    I'm just going to stop listening to music. Will that satisfy them?

    Or you could just make your own because a world without music would be a terrible place.

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    reignofevilreignofevil Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.
    If you don't think you're still getting ripped off for music, you're fucking crazy.

    Seriously, $1 per track? Fuck that shit.

    Thats why I buy from artists who generally give me songs longer then 6 minutes.

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    MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Is there some sort of figure of people who don't pirate music online compared to those who do?

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.

    What was it? 50 cents to produce a CD and get it to the store?

    that has nothing to do with price fixing

    it was a problem with collusion and the fact that the riaa is a cartel

    production costs has dickall to do with market value

    Low production costs combined with no competition to drive pricing?

    It's only a 3,600% profit margin because of the collusion. The fact that the production prices are so low and the prices are so high is evidence of price fixing.

    without knowledge of collusion, it is evidence of a good business model

    making profit is not inherently evil or wrong

    preventing market factors from chipping away at your stranglehold is

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    oogmaroogmar Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    oogmar wrote: »
    I don't think most of the CDs I want were composed by people who really need my money. I buy my friends' CDs and all, but hey.

    I've given Ian MacKaye and Tim Armstrong way too much of my money, just because I have some latent fear pressed into me by my father that if I download something Operation Ivy or Fugazi/Minor Threat related, they'll show up to my house and kick my ass.
    to be fair, I don't believe anything Ian produces is under the RIAA

    And I know for a fact that Hellcat Records isn't, but still. They'd probably know. I lose my CDs a lot.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.
    If you don't think you're still getting ripped off for music, you're fucking crazy.

    Seriously, $1 per track? Fuck that shit.

    Thats why I buy from artists who generally give me songs longer then 6 minutes.
    you shop for music based on a song length/dollar ratio?

    man, you're a fucking loser.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Is there some sort of figure of people who don't pirate music online compared to those who do?

    roughly 99.98% give or take .02%

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    2 Marcus 2 Ravens2 Marcus 2 Ravens CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.

    What was it? 50 cents to produce a CD and get it to the store?

    that has nothing to do with price fixing

    it was a problem with collusion and the fact that the riaa is a cartel

    production costs has dickall to do with market value

    Low production costs combined with no competition to drive pricing?

    It's only a 3,600% profit margin because of the collusion. The fact that the production prices are so low and the prices are so high is evidence of price fixing.

    You're looking solely at how much it costs to package a cd and get it to a store. Do you have any idea how much it costs to record a cd? Do you factor in the fact that musicians worked to write the album and deserve money off of the sales? Just because packaging is taken out of the process doesn't mean people should get their music for dirt cheap. Packaging has fucked bands for a long time, especially small time bands who can't afford to bulk buy thousands and thousands of albums at a time. Now that it's gone, bands have an opportunity to actually make some money off of their album sales. Money that they deserve.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    We already fucking pay the RIAA when we buy cassettes and CDs because of the idea that you could record songs off the radio using them.

    I think the RIAA and the MPAA have some sort of bet going to see which of them can be declared "batshit insane" by a court of law first.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    oogmar wrote: »
    oogmar wrote: »
    I don't think most of the CDs I want were composed by people who really need my money. I buy my friends' CDs and all, but hey.

    I've given Ian MacKaye and Tim Armstrong way too much of my money, just because I have some latent fear pressed into me by my father that if I download something Operation Ivy or Fugazi/Minor Threat related, they'll show up to my house and kick my ass.
    to be fair, I don't believe anything Ian produces is under the RIAA

    And I know for a fact that Hellcat Records isn't, but still. They'd probably know. I lose my CDs a lot.
    Personally I'm kinda looking forward to Jerry Only showing up on my doorstep demanding twelve dollars.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Personally, I've more or less stopped listening to music at this point. I guess if songs were only, like, $.05 a track or something I might start buying them again, but I doubt it.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    i haven't listened to the radio since i was like 14

    i don't see how anyone can take anything on any radio or tv music station even remotely seriously

    That's because you like metal.

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    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    i haven't listened to the radio since i was like 14

    i don't see how anyone can take anything on any radio or tv music station even remotely seriously

    what does taking them seriously mean?

    I don't....

    what?


    also NPR

    i mean take it as something other than something written by a hack for cash

    also yes NPR my bad

    that's goddamn cynical even for me

    and i'm not even trolling, i really think that

    i mean there are a few exceptional artists that are worth listening to that manage to get on the radio and get famous

    but not enough to grant the radio any redeeming value

    or MTV (music videos suck)

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    Volucrisus AedriusVolucrisus Aedrius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.

    What was it? 50 cents to produce a CD and get it to the store?

    that has nothing to do with price fixing

    it was a problem with collusion and the fact that the riaa is a cartel

    production costs has dickall to do with market value

    We were told, 25 years ago, that the price of CDs would go down once they became mainstream.

    They never did.

    The prices actually went up to (over)compensate for inflation.

    Oh, and remember when the RIAA called tapes a form of piracy?

    "Cartel" is the perfect word to use.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    We already fucking pay the RIAA when we buy cassettes and CDs because of the idea that you could record songs off the radio using them.

    I think the RIAA and the MPAA have some sort of bet going to see which of them can be declared "batshit insane" by a court of law first.
    who the fuck buys cassettes?

    seriously.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.
    yeah I remember when CDs were introduced and they were more expensive that tapes, but the recording industry insisted that once they became mainstream the price would actually be less than tapes because CDs were cheaper to produce. Oh silly RIAA, we know you far too well to expect you to pass up any opportunity to line your pockets with more cash.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    We already fucking pay the RIAA when we buy cassettes and CDs because of the idea that you could record songs off the radio using them.

    I think the RIAA and the MPAA have some sort of bet going to see which of them can be declared "batshit insane" by a court of law first.
    who the fuck buys cassettes?

    seriously.
    Well, ever since I upgraded my 8-track...

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    We already fucking pay the RIAA when we buy cassettes and CDs because of the idea that you could record songs off the radio using them.

    I think the RIAA and the MPAA have some sort of bet going to see which of them can be declared "batshit insane" by a court of law first.
    who the fuck buys cassettes?

    seriously.

    God-damn hipsters.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    yeah some super-elitist bands still release their shit on cassette because they're fags that suck dicks

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    oogmaroogmar Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I like it better when they release to vinyl. Makes more sense.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    from now on, all Bludfart releases will only be available on wax Edison cylinders.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.

    What was it? 50 cents to produce a CD and get it to the store?

    that has nothing to do with price fixing

    it was a problem with collusion and the fact that the riaa is a cartel

    production costs has dickall to do with market value

    Low production costs combined with no competition to drive pricing?

    It's only a 3,600% profit margin because of the collusion. The fact that the production prices are so low and the prices are so high is evidence of price fixing.

    You're looking solely at how much it costs to package a cd and get it to a store. Do you have any idea how much it costs to record a cd? Do you factor in the fact that musicians worked to write the album and deserve money off of the sales? Just because packaging is taken out of the process doesn't mean people should get their music for dirt cheap. Packaging has fucked bands for a long time, especially small time bands who can't afford to bulk buy thousands and thousands of albums at a time. Now that it's gone, bands have an opportunity to actually make some money off of their album sales. Money that they deserve.

    Yes, that all goes into how much it costs the record industry to make a CD. Remember kids, it's the RIAA that's lobbying for money in their pockets, not the artists! There is zero reason to include the middleman in an issue about copyright royalties.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    i've almost bought vinyl a few times but i thought "man, i'm never gonna listen to this and it's just gonna end up broken in a week anyways"

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    Volucrisus AedriusVolucrisus Aedrius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    oogmar wrote: »
    oogmar wrote: »
    I don't think most of the CDs I want were composed by people who really need my money. I buy my friends' CDs and all, but hey.

    I've given Ian MacKaye and Tim Armstrong way too much of my money, just because I have some latent fear pressed into me by my father that if I download something Operation Ivy or Fugazi/Minor Threat related, they'll show up to my house and kick my ass.
    to be fair, I don't believe anything Ian produces is under the RIAA

    And I know for a fact that Hellcat Records isn't, but still. They'd probably know. I lose my CDs a lot.
    Personally I'm kinda looking forward to Jerry Only showing up on my doorstep demanding twelve dollars.

    Having been to your house, the image of Jerry Only pulling up in a van and tromping up your steps, clad in a ridiculous leather outfit, guitar firmly brandished, is hilarious. (In my mind he is winded once he reaches the top, and has to take a deep breath before ringing the bell)

    But you know, in his defense, seven of those twelve dollars still go to Glenn.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    If you look at the AHRA, you should be legally allowed to copy whatever music you want.

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    from now on, all Bludfart releases will only be available on wax Edison cylinders.

    'Sup Rank.

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    ScrumtrulescentScrumtrulescent Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    sometimes I dig out my old who and beatle vinyls and listen to them

    it is so much fun

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    ZonkytonkmanZonkytonkman Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Mysst wrote: »
    I still listen to the radio because I get tired of my cd's and want some variety. Granted, listening to classic rock doesn't give me that much variety, but I don't have every Creedence album yet.

    muxtape.com

    people make and upload mixed tapes.

    god it is so rad

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    oogmar wrote: »
    oogmar wrote: »
    I don't think most of the CDs I want were composed by people who really need my money. I buy my friends' CDs and all, but hey.

    I've given Ian MacKaye and Tim Armstrong way too much of my money, just because I have some latent fear pressed into me by my father that if I download something Operation Ivy or Fugazi/Minor Threat related, they'll show up to my house and kick my ass.
    to be fair, I don't believe anything Ian produces is under the RIAA

    And I know for a fact that Hellcat Records isn't, but still. They'd probably know. I lose my CDs a lot.
    Personally I'm kinda looking forward to Jerry Only showing up on my doorstep demanding twelve dollars.

    Having been to your house, the image of Jerry Only pulling up in a van and tromping up your steps, clad in a ridiculous leather outfit, guitar firmly brandished, is hilarious.

    But you know, in his defense, seven of those twelve dollars still go to Glenn.
    "Holy shit, what are you doing here, Jerry?"

    "You downloaded an album of ours. I need twelve bucks."

    "Serious? Shit, alright, hold on, lemme find my wallet. Honey! Where's my wallet, Jerry Only needs twelve bucks."

    "In your pants by the bed."

    "Alright, here ya go, man."

    "Thanks, dude, I really needed this."

    "Times are tough, huh Jerry?"

    "Yeah, man. That fuckin' Michael Graves dude, god damn, dude can put down some heroin."

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    Tonkka wrote: »
    from now on, all Bludfart releases will only be available on wax Edison cylinders.

    'Sup Rank.
    whatup duder

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Mysst wrote: »
    I still listen to the radio because I get tired of my cd's and want some variety. Granted, listening to classic rock doesn't give me that much variety, but I don't have every Creedence album yet.

    muxtape.com

    people make and upload mixed tapes.

    god it is so rad

    also: deezer, seeqpod, pandora

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    We already fucking pay the RIAA when we buy cassettes and CDs because of the idea that you could record songs off the radio using them.

    I think the RIAA and the MPAA have some sort of bet going to see which of them can be declared "batshit insane" by a court of law first.
    who the fuck buys cassettes?

    seriously.
    Well, ever since I upgraded my 8-track...

    well la di da mr. moneybags

    how about you share the wealth you damn westcoast bourgy

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