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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm going to give you an example of what happens to a forum when the N word is allowed:

    4chan

    see also: the first several years of the PA forums

    I only joined in 2004, I don't remember that far back grandpa.

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    Volucrisus AedriusVolucrisus Aedrius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    RIP

    J. T. Whitehead

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gafoto wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm going to give you an example of what happens to a forum when the N word is allowed:

    4chan

    see also: the first several years of the PA forums

    I only joined in 2004, I don't remember that far back grandpa.

    i only joined in 2003

    khoo outlawed the word... last year?

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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    Gafoto wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    Gafoto wrote: »
    I'm going to give you an example of what happens to a forum when the N word is allowed:

    4chan

    see also: the first several years of the PA forums

    I only joined in 2004, I don't remember that far back grandpa.

    i only joined in 2003

    khoo outlawed the word... last year?

    No way, it's been outlawed a longer time than that.

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    barely

    like late 2006 at the earliest

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    ZonkytonkmanZonkytonkman Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

    amazon.ca?

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I just buy stuff at the store, not too into the quality of what I get from the internet.

    Like this compact disc of The Cult I'm listening to right now? Fuckin' rules.

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    ZonkytonkmanZonkytonkman Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

    amazon.ca?

    i didn't think that they did digital distribution in canada?

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

    amazon.ca?

    amazon.ca ain't got shit

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    kill whitey, am I right?

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    also the best radio station is http://www.kshe95.com/

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    Anime OwnsAnime Owns Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    no way being white owns

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

    amazon.ca?

    amazon.ca ain't got shit

    YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT SON

    and I dunno, zonk, never been

    just throwing it out there

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    MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    no way being white owns

    Don't listen to him kids

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    ZonkytonkmanZonkytonkman Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

    amazon.ca?

    amazon.ca ain't got shit

    YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT SON

    and I dunno, zonk, never been

    just throwing it out there

    well thanks for you know, that.

    maybe you could just post some song lyrics or something?

    that'd be about as helpfull.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    no way being white owns

    Don't listen to him kids

    WHITE GUILT

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Fallout wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    but i don't want cd's clogging up mah shit.

    i wish amazon sold to canada. No drm, as far as i know.

    anyone else know where to buy stuff online?

    amazon.ca?

    amazon.ca ain't got shit

    YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT SON

    and I dunno, zonk, never been

    just throwing it out there

    well thanks for you know, that.

    maybe you could just post some song lyrics or something?

    that'd be about as helpfull.

    why don't you fish something up, mr. newfie

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Gafoto already edited it out, chillax guys.

    Oh, another fun racist moment.

    Couple weeks ago I watched that video in the Obama thread about a bunch of rural Kentucky coal miners and their families talking about Obama and Hillary and there was so much racist shit. "Listen, I'm not racist, but I don't want a... a... man like that... as president."

    They started everything they said by saying "I'm not racist" and then proceeded to say racially ignorant ideas. I mean, sure, they didn't say "lets lynch the spook!" or some really offensive shit, but it was still pretty bad.

    There was this old ass man talking about it and he started to say the word "N-word" but finished it with "groes."

    "Nigroes" he said.

    I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at that.
    This is what's got me so worried about the next election. Sure, Obama's doing well in the polls, but how many pollsters talk to these assholes?

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    buying DRM-locked, compressed music is for suckers no matter how much it costs.

    I just picked up a bunch of old CDs from amazon for $7.97 ea (no tax, free shipping)

    hmm, full cd with artwork, case, full uncompressed PCM tracks I can do whatever I want with in perpetuity for under $8 ... or download the album from iTunes for $10 + tax?

    hmmmm....

    not to mention what happens if your online music store decides to pull the plug on their DRM auth servers? Yep, all that "music" you thought you "owned" is now a pile of useless bits.. ask anyone who used the now-defunct MSN music store...

    A CD only holds, what, 80 minutes? Even if you save in a lossless format, you can fit a whole bookshelf of CDs into an iPod. And it's not $8 v. $10, it's $15-$20 v. $10. CDs are fucking expensive compared to online purchases, especially if there's only one or two songs on it that you like.

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    #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Man I get a royalty check in the mail twice a year for songs I wrote played on the radio

    Is that not the way it works over there?

    #pipe on
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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    CDs don't take up that much space.

    but you could rip them and throw them out I guess, or sell them to used record stores...

    CDs hold 72 minutes, I guess the average album is more like 60 mins though. If you ripped that to FLAC, it's about 300MB per album, and you can ditch the CD (a 750GB hard drive would hold 2,500 FLAC albums..)

    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    If you're into buying singles and/or primarily listen to music on a portable player, sure iTunes is okay.. personally the first thing I'd do is rip the DRM off there... I don't guess iTMS is going anywhere too soon but, you never know...

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    #pipe wrote: »
    Man I get a royalty check in the mail twice a year for songs I wrote played on the radio

    Is that not the way it works over there?

    It is, royalties are already paid for radio. The RIAA wants *additional* royalties.

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    if you think you can tell the difference between 128kb/s aac and cd audio then you need to either:

    -put down the pipe

    -stop listening to music on flat-response monitors

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    CDs don't take up that much space.

    but you could rip them and throw them out I guess, or sell them to used record stores...

    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    If you're into buying singles and/or primarily listen to music on a portable player, sure iTunes is okay.. personally the first thing I'd do is rip the DRM off there... I don't guess iTunes is going anywhere too soon but, you never know...

    Reading...your posts is...annoying as...hell.

    If you rip a CD and then discard/sell it, you're committing copyright infringement. At that point, you've managed to spend money and waste time for no benefit over just torrenting a FLAC rip.

    "Pro" quality iTunes files are CD quality, because they are lossless.

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    Volucrisus AedriusVolucrisus Aedrius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Knob wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    if you think you can tell the difference between 128kb/s aac and cd audio then you need to either:

    -put down the pipe

    -stop listening to music on flat-response monitors

    To me 196 sounds better than 128 but really, I don't hear a pronounced difference, and compared to CD audio? If you require CD-level performance for you $1500 stereo chances are you can also afford to buy CDs so whatevs.

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I thought they were 256k AAC? Apple sells loss-less now? How much?

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    I thought they were 256k AAC? Apple sells loss-less now? How much?

    My mistake -- apparently the lossless codec is used for importing, not downloading. Still, 256kb/s AAC will sound indistinguishable from CD quality.

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    jwalkjwalk Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Knob wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    if you think you can tell the difference between 128kb/s aac and cd audio then you need to either:

    -put down the pipe

    -stop listening to music on flat-response monitors

    To me 196 sounds better than 128 but really, I don't hear a pronounced difference, and compared to CD audio? If you require CD-level performance for you $1500 stereo chances are you can also afford to buy CDs so whatevs.
    I can definitely tell the difference between 128 and 192. 128 crushes the bass and turns the treble, like cymbal crashes, into digital mush. 256k is pretty good, I can't really tell the difference between 256k and the original CD, that's what I rip to (256k VBR, normal stereo, highest quality). FLAC/loss-less would really be a waste, though I suppose if I was going to throw the CD away I might.. but I keep them in case I want to rip them to some spiffy new format in the future...

    My main stereo cost me a bit over $3500 when all said and done, though if I had paid full price for everything instead of bargain hunting/closeouts etc.. more like $5000. Like I said if you primarily listen with those ear-buds on the subway/other noisy environment and can't tell the difference... go for it. I'd still rip the DRM off there, just to be safe. And just because DRM is gay.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    I am beyond surprised that DRM is legal.

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I am beyond surprised that DRM is legal.

    It's less surprising when you re-word: corporations cause harm to the consumer in the name of profit, do not care, get away with it.

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    edited June 2008
    jwalk wrote: »
    I can definitely tell the difference between 128 and 192.

    i think you talkin' out your butt here

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    FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY WAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Knob wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    if you think you can tell the difference between 128kb/s aac and cd audio then you need to either:

    -put down the pipe

    -stop listening to music on flat-response monitors

    i googled flat response monitor to see what flat-response meant

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080420172828AAtPkip

    thanks, guys

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    JaninJanin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Fallout wrote: »
    Knob wrote: »
    jwalk wrote: »
    yeah I know $8 is cheap for a brandnew CD (but I guess about average for a used one) but it's not like iTunes gives discount for older/catalog stuff either. same albums were $9.99 (+tax) on iTunes... and double that if you want "pro" quality which still doesn't match CD quality.

    if you think you can tell the difference between 128kb/s aac and cd audio then you need to either:

    -put down the pipe

    -stop listening to music on flat-response monitors

    i googled flat response monitor to see what flat-response meant

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080420172828AAtPkip

    thanks, guys

    They are called Studio Monitors here

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    edited June 2008
    speakers usually color the sound in different ways

    you know how shit sounds different in your car, on your headphones, through your pc speakers, over your 5.1 system? it isn't just the size of the speakers that's causing that, different speakers respond differently to some frequencies

    flat-response speakers have no coloration and represent the sound exactly as recorded, but since our ears are so used to the 'sweetening' of a good pair of speakers, monitors make things sound like ass. they generally see use in recording studios for mixing, since they represent things accurately (for example, if you mix something on headphones (which generally misrepresent the bass by a great deal) then listen to it in your car, the bass will be ridiculously fucked up)

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I love listening to the same music on different speakers and hearing new shit.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Remember when the recording industry got hit by a class-action lawsuit because it was revealed that they had been price-fixing for decades?

    The RIAA can go fuck itself.

    Its no wonder people took to the internet to download music. They were getting ripped off for decades.
    If you don't think you're still getting ripped off for music, you're fucking crazy.

    Seriously, $1 per track? Fuck that shit.

    Thats why I buy from artists who generally give me songs longer then 6 minutes.
    you shop for music based on a song length/dollar ratio?

    man, you're a fucking loser.

    If its that or getting pissy about paying a dollar for a song?
    Yeah...
    you're a special kind of retard

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    SLAMMUSLAMMU Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    so this looks like its becoming more than the RIAA bitching

    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/senate-committe.html

    edit: actually it looks like i need to read things all the way through before deciding that, but they are still going to retarded lengths for this shit

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    edited June 2008
    whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

    what the fuck is wrong with .99 cents per track

    how the fuck is that too much to pay

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