If it were legal, it would be harder for kids to get ahold of (see also: alcohol). Of course, this has the downside of making other illegal drugs relatively easier for kids to get ahold of, so...
I agree with the rest, but I don't understand this point. I'd assume alcohol was harder for kids to get when there was prohibition. Similarly, most smokers probably start before they're of age, obtaining cigs through someone who got them through legal means.
If it were legal, there would be no reason for the violent Mexican gangs with fully automatic weapons to be shipping it up from Mexico, or growing it here.
If it were legal, it would be harder for kids to get ahold of (see also: alcohol). Of course, this has the downside of making other illegal drugs relatively easier for kids to get ahold of, so...
We could tax it.
The cops could stop wasting their time with it.
The prisons could reduce their populations substantially (given that we have a higher percentage of our population in prison than any other country, and spend shitloads of money on them, I see this as a good thing).
It would probably eliminate the "gateway drug" effect of weed (since you wouldn't have to be in contact with drug dealers to buy it).
Basically, all those reasons. Even if you don't care about the "but booze kills more people maaaaan" angle of it, it would be a huge advantage for the government. They could divert resources in the "war on drugs" (which not only ties up cops, but also military and Coast Guard assets) into other areas, tax it to make more money, regulate it's spread and consumption (moreso than is possible now, at least), remove the forbidden fruit effect from it, thus decreasing the amount of young kids smoking it (yes, some people would start smoking it because it was legal, but many fewer kids would be tempted to try it if it were legal - the psychological research on this is astounding), etc...
I don't smoke, nor do my close friends, but we're pretty much all in favor of legalizing it. There's really no good reason not to legalize it.
Recent studies actually make people think that it's not so much the "forbidden fruit" effect that has so many kids smoking it as it is the fact that--because alcohol is so strictly-regulated and watched closely--it's just the easiest, cheapest drug for kids to get ahold of. Legalizing it (and presumably regulating it strongly) may make it harder to get ahold of.
Though, as Xaquin points out, given that it's easier to grow than alcohol is to make, it may not have the same effect.
is there any proof, whatsoever, that marijuana is more damaging than alcohol?
none
At the same time, who even claimed that it was?
It's classified as a Schedule 1 drug (High Abuse, No Recognized Medical Use, Lack of Safety... all three points are false by the way) by the government.
is there any proof, whatsoever, that marijuana is more damaging than alcohol?
none
At the same time, who even claimed that it was?
well one would assume that since one drug is legal(Alcohol) and the other isn't (pot), that the illegal drug would be the one causing the most negatives.
but it seems the other way around
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I have nothing, for the most part, against legalizing (with restrictions) marijuana use
I just wanted to see who'd go crazy
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is there any proof, whatsoever, that marijuana is more damaging than alcohol?
none
The only argument I've seen is that, if both are done in moderation, pot will eventually kill more brain cells.
This is also, however, neglecting all the other health problems associated with alcohol consumption. So, as far as net effects go, alcohol is probably worse. And, if nothing else, alcohol is considerably more addictive than marijuana is.
Marijuana's a relatively new thing in this country (read: hasn't been around for hundreds of years, like alcohol), so it's still in that "infancy" stage where everyone is trying to figure out how, and if, it should be regulated, is it legal, etc. Alcohol went through a similar thing when mass production of it started (yes, it had been around for thousands of years, but it was being made in quantities that were astronomically larger), giving us Prohibition (although that was somewhat based on religious pretext as well) and the whole struggle over alcohol in the early 20th century.
Marijuana's just going through a similar stage right now...I'll be surprised if it isn't fully legalized within the next century.
I've never done weed, mainly because no one I know does. I'd be willing to try it if I knew I wouldn't get my ass thrown in jail though.
You... you don't know anyone who smokes weed?
This concept is so completely foreign to me, even though I've never smoked it.
Do you live in a cave or something?
Well ok, I have MET people who have smoked/smoke weed, but none of my friends do, or even acquaintances.
I hung out with all the dorks in high school, and Georgia Tech is more of a 'drown your sorrows in booze' than 'get high and have fun' school.
You go to college and you don't have any friends or acquaintances who smoke weed?
Do you introduce yourself by telling people "hi, my name is SageinaRage, and I'm a NARC?"
There's a reason GT is on the top 10 list of drinking schools, and it's not because of parties. I'm guessing weed isn't the drug of choice after finding out that your gpa is less than 1.
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is there any proof, whatsoever, that marijuana is more damaging than alcohol?
none
At the same time, who even claimed that it was?
It's classified as a Schedule 1 drug (High Abuse, No Recognized Medical Use, Lack of Safety... all three points are false by the way) by the government.
so... them.
Oh shit, i just looked up the list of illegal drugs in america and how they're classified.
Here's a list of illegal drugs that are said to be LESS dangerous than Marijuana by the government:
This is also, however, neglecting all the other health problems associated with alcohol consumption. So, as far as net effects go, alcohol is probably worse. And, if nothing else, alcohol is considerably more addictive than marijuana is.
Alcohol is most definitely worse in nearly all respects.
Marijuana's a relatively new thing in this country (read: hasn't been around for hundreds of years, like alcohol), so it's still in that "infancy" stage where everyone is trying to figure out how, and if, it should be regulated, is it legal, etc.
Wrong. Pot has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years.
obviously a "smoke wherever whenever and how much ever you want" policy is a poor idea
Driving a motor vehicle while stoned should probably be equivalent with drunk driving. Which I think it probably is anyway...
it is
I currently have been charged twice for driving under the influence
both times I blew well under the legal limit for alcohol, but marijuana was found in the car or on my person
both times the charges were reduced to negligent driving in the first, but it is most certainly illegal to be driving under the influence of any drugs which impair your ability
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
I quit smoking week a couple of months back, but only because it was getting to be an expensive habit ($300-400 a month, even with dispensary prices), but then again I was smoking almost every hour. I might go back to a dispensary to pick up a joint or something if I'm going to a show, but that's about it. I'm getting about twice as much work done as I was before, so that's a good thing.
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
part of the problem with DUI for marijuana is that they don't have a test to prove that you're high at that moment. Nobody's made a breathalyzer that shows you're under the influence, and blood tests don't work since they just show if you've smoked in the past month.
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nope, but there's a lot of evidence to support that it's NOT NEARLY AS DAMAGING as alcohol.
Quite the opposite in fact.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january112008/cancer_treatment_11008.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html
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this is your brain on drugs
()
and this is your regular brain
(_______)
see drugs are bad
Though, as Xaquin points out, given that it's easier to grow than alcohol is to make, it may not have the same effect.
It's classified as a Schedule 1 drug (High Abuse, No Recognized Medical Use, Lack of Safety... all three points are false by the way) by the government.
so... them.
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well one would assume that since one drug is legal(Alcohol) and the other isn't (pot), that the illegal drug would be the one causing the most negatives.
but it seems the other way around
I just wanted to see who'd go crazy
The only argument I've seen is that, if both are done in moderation, pot will eventually kill more brain cells.
This is also, however, neglecting all the other health problems associated with alcohol consumption. So, as far as net effects go, alcohol is probably worse. And, if nothing else, alcohol is considerably more addictive than marijuana is.
Marijuana's a relatively new thing in this country (read: hasn't been around for hundreds of years, like alcohol), so it's still in that "infancy" stage where everyone is trying to figure out how, and if, it should be regulated, is it legal, etc. Alcohol went through a similar thing when mass production of it started (yes, it had been around for thousands of years, but it was being made in quantities that were astronomically larger), giving us Prohibition (although that was somewhat based on religious pretext as well) and the whole struggle over alcohol in the early 20th century.
Marijuana's just going through a similar stage right now...I'll be surprised if it isn't fully legalized within the next century.
But I'm told that if I do it wrong then it could be deadly.
And I really don't want my last beer to be of mediocre taste because it was my first try.
yeah sounds like somebody's never done LSD.
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There's a reason GT is on the top 10 list of drinking schools, and it's not because of parties. I'm guessing weed isn't the drug of choice after finding out that your gpa is less than 1.
what are the arguments against legalization?
Now, if you know someone who knows some on in the Pacific Northwest or British Columbia...
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People should stop having fun enjoying their bodies and instead feel shameful and worship jesus?
I mean I'm paraphrasing here but I think thats basically it in a nutshell.
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it's one of the easiest subjects to make people get all butthurt about
i love it
Driving a motor vehicle while stoned should probably be equivalent with drunk driving. Which I think it probably is anyway...
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Oh shit, i just looked up the list of illegal drugs in america and how they're classified.
Here's a list of illegal drugs that are said to be LESS dangerous than Marijuana by the government:
# Opium
# Morphine
# Coca
# Cocaine
# Methadone
# Methamphetamine
# Amphetamine
# Barbiturate
# Valium
# Xanax
# Anabolic Steroids
# Codeine
# Chloral Hydrate
# Meprobamate
# Paraldehyde
# Phenobarbital
Here's the list of schedule 1 drugs:
# Heroin
# LSD
# MDMA
# Marijuana
# Methaqualone
WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE. WHAT THE FUCK.
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Alcohol is most definitely worse in nearly all respects.
Wrong. Pot has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years.
really with the laws on cigarette smoking how they are right now you're pretty limited on where you can smoke it anyway
Not at all.
I find it easier to drive while high, the car becomes more like an extra limb than a machine that you're sitting in.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4131.html
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
This study has been repeated several times. There was even a show on the BBC where they got people high and let em drive on a test track.
Stoned drivers scored higher than sober drivers almost 100% of the time.
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you stupid numbername
how can you be so very very wrong
She thought she might have been pregnant. She didn't take a pregnancy test.
She just did a whole lot of coke one night in hopes of forcing a miscarriage.
Turns out she was never pregnant.
I currently have been charged twice for driving under the influence
both times I blew well under the legal limit for alcohol, but marijuana was found in the car or on my person
both times the charges were reduced to negligent driving in the first, but it is most certainly illegal to be driving under the influence of any drugs which impair your ability
personal opinion =/= scientific fact
let's have some science, here
So it was just the paranoia that made me terrified of getting pulled over?
Good to know. Those 3AM Quarter Pounder with Cheeses are still in reach.
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it most certainly effects your judgement, reaction time and cognitive ability
just because you think otherwise while high doesn't change the fact
I think this is a good example of something.
I support legalization because sane people should be able to go and do whatever the fuck they want.
But so many people are not sane...
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But science is on my side, here.
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judging by the Tommy Chong advert alone