Theres no such thing as a "sure win". That being said Bigby could have the vorpal sword and still lose. Fortuantely since he can't have it for this fight it's not an issue we have to concern ourselves with.
How do you come to the conclusion that he can't have the sword for this fight? The rules clearly say he can. You said it yourself that the vorpal sword wouldn't equal an automatic win. Having the sword in no way puts him on the level of God-Thor, Dr. Strange and other heroes we DQed as being too powerful.
If Diana can bring her magic sword, then Bigby can certainly bring a Fabletown relic with similar qualities.
Cable is superpowerful and everything, but he can't touch ambrose, and Bigby is the son of the god of wind.
Lets not forget Bigby's mom, The Wolf. Notice the capital letters there. His mom wasn't "a wolf". She wasn't "a special wolf".
No, his mom was the fucking jungian archtype/platonic ideal of "wolf". Mankind has been terrified of wolves since the fucking stone age, merely because of the specter of that wolf.
I think Cable could beat Ambrose. I think some people here are giving Ambrose a fuckton more credit than he deserves, for a guy who's been in about 6 comics and died in two of them.
Honestly, I think Cable will only get one mindblast in this fight before he's plum fucked, so the ideal situation would have to be him taking out Chase and leaving the Hulk to wail on Bigby.
If he were to win.
There's a good chance he could lose, too, in that same situation if Bigby comes after him first.
no I just pulled that out of my ass of course I read the fables comic
Great, so just so we're clear, my argument for why Hulk loses is that he's a big dumb radioactive green guy.
See how that works?
I didn't say that he should lose because he was a werewolf.
In fact, I don't remember coming down on any side at all.
That's fine, and I'm not saying Hulk should definately not win.
I just think that some people are framing Bigby in a deliberately understated way. He is not a fucking werewolf. He's the Big Bad Wolf from fables and stories. And not just the three little pigs and little red riding hood. He represents the very longstanding fear and hatred that mankind from most every society has had for wolves since before civilization began. But moreso, he represents that aspect of nature and the unknown that mankind has feared since forever. This is important because his power comes from the collective unconscious and conscious beliefs of humanity. A power source that I daresay is potentially greater than gamma rays or Liefeldian musculature.
I think people do get that, Jeepguy, or he wouldn't be in this round in the first place. He is up against some pretty tough competition in this fight though, and as much as I like him, I wouldn't be surprised if he missed the cut.
He's the Big Bad Wolf from fables and stories. And not just the three little pigs and little red riding hood. He represents the very longstanding fear and hatred that mankind from most every society has had for wolves since before civilization began. But moreso, he represents that aspect of nature and the unknown that mankind has feared since forever. This is important because his power comes from the collective unconscious and conscious beliefs of humanity.
Bigby might be incredibly popular and pretty much immortal, but he does not posess physical strength on a level even approaching something that might concievably approach the Hulk at some point in time.
The Hulk would turn Bigby inside-out.
And Gladiator Hulk is pretty much twice the fighter Bigby is.
Fables are tough, but they can still be killed with conventional weaponry, even Bigby. Bigby would pretty much definitely die if Hulk wore him as a coat. Which is what Hulk will probably do.
And Ambrose Chase's powers are far more versatile than those of any of the other contestants in this match. He could fuck Cable up something fierce.
Hulk is the Hulk. He may be not too smart, but when it comes to smashing things and people, Hulk is a genius without compare.Especially Gladiator Hulk.
Hulk is the Hulk. He may be not too smart, but when it comes to smashing things and people, Hulk is a genius without compare.Especially Gladiator Hulk.
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. "Genius when it comes to smashing things" is just a stupidly geeky way of saying that Hulk is very strong, which we all already knew.
Hulk is no fucking genius, of anything. He could be easily outsmarted by any of his oponents here. How did he wind up in space to begin with? Oh, that's right, his dumb ass got tricked by people smarter than him.
Maybe you didn't notice but Gladiator Hulk actually does utilize tactics when fighting.
It's just that often enough he doesn't have to because he's strong enough to take whatever it is his enemies throw at him and give it right back to them tenfold.
And Gladiator Hulk isn't a complete retard. He's about as smart as your average joe now, with an exceptional knack for destroying things using his strength and whatever he has lying around.
Besides, I don't think there are a lot of ways for Bigby to trick Hulk in this fight. Especially since Hulk doesn't know him, which was one of the major factors that lead to his exile. He was tricked by people he trusted at least somewhat. He doesn't trust Bigby, and will have no reason to.
Bigby's only chance at winning is cutting off Hulk's head with the Vorpal Sword, which isn't even that likely because Hulk is probably faster than Bigby.
He's certainly much stronger and more durable, seeing as he's bulletproof and bomb-proof, which Bigby isn't. And Hulk's been known to lift giant boulders wheighing hundreds upon hundreds of tons. And he can throw them for a good distance, too.
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I think Cable could beat Ambrose. I think some people here are giving Ambrose a fuckton more credit than he deserves, for a guy who's been in about 6 comics and died in two of them.
I think Cable could beat Ambrose. I think some people here are giving Ambrose a fuckton more credit than he deserves, for a guy who's been in about 6 comics and died in two of them.
Thank you.
That's a completely retarded reason, though, as it completely ignores Ambrose as a character.
In almost every issue ambrose was in, though, he showed mastery over his skills in the same way we're describing.
cable, a guy with telekinisis and guns cannot fucking take out a guy who controls time and space.
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Kane Red RobeMaster of MagicArcanusRegistered Userregular
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The fun part is I started picking up Fables due to the arguments used in the first fights with them. I also now have an intense desire to never read Planetary ever. For roughly the same reason. Which is strange since the arguments are pretty much exactly the same either way.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
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The guys in the comics I read are way cooler than the guys in the comics you read. Guys. GUYS.
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Sars_BoyRest, You Are The Lightning.Registered Userregular
The fun part is I started picking up Fables due to the arguments used in the first fights with them. I also now have an intense desire to never read Planetary ever.
I admit, my first response in this round was to outvote Ambrose just as to piss Spectre-X and Mai-Kero. Fortunately, I have more respect for the integrity of the tournament than that, just like I don't vote DC characters last just to piss off Terrorbyte.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
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Well, it's not like they weren't right about how powerfull the characters were. People just didn't want to hear it becuase they love Magneto or whoever the fuck.
Well, it's not like they weren't right about how powerfull the characters were. People just didn't want to hear it becuase they love Magneto or whoever the fuck.
Seriously. That's why I was pulling for Snow, but not Chase. This time, no. Last time, oh my god yes.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited October 2006
According to this EGM I have in front of me, Stan Lee says Hulk would beat super man.
If you were surprised by this, shoot yourself.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Superman was killed by Doomsday (or beaten into a coma or whatever retarded "twist" they used to kill/rise again Supes) who, if memory serves, was just a big strong guy with bony spike thingies growing out of him.
Hulk is like Doomsday but much more powerful.
Getting back to the tourny though, I am still stuck. Ambrose or Cable? All I've heard in Ambrose's favor is "he controls time and space". I need more! Write out a brief description of what he would do to advance here.
Superman was killed by Doomsday (or beaten into a coma or whatever retarded "twist" they used to kill/rise again Supes) who, if memory serves, was just a big strong guy with bony spike thingies growing out of him.
Superman beat the living shit out of Doomsday during their last head-to-head fight, and shrugged off everything Doomsday threw at him.
Speaking of which, it's a shame that no one nominated Steel in the Entropy Aegis armor.
Hulk is like Doomsday but much more powerful.
Nah, Doomsday is far, far more powerful. I mean, it's not even a contest. Hulk strongest? Not this time, pal.
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How do you come to the conclusion that he can't have the sword for this fight? The rules clearly say he can. You said it yourself that the vorpal sword wouldn't equal an automatic win. Having the sword in no way puts him on the level of God-Thor, Dr. Strange and other heroes we DQed as being too powerful.
If Diana can bring her magic sword, then Bigby can certainly bring a Fabletown relic with similar qualities.
Why?
Like, can't he blast the dude's mind?
Lets not forget Bigby's mom, The Wolf. Notice the capital letters there. His mom wasn't "a wolf". She wasn't "a special wolf".
No, his mom was the fucking jungian archtype/platonic ideal of "wolf". Mankind has been terrified of wolves since the fucking stone age, merely because of the specter of that wolf.
sorry he's a magical story werewolf, my bad
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Do you even read the Fables comic?
no I just pulled that out of my ass of course I read the fables comic
If he were to win.
There's a good chance he could lose, too, in that same situation if Bigby comes after him first.
Great, so just so we're clear, my argument for why Hulk loses is that he's a big dumb radioactive green guy.
See how that works?
I didn't say that he should lose because he was a werewolf.
In fact, I don't remember coming down on any side at all.
That's fine, and I'm not saying Hulk should definately not win.
I just think that some people are framing Bigby in a deliberately understated way. He is not a fucking werewolf. He's the Big Bad Wolf from fables and stories. And not just the three little pigs and little red riding hood. He represents the very longstanding fear and hatred that mankind from most every society has had for wolves since before civilization began. But moreso, he represents that aspect of nature and the unknown that mankind has feared since forever. This is important because his power comes from the collective unconscious and conscious beliefs of humanity. A power source that I daresay is potentially greater than gamma rays or Liefeldian musculature.
He was scarier in Promethea.
That's a law of comics.
Hulk is strongest there is.
Bigby might be incredibly popular and pretty much immortal, but he does not posess physical strength on a level even approaching something that might concievably approach the Hulk at some point in time.
The Hulk would turn Bigby inside-out.
And Gladiator Hulk is pretty much twice the fighter Bigby is.
Fables are tough, but they can still be killed with conventional weaponry, even Bigby. Bigby would pretty much definitely die if Hulk wore him as a coat. Which is what Hulk will probably do.
And Ambrose Chase's powers are far more versatile than those of any of the other contestants in this match. He could fuck Cable up something fierce.
Hulk is the Hulk. He may be not too smart, but when it comes to smashing things and people, Hulk is a genius without compare. Especially Gladiator Hulk.
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. "Genius when it comes to smashing things" is just a stupidly geeky way of saying that Hulk is very strong, which we all already knew.
Hulk is no fucking genius, of anything. He could be easily outsmarted by any of his oponents here. How did he wind up in space to begin with? Oh, that's right, his dumb ass got tricked by people smarter than him.
It's just that often enough he doesn't have to because he's strong enough to take whatever it is his enemies throw at him and give it right back to them tenfold.
And Gladiator Hulk isn't a complete retard. He's about as smart as your average joe now, with an exceptional knack for destroying things using his strength and whatever he has lying around.
Besides, I don't think there are a lot of ways for Bigby to trick Hulk in this fight. Especially since Hulk doesn't know him, which was one of the major factors that lead to his exile. He was tricked by people he trusted at least somewhat. He doesn't trust Bigby, and will have no reason to.
Bigby's only chance at winning is cutting off Hulk's head with the Vorpal Sword, which isn't even that likely because Hulk is probably faster than Bigby.
He's certainly much stronger and more durable, seeing as he's bulletproof and bomb-proof, which Bigby isn't. And Hulk's been known to lift giant boulders wheighing hundreds upon hundreds of tons. And he can throw them for a good distance, too.
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That's a completely retarded reason, though, as it completely ignores Ambrose as a character.
cable, a guy with telekinisis and guns cannot fucking take out a guy who controls time and space.
What?
Fortunately, that's not how the book really is.
Seriously. That's why I was pulling for Snow, but not Chase. This time, no. Last time, oh my god yes.
If you were surprised by this, shoot yourself.
yes I concern myself with these things
Oh my god I am so very sorry.
Hulk is like Doomsday but much more powerful.
Getting back to the tourny though, I am still stuck. Ambrose or Cable? All I've heard in Ambrose's favor is "he controls time and space". I need more! Write out a brief description of what he would do to advance here.
*Desperately wants to vote for Ambrose*
AND TAKE ALL DEBATE TO THE DEBATE THREADS
THEY ARE THERE FOR A REASON
Fight G:
Rogue: 24
Spider-Man: 16
Deadpool: 12
Constantine: -4
Fight H:
Hulk: 25
Ambrose Chase: 4
Bigby Wolf: 12
Cable: 7
Looks like the guys with guns and freaky powers rivalry is going to give 2nd place to Bigby.
And man, Deadpool better not win again. :?
Superman beat the living shit out of Doomsday during their last head-to-head fight, and shrugged off everything Doomsday threw at him.
Speaking of which, it's a shame that no one nominated Steel in the Entropy Aegis armor.
Nah, Doomsday is far, far more powerful. I mean, it's not even a contest. Hulk strongest? Not this time, pal.