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A Wibbly-Wobbly, Timey-Wimey, [Doctor Who] Thread

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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Well, considering Donna seemingly looked at his crotch and said "You're naked!" and not "Time Lords don't have a...?!?!" in this last episode, I'm going to guess that he indeed has a penis and will be making babies with Rose in the parallel universe, a fact that I'm sure will become important in ten years or some other ridiculous period of time.
    Yes, but that version was half human. Who knows what happened in the conversion. He did say something along the lines of "I'm half human, eww," while frowning. Maybe he thought was it was icky because he grew a cock.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Well, considering Donna seemingly looked at his crotch and said "You're naked!" and not "Time Lords don't have a...?!?!" in this last episode, I'm going to guess that he indeed has a penis and will be making babies with Rose in the parallel universe, a fact that I'm sure will become important in ten years or some other ridiculous period of time.
    Yes, but that version was half human. Who knows what happened in the conversion. He did say something along the lines of "I'm half human, eww," while frowning. Maybe he thought was it was icky because he grew a cock.
    "WTF happened to my other appendage? It was so much cooler!"
    *shiver in terror*

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Well, considering Donna seemingly looked at his crotch and said "You're naked!" and not "Time Lords don't have a...?!?!" in this last episode, I'm going to guess that he indeed has a penis and will be making babies with Rose in the parallel universe, a fact that I'm sure will become important in ten years or some other ridiculous period of time.
    Yes, but that version was half human. Who knows what happened in the conversion. He did say something along the lines of "I'm half human, eww," while frowning. Maybe he thought was it was icky because he grew a cock.
    "WTF happened to my other appendage? It was so much cooler!"
    *shiver in terror*
    Sonic Sexinator Gland... :winky:

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Cyvros wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Well, considering Donna seemingly looked at his crotch and said "You're naked!" and not "Time Lords don't have a...?!?!" in this last episode, I'm going to guess that he indeed has a penis and will be making babies with Rose in the parallel universe, a fact that I'm sure will become important in ten years or some other ridiculous period of time.
    Yes, but that version was half human. Who knows what happened in the conversion. He did say something along the lines of "I'm half human, eww," while frowning. Maybe he thought was it was icky because he grew a cock.
    "WTF happened to my other appendage? It was so much cooler!"
    *shiver in terror*
    Sonic Sexinator Gland...
    That explains so much. Maybe the Sonic Screwdriver... Eww. It could mean, however, that it's detachable, like Gabe's.

    Now I'm regretting starting down this line of increasingly disturbing thoughts.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Cyvros wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    Well, considering Donna seemingly looked at his crotch and said "You're naked!" and not "Time Lords don't have a...?!?!" in this last episode, I'm going to guess that he indeed has a penis and will be making babies with Rose in the parallel universe, a fact that I'm sure will become important in ten years or some other ridiculous period of time.
    Yes, but that version was half human. Who knows what happened in the conversion. He did say something along the lines of "I'm half human, eww," while frowning. Maybe he thought was it was icky because he grew a cock.
    "WTF happened to my other appendage? It was so much cooler!"
    *shiver in terror*
    Sonic Sexinator Gland...
    That explains so much. Maybe the Sonic Screwdriver... Eww. It could mean, however, that it's detachable, like Gabe's.

    Now I'm regretting starting down this line of increasingly disturbing thoughts.

    I'm sorry.
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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I know people who would read this thread and then just get completely hypnotised by that.

    (Edit: Also, you forgot to add "I'm so sorry" after saying "I'm sorry".)

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    I know people who would read this thread and then just get completely hypnotised by that.

    (Edit: Also, you forgot to add "I'm so sorry" after saying "I'm sorry".)

    I'm so sorry.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    *claps* Thank you, good sir.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    *claps* Thank you, good sir.

    Brilliant!

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Take your pick:

    - he's mouthy
    - he's gay
    - he put mouthy gay people in a show
    - he made the mouthy gay guy kiss the Doctor
    - he put a mouthy chav in a show
    - he made the Doctor kiss the chav
    - he said the Doctor has a granddaughter, thus implying that he has had filthybad sex, unlike one hundred percent most extra loyal card-carrying Whovian

    Just re-reading this, I suddenly realised that you basically summarised the past three-and-a-half years of RADW in a single post.

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Dear god what have I started

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2008
    Yeah it's easy for me as an American to forget what an institution Doctor Who is across the pond. I mean, I love the new series, but until BBC really dusted it off (and a lot of credit really does go out to Davies for that) it was basically a joke that played after-hours on Public Television over here - the kind of stuff that bottom-drawer nerds got off to.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Yeah it's easy for me as an American to forget what an institution Doctor Who is across the pond. I mean, I love the new series, but until BBC really dusted it off (and a lot of credit really does go out to Davies for that) it was basically a joke that played after-hours on Public Television over here - the kind of stuff that bottom-drawer nerds get off to.

    You seemed to have been using the past tense there.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Yeah it's easy for me as an American to forget what an institution Doctor Who is across the pond. I mean, I love the new series, but until BBC really dusted it off (and a lot of credit really does go out to Davies for that) it was basically a joke that played after-hours on Public Television over here - the kind of stuff that bottom-drawer nerds get off to.

    You seemed to have been using the past tense there.

    I think the new series is pretty respectable. Old-school Who was the kind of thing that nerds would move on to when they'd memorized every last line of every last Flying Circus episode and needed to get both Dorkier and Britisher.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I remember the first time I thought that the old series was way better than the new one. Then I actually thought about it and concluded that the classic series was far more hit-and-miss than the new one, purely by numbers.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    That explains so much. Maybe the Sonic Screwdriver... Eww. It could mean, however, that it's detachable, like Gabe's.

    Now I'm regretting starting down this line of increasingly disturbing thoughts.
    Gabe is a Time Lord?

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Cyvros wrote: »
    That explains so much. Maybe the Sonic Screwdriver... Eww. It could mean, however, that it's detachable, like Gabe's.

    Now I'm regretting starting down this line of increasingly disturbing thoughts.
    Gabe is a Time Lord?
    Depends on what the Gallifreyan... attachment is like.

    Now that you come to mention it, though, I would like to see a species in Who that has hands instead of feet.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2008
    Potentially large but quite vague spoiler: second or third article down.

    Completely off topic, but I hadn't heard of the superhero sitcom mentioned above the DW article, and it looks fantastic.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Bogart wrote: »
    Potentially large but quite vague spoiler: second or third article down.
    "Whether he's playing the Doctor as everyone wants, the Master as he himself suggested, or something else... we'll have to wait and see." PLEASE GOD YES.
    Bogart wrote: »
    Completely off topic, but I hadn't heard of the superhero sitcom mentioned above the DW article, and it looks fantastic.

    Yes! James Lance and Nicholas Burns from Absolute Power. Plus Patrick Baladi. There's no way I'm not watching this.

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So what's the hate for Russell T. Davies? I mean, Moffat is probably the best writer - or at least wrote the best episodes, but Davies isn't bad at all.

    Take your pick:

    - he's mouthy
    - he's gay
    - he put mouthy gay people in a show
    - he made the mouthy gay guy kiss the Doctor
    - he put a mouthy chav in a show
    - he made the Doctor kiss the chav
    - he said the Doctor has a granddaughter, thus implying that he has had filthybad sex, unlike one hundred percent most extra loyal card-carrying Whovian

    That is a man made of... wicker. Or possibly straw. I like all those things about RTD.
    Teaspoon wrote:
    He has no subtlety in his heart.
    He is unwilling to change the status quo (make lasting decisions about important characters (such as death)).
    He builds up momentum but does not follow through.
    His writing is often very clichéd and over-written.
    His plots are based on deus ex machinas and technobabble.
    He feels the need to justify every deus ex machinas and mcguffins with exposition which take precious minutes.
    There is often a lot of fanwankery.

    I dislike these things and more. Mostly that he CAN write good dialogue but usually doesn't. No idea why not.

    Seriously, can we talk about RTD without the lazy-arsed dumbness of accusing everyone who doesn't like him of homophobia?

    Coz it's lazy. and dumb. and arsey.

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  • ScroffusScroffus Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So I was watching episode 2 season 1 last night and there is a part where you can overhear some party goer in the background say "...yes this is definetly the bad wolf scenario..." and then something more which I forget. Was there any relevence in this?

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2008
    Maaaaaaaybe.
    Yes, sort of. You'll hear that phrase pop up a few times over the course of the series.

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  • ScroffusScroffus Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    It's like it was planned all along!
    Or maybe they just like using that phrase

    I've still got to watch the rest of S1 and S2, maybe after seeing them I'll actually like Rose.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Interesting RTD quotes on Kasterborous (original source). Here's one regarding fandom:
    They are not real fandom, though, they are a core of mostly men who like to complain. Fandom is bigger and richer than that, and they are only about 1,000 people who give everyone else a bad name and build their life around a show.

    I'd say he got one thing wrong - the number.

    The article also mentions RTD's thoughts on the possibility of there being a female Doctor:
    I am often tempted to say yes to that to placate everyone but, while I think kids will not have a problem with [a female Doctor], I think fathers will have a problem with it because they will then imagine they will have to describe sex changes to their children.

    I can never forgive him for claiming that Amy Winehouse could possible be "brilliant" as the Doctor.

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  • WulfWulf Disciple of Tzeentch The Void... (New Jersey)Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cyvros wrote: »
    Interesting RTD quotes on Kasterborous (original source). Here's one regarding fandom:
    They are not real fandom, though, they are a core of mostly men who like to complain. Fandom is bigger and richer than that, and they are only about 1,000 people who give everyone else a bad name and build their life around a show.

    I'd say he got one thing wrong - the number.

    The article also mentions RTD's thoughts on the possibility of there being a female Doctor:
    I am often tempted to say yes to that to placate everyone but, while I think kids will not have a problem with [a female Doctor], I think fathers will have a problem with it because they will then imagine they will have to describe sex changes to their children.

    I can never forgive him for claiming that Amy Winehouse could possible be "brilliant" as the Doctor.

    Amy Winehouse is going to be dead long before anyone can get punched in the face whilst holding a camera in both hands and being told that they pinched her butt... Oh wait, I mean before anyone would ever see her as the Doctor.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I think the Amy Winehouse comment was a joke.

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  • WulfWulf Disciple of Tzeentch The Void... (New Jersey)Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    I think the Amy Winehouse comment was a joke.

    I know, so was my comment:lol:

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    poshniallo wrote: »
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    So what's the hate for Russell T. Davies? I mean, Moffat is probably the best writer - or at least wrote the best episodes, but Davies isn't bad at all.

    Take your pick:

    - he's mouthy
    - he's gay
    - he put mouthy gay people in a show
    - he made the mouthy gay guy kiss the Doctor
    - he put a mouthy chav in a show
    - he made the Doctor kiss the chav
    - he said the Doctor has a granddaughter, thus implying that he has had filthybad sex, unlike one hundred percent most extra loyal card-carrying Whovian

    That is a man made of... wicker. Or possibly straw. I like all those things about RTD.
    Teaspoon wrote:
    He has no subtlety in his heart.
    He is unwilling to change the status quo (make lasting decisions about important characters (such as death)).
    He builds up momentum but does not follow through.
    His writing is often very clichéd and over-written.
    His plots are based on deus ex machinas and technobabble.
    He feels the need to justify every deus ex machinas and mcguffins with exposition which take precious minutes.
    There is often a lot of fanwankery.

    I dislike these things and more. Mostly that he CAN write good dialogue but usually doesn't. No idea why not.

    Seriously, can we talk about RTD without the lazy-arsed dumbness of accusing everyone who doesn't like him of homophobia?

    Coz it's lazy. and dumb. and arsey.

    Seconded. My biggest problem with RTD is that he just seems to be rather lazy with the 'why' of why things are happening in his stories. Its probably just because i'm not the little kid i was when i was watching repeats of Dr Who on the ABC (the Australian one) but when a writer can't think of anything better than
    something like a man having a "make myself and everybody else die" button on his desk like in The End of the World or every single Dalek being controllable from a single control panel located in the cell of the scientific genius they were keeping imprisoned

    They really aren't putting enough effort into their work . He's shown with Midnight that he can write interesting non-technobabble filled stories that resolve themselves in a plausible manner, so what the hell is going on with the rest of the episodes he wrote?

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    because he tries to be too epic and can't deliver

    Midnight was great because of how low-key it was. It seems in order to make RTD's actual talent come through, you need to slice off time and budget and stop letting him play with all the toys in the box.

    Although I won't lie, I cried like a baby during Doomsday.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited July 2008
    poshniallo wrote: »
    Seriously, can we talk about RTD without the lazy-arsed dumbness of accusing everyone who doesn't like him of homophobia?

    Coz it's lazy. and dumb. and arsey.

    How about actually taking the time to peruse rec.arts.doctor.who, Outpost Gallifrey, or a random AICN talkback before starting in on this? Because I'm sorry if it makes you sad, but I haven't pulled this out of thin air.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    just going to back up jacobkosh here, there was a big bullshit hullabaloo on the OG forums because people kept bitching about how Mrs Sylvestre mentioned, offhandedly, how her lover was another female, a clear representation of RTD shoving his massive throbbing gay agenda into the show.

    It was unbelievably stupid.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited July 2008
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    just going to back up jacobkosh here, there was a big bullshit hullabaloo on the OG forums because people kept bitching about how Mrs Sylvestre mentioned, offhandedly, how her lover was another female, a clear representation of RTD shoving his massive throbbing gay agenda into the show.

    It was unbelievably stupid.

    His agenda is so hard.

    Seriously, though, I've actually been watching Queer as Folk over the last couple weeks (and I'm digging it!) but the hilarious thing is that even this show, which features special bonus rimming in the very first episode, hardly counts as gay agenda-izing. Nobody's running around sobbing about how tough it is to be gay, and no one's even mentioned AIDS.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Wait for the final special next year, where in the alien future mankind is afflicted with super AIDS.

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I don't think kids would have a problem with a female doctor, especially since they already deal with the face change..

    My 4 year old loves Doctor Who.. she happened to start watching the library episode with me,and has since (along with my wife) started watching the rest of the season, and back episodes.

    I needed to explain to her why the doctor of season 1 was not the doctor of s2+, and why there were different women with her..
    Dad: "See, the doctor there was an earlier doctor, and when he gets hurt, he can change how he looks."

    Daughter: --" is that why the woman looks different ?"

    Dad: "No, its just a different girl, the doctor travels with different people. This doctor met this girl, then he got hurt and changed his face.. then he met another girl... then later on he met donna."

    Daughter: -- "So, the girls got killed and they changed faces"

    Dad: "No, they are actually different people.. 2 doctors and 3 girls."

    Daughter: -- "Ok, that makes sense"

    I have an awesome kid.

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  • RotamRotam Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Man, that finale was the worst out of all them, so far.

    It was clustered and terrible. So much unnecessary shit going on.

    Although there were some things I liked about it, namely,
    Davros was pretty good as the badguy even though his plan was totally retarded. And Wilfred. God, Wilfred is the best new character.

    But, yeah, apart from those things, it was really disappointing.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited July 2008
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    I have an awesome kid.

    I can't say how happy I am that the show is such a huge success in England. I love that kids are growing up getting exposed to a show about science and imagination, and I can't wait to see what these kids grow up to do in twenty years.

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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    I have an awesome kid.

    I can't say how happy I am that the show is such a huge success in England. I love that kids are growing up getting exposed to a show about science and imagination, and I can't wait to see what these kids grow up to do in twenty years.

    They're not exposed to science, though. I mean not real science. There is no logical reasoning or deduction or scientific fact involved. In fact, it's the reverse if anything. Explanations and solutions are just pulled out of thin air, which amounts to religion more than science.

    Very imaginative, though.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I don't know about those kids but watching Doctor Who has caused me to gravitate to my bookshelf and read Bill Bryson.

    It's obviously fake science, but at least it made me want to find out about the real science.

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    poshniallo wrote: »
    Seriously, can we talk about RTD without the lazy-arsed dumbness of accusing everyone who doesn't like him of homophobia?

    Coz it's lazy. and dumb. and arsey.

    How about actually taking the time to peruse rec.arts.doctor.who, Outpost Gallifrey, or a random AICN talkback before starting in on this? Because I'm sorry if it makes you sad, but I haven't pulled this out of thin air.

    Of course there are homophobes in the world. I bet the Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph go on about his 'homosexual agenda'.

    I don't care. I don't read those media and places and people because they're stupid. I read D&D because it's not that stupid.

    A few posts above yours someone said, cogently, why they don't like RTD, but you ignored it to talk about dumb people, and intentionally or not, imply that we are all equally dumb.

    I think it's better, for a lot of obvious reasons, if we address one another's posts here rather than conflating our opinions with those of others'.

    Um, please?

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited July 2008
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    They're not exposed to science, though. I mean not real science. There is no logical reasoning or deduction or scientific fact involved.

    Presumably you mean "aside from traveling to the end of the Sun, the heat death of the universe, and a black hole." The rest of it is just normal science fiction tropes. Who isn't doing anything differently from most of what sits on the SF bookshelf, just throwing it all - alternate dimensions, time travel, clones, psychic aliens - together at the same time.

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