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Freedom Of Speech - My Story

G4meboyG4meboy Registered User regular
edited July 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
WHERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH NOW?

Basically I wanted to tell my story to you all and see what you all thought. How it relates to free speech and all that.


The video version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37h8FbJOISk

The written version:
I've been a fan of nerdcore for awhile now. I graduated from high school and moved to Arizona State University two weeks ago to obtain a BA in theatre/film. Since I'm not big on drinking, I was ignored and I spent most of my time in my dorm room. Since I've loved the music, I decided to take Dr. Mario beats and write nerdcore raps over them. I made a 10 track, 20 minute demo CD, and put a note about it on my door.

At 11pm on Wednesday, August 29, someone on my floor came into my room and asked for the CD. I told them they may not like it because the recording was bad, and I played them a few songs, and they liked it, so I burnt them a copy, give it to them, and they leave. Keep in mind for the rest of this, that there was only this 1 copy made, and the time period.

So, they leave and I go to bed. At 2:40am on Thursday, August 30, I get woken up by pounding on my door. I decide to ignore it because I figured it was just some people coming back from a party. The knocking continues for 30min, so I finally get out of bed and look, and see that there are 2 police officers and a dorm administrator standing in the hallway. I think someone got drunk, so they're checking rooms, so I let them in. They tell me immediately they are concerned for my safety/the safety of others because of a track on the demo CD. See, I put a poem on the CD about bullying and the negative effects it has on people (like mc chris' "Geek"). Apparently the person I gave the CD to thought that it meant I was going to do those negative things expressed in the song. So the police search my room for weapons and/or drugs and interview me for 40 min, and decide I'm not a threat and am fine. The dorm administrator tells me that it's fine and the follow up will probably just be them calling me weekly to make sure things are ok.

So I'm just shocked but it seems like it's over, so they leave and I go back to sleep. Wake up, go to class, everything's fine. Then I go to my next class. A few minutes into the class, two more police officers show up and tell me they have to escort me off campus. Apparently the administration felt I was still a threat, so they interim suspended me, which means I was suspended until September 5th, and on that day, we'd have a hearing about my "code of conduct" on campus. They tell me that if I go back on campus, I will get arrested. I don't have a credit card, so I can't book a hotel or anything, the police won't let me go back to my dorm to get anything to survive, and are about to leave me when they realize that I'm 17 (thankfully it happened now, and not after my 18th birthday). So since I'm a minor, they escorted me to the police station because they technically weren't allowed to leave a minor alone.

I read over the paperwork given to me about my behavior. There is a list of about ten things the administration has against me. More than half are lies or stuff other students did to me (such as saying I wrote "666" on my dorm board which was a violent action, even though another student had done it and I erased it as soon as I saw it). The other stuff on the list was them misunderstanding the lyrics of the poem. They also said that since I listened to rap/metal music, it obviously influenced me to make me a violent person (even though they sell the same rap and metal bands in their music store). According to the paperwork, if the administration deems it necessary (which they acted pretty sure on), I could be expelled from school.

Keep in mind, this all happened in within 12 hours, and no one has talked to me / asked my side of the story. Also keep in mind that on that thursday morning, the administration at Virginia Tech stated that they should've suspended or acted on the student earlier to take away the threat, so the ASU administration was probably taking a clue to try and make an example out of me.

So my father has to fly from California to Arizona to pick me up and take me home (because I'm from CA and had nowhere to go in AZ). But his flight got delayed, so I ended up having to sit in the police station waiting room for seven and a half hours. I get taken home and discuss the issue with my parents. We find out that I can withdraw from the school, and get a full tuition/room/food refund if I withdraw by Friday, August 31. So we do, but now I have no college to go to, and my family is thousands of dollars in the hole because of having to fly back and forth between states and such.

Now my parents have to fly to Arizona, rent a car, pack up everything in my dorm, drive back to California, unpack, then drive back to the airport, drop off the car, and take our car back home. All by Sunday, September 2. Meanwhile I get to stay home because I'm still not allowed on campus.




So see what nerdcore rap / your music does to people! It's just aweful. Hah. I don't know. I think it's a crazy story and I hope you enjoyed it, and got somewhat pissed off about what happened. The thing is, all of this just proves what my song was about. Nerds are misunderstood and get screwed over time and time again.

On the plus side, I now have something to advertise my demo with. I'm officially the most controversial college rapper in the USA.

-g4meboy

These lips are trained to taingo.

http://www.myspace.com/g4meboy
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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2008
    That seems messed up. I would probably file a lawsuit if thats what happened.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    *raises fist in the air*

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Post the lyrics.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    By the way, it was a "poem," guys.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yo what part of NorCal are you from G4meboy? What school are you going to?

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  • G4meboyG4meboy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Well luckily I dropped out of ASU mid/late-august. Now I go to school in Southern Oregon because their term started in September and since I dropped none of this craziness got on my records.

    When I'm not in school I live 'bout an hour east from the Bay Area. (ooh look how cryptic I am =P)

    But yeah. I figured it was finally time to make my story public. I shouldn't have to go on hiding it. Spread the word and let people know how effed up it is.





    AND LYRICS:

    You wonder why I write nasty lyrics
    You wonder what the brought me to this
    All you need to do is look at yourself
    And maybe then you'll find the truth
    All the bullying and calling names
    Always being the last choice in games
    Always being told to shut the fuck up
    Always being told to fuck the fuck off
    Always being told to stop being a pussy
    Always being told to pay for everybody
    Always being told to step down again
    Always being told I wasn't a man
    Always being the odd one out
    But getting bitched out when I pout
    Apparently I never knew the plan
    To make me feel like a lesser man
    So I get told I'm emo-cake number two
    But that's okay it sounded kind of cool
    Well always being degraded
    Never taking stands for what I did
    And when I did I was an asshole
    And then I'd be swallowed whole
    By the fuckin hate and the fuckin drama
    That everyone says I cause well nuh uh
    My writing shows all my true thoughts
    That's why they're so violent to get them out
    You wonder why I haven't commited suicied
    You wonder why I haven't pulled a Columbine
    Well that's because my music makes me sane
    Killing you in my dreams is all the same
    Stop fucking around with me and maybe
    Things will end up being less sleazy
    But just lately I have realized
    That they don't cut it, I mean my rhymes
    I feel I'm gettin more violent all the time
    Taking a baseball bat to my fences
    Thinking I'm smashing in your faces
    I'm sick of the disappointment I see all the time
    I'm sick of being told I'll never get mine
    I'm sick of people trying to shut me down
    I'm sick of people trying to take my crown
    I'm sick of having to act like a clown
    Just to get the attention of our town
    Y'all better be glad I don't own a gun
    Y'all better be glad that I can't run
    Y'all better be glad you took all my confidence
    Y'all better be glad you took my prominence
    Left me for nothing, left me for dead
    Well I agree with what Milton said
    "It is better to rule in Hell
    Than it is to serve in Heaven"

    And if you had just listened for one second ASU
    Maybe then you would've found the truth
    You're the exact reason I wrote this song
    Why can't we all just get along
    But you pushed me away and never asked my view
    You thought I was too unsafe for you
    Do I look like the kind of kid that'll go crazy
    Do I look like I'm going to cause another VT
    Of course not! I just listen to ICP
    And try to emulate what I hear and what I see
    So why don't you stop picking on me
    Because truthfully and honestly
    When I was sitting in that police car
    I really wanted to go that far
    I thought maybe I should just prove you right
    And get the media on your smiling faces tonight



    Yeah, I realize it was violent as hell, but I had written it a year earlier and the point of it was supposed to be that this violent music makes things alright. I wrote it when I was pissed off and included it in the CD because geeks go through trauma everyday.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    G4meboy wrote: »
    When I'm not in school I live 'bout an hour east from the Bay Area. (ooh look how cryptic I am =P)\
    So what -- like Vacaville? Don't front. Or Antioch? It's hard to decide which is worse.

    Also -- your dates don't line up. Why are you giving us BS dates? Have you looked at a calendar recently? It's July, dude. Or are you saying this happened last year?

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  • G4meboyG4meboy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yeah this was last year. I got kicked out on August 28th.

    San Ramon / Pleasanton / Dublin area.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Okay -- so it was a year ago that you got kicked out.

    (1) Perhaps the punishments were unacceptable. Depending on how bad they were, you had the option of fighting this or not.
    (2) Perhaps they were totally unjust. We're honestly too far removed from the situation to really make any kind of honest declaration or any kind of actual judgment.
    (3) You made the decision to move on with your life. This is probably a good thing, as Arizona, as a state, is generally a shithole. Congrats for Goldwater, AZ, even diehard liberals have to respect that man, but that's the end of it. Oh, I also like Charles Barkley, even though he's more of a Sixer than a Sun.

    So people overreacted to violent lyrics -- it's pretty de rigeur. Sorry you got caught up in all that. I hope, in the future, you'll be more skilled at sticking up for yourself and making the true intent of your actions known.

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  • G4meboyG4meboy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yes I did have the option of fighting it, but they had already said they would expel me if they felt the intent was still there, which they specifically said to me on the phone.

    As for courts and for why it took a year for me to get this out, my parents didn't want to pursue action and get all the attention to it. After that though, I'm still upset about it and I still think it's a story that needs to be told. So yes, this is quite after the fact, but it's still something relevant and it's still something I think should be said.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Reminds me of when Rambozo got kicked out of school, and came here with a SOB story about how the school was 100% to blame, and that he didn't do anything wrong. Then slowly the whole story came to light: he had numerous run-ins with school administration before, he didn't stop disrupting the class when asked, and he kept pushing something that didn't need to be pushed.

    Not suggesting that the school was justified, exactly. Just saying that what we get here is often only one side of the story.

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  • HybridHybrid South AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Doc wrote: »
    Reminds me of when Rambozo got kicked out of school, and came here with a SOB story about how the school was 100% to blame, and that he didn't do anything wrong. Then slowly the whole story came to light: he had numerous run-ins with school administration before, he didn't stop disrupting the class when asked, and he kept pushing something that didn't need to be pushed.

    Not suggesting that the school was justified, exactly. Just saying that what we get here is often only one side of the story.

    Was that the 'girl that believed in leprechauns' story?

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Hybrid wrote: »
    Doc wrote: »
    Reminds me of when Rambozo got kicked out of school, and came here with a SOB story about how the school was 100% to blame, and that he didn't do anything wrong. Then slowly the whole story came to light: he had numerous run-ins with school administration before, he didn't stop disrupting the class when asked, and he kept pushing something that didn't need to be pushed.

    Not suggesting that the school was justified, exactly. Just saying that what we get here is often only one side of the story.

    Was that the 'girl that believed in leprechauns' story?

    yes.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    To be fair you do listen to ICP. I'd have had you kicked out too.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    To be fair you do listen to ICP. I'd have had you kicked out too.

    Wanted to go there, but didn't.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hybrid wrote: »
    Doc wrote: »
    Reminds me of when Rambozo got kicked out of school, and came here with a SOB story about how the school was 100% to blame, and that he didn't do anything wrong. Then slowly the whole story came to light: he had numerous run-ins with school administration before, he didn't stop disrupting the class when asked, and he kept pushing something that didn't need to be pushed.

    Not suggesting that the school was justified, exactly. Just saying that what we get here is often only one side of the story.

    Was that the 'girl that believed in leprechauns' story?

    Yep.

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  • G4meboyG4meboy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I didn't disrupt classes or anything. I've already said that I can understand that the content looks violent. It's just that there's more to it than just violent lyrics. It's just the absurdity of the situation that a poem I had written a year earlier caused so much controversy.

    And yeah I don't listen to ICP much anymore. I know they aren't the best band in the world, but as stated before, they've helped in certain situations. I do enjoy a good dose of sarcasm though, so thanks.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Have you had previous incidents that involved school administration and/or reprimands in any way?

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  • HybridHybrid South AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    It's just weird when someone has to come and tell their side of the story to a bunch of internet strangers and make them feel good about the situation, like Rambozo did, is all.

    Also, was this before or after that shooting at the Virginia school? Because those sort of things tend to make everyone wacky.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Clearly after, given that it is referenced in the lyrics.

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  • HybridHybrid South AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Ah yes, I missed that bit.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Nerdcore with "Y'all" in it isn't very good nerdcore.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Nerdcore with "Y'all" in it isn't very good nerdcore.

    No, it's just Southern Fried Nerdcore.

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Nerdcore with "Y'all" in it isn't very good nerdcore.

    No, it's just Southern Fried Nerdcore.

    I will crunk you in the face.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    There are plenty of rappers across the country in universities who have lyrics much more violent than this, implying much more explicitly illegal activities. The difference is that this kid looks like the stereotypical Columbine kid, while most rappers do not.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Don't you guys have student unions that have advocacy/support people in universities in the states? That would have been who I would have called, after my parent's lawyer, if this had happened to me.

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  • RuzanRuzan Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Imo, some kid who listens to loud rap and has pentagrams and shit drawn on his door, yea, he needs to be looked at or monitored, hard.

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  • theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I sincerely hope that was sarcasm.

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  • G4meboyG4meboy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    There are plenty of rappers across the country in universities who have lyrics much more violent than this, implying much more explicitly illegal activities. The difference is that this kid looks like the stereotypical Columbine kid, while most rappers do not.
    I didn't know that those kinds of people had a specific look. I'm sorry you feel that way. I however don't really think that people who do the funky chicken and are openly involved in theatre and comedy clubs would do that kind of thing.

    The only reason I was hated in my dorm was because I didn't smoke weed or drink with anyone because I didn't agree with it. They were pissed off at me that I was an "outsider who didn't party." And yet when the police came to my door saying that my music was one of the strikes against me, the metalheads across the hall from me were blasting music that had hateful and violent lyrics in it. It was all a matter of perseption. Who spoke first, who had more on their side.
    Hybrid wrote: »
    It's just weird when someone has to come and tell their side of the story to a bunch of internet strangers and make them feel good about the situation, like Rambozo did, is all.

    Also, was this before or after that shooting at the Virginia school? Because those sort of things tend to make everyone wacky.

    Coincidentally, the same morning I got the interim suspension, the admin from VT went on the news saying they had noticed signs beforehand and didn't do anything about it. If they had acted earlier it may not have happened. Another thing that'd make ASU go insane and mess with me.

    I do understand that my intentions may seem kind of shady. This isn't about me trying to make people feel good about the situation. I'm not trying to make this a sob story or take it too lighthearted. I just am telling a story I think needs to be told. It's a hell of a story.

    What I found interesting though is that I performed the same poem at open mics in Berkeley and got 6th place and at my new school, to which I got standing ovations and quite a few comments on how well written it was. There was absolutely no negative reaction.

    One of the best things to come out of the situation was support from MC Lars. I sent him the written version of my story in September of last year, here was his response:

    "Robbie,

    Wow dude! What a story. Hip-hop has always been controversial, and especially when it pushes the buttons of administrations like that. But your tracks are tight and that's dope that you're doing the thing. The kid who went and complained the hall monitor was a little bitch!! He was offended by your creativity and ability to do something fresh.

    I'm going to post a blog about your story. It needs to be heard. It sucks that you had to go to jail like that man.

    I send you my best, and keep fighting the good fight!

    MC Lars"

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Doc wrote: »
    Have you had previous incidents that involved school administration and/or reprimands in any way?

    Considering dude had said he was seventeen when it happened, and that he had to withdraw by August 31st, it's a very good bet that this was his first offense.

    Edit: Such as it was.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Ruzan wrote: »
    Imo, some kid who listens to loud rap and has pentagrams and shit drawn on his door, yea, he needs to be looked at or monitored, hard.

    Imo, this is a terrible view to hold.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Having worked in Res Life at ASU, I can tell you that they have a complete zero tolerance policy when it comes to anything even remotely percieved as a threat.

    I've seen people kicked out for Airsoft guns, and for jokingly telling someone they were going to kill them. Frankly, it sucks... but, I think the odds of seeing anyone shoot up a hall at ASU are smaller because of it.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    Having worked in Res Life at ASU, I can tell you that they have a complete zero tolerance policy when it comes to anything even remotely percieved as a threat.

    I've seen people kicked out for Airsoft guns, and for jokingly telling someone they were going to kill them. Frankly, it sucks... but, I think the odds of seeing anyone shoot up a hall at ASU are smaller because of it.

    Well, that's why I feel somewhat sad that his parents didn't fight it (though I can understand why they didn't.) Schools do this bullshit as long as they can - it usually takes them losing money for them to realize that "hey, this might not be the best strategy."

    Edit: As for your line about those odds, I think the guy on the c-note would disagree.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Glad you got on with your life, but if this had been me, I'd have been on the phone with the ACLU while they were in the process of escorting me off campus.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Glad you got on with your life, but if this had been me, I'd have been on the phone with the ACLU while they were in the process of escorting me off campus.

    Agreed.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So what part of this is for Debate and or Discourse? Or is this really just some LiveJournal entry that found its way into D&D?

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Glad you got on with your life, but if this had been me, I'd have been on the phone with the ACLU while they were in the process of escorting me off campus.

    Agreed.

    Yep, same here.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    Having worked in Res Life at ASU, I can tell you that they have a complete zero tolerance policy when it comes to anything even remotely percieved as a threat.

    I've seen people kicked out for Airsoft guns, and for jokingly telling someone they were going to kill them. Frankly, it sucks... but, I think the odds of seeing anyone shoot up a hall at ASU are smaller because of it.

    Well, that's why I feel somewhat sad that his parents didn't fight it (though I can understand why they didn't.) Schools do this bullshit as long as they can - it usually takes them losing money for them to realize that "hey, this might not be the best strategy."

    Edit: As for your line about those odds, I think the guy on the c-note would disagree.

    I'm just saying colleges have it really difficult these days. And it's easier to just have an asanine, borderline criminal policy as a way to reduce the risk of someone going nuts. I don't think it's right... and, I can also tell you that if there is one thing ASU Res Life is scared of, it's the ACLU. :D

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    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Do you want serious literary critique, because, uh.... just because you quote Milton like that doesn't mean it's any good.

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