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Bruce Lee - Great at the Art of being Martial
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So I just came back from watching Enter the Dragon, and even as a longtime fan of Bruce Lee the man continues to amaze me. What is so great about his movies is that for the most part he can do everything he does on screen in real life. Bruce Lee is more than just a great fighter, however - he is the creator of Jeet Kune Do - Way of the Intercepting Fist. Jeet Kune Do is a mixture of various styles and tactics, however one of the main aims of the Intercepting Fist is to allow practitioners to free themselves from use of any particular style.
Also did you see when Bruce Lee fought Chuck Norris?
Rome is great for streetfighting
Or when he destroys an entire school of fighters?
Oh God the humanity
One inch punch!
One inch rape morelike
Discuss Bruce Lee and his amazing ability to use nunchaku.
Also did you see when Bruce Lee fought Chuck Norris?
Rome is great for streetfighting
Or when he destroys an entire school of fighters?
Oh God the humanity
One inch punch!
One inch rape morelike
Discuss Bruce Lee and his amazing ability to use nunchaku.
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To create Jeet Kune Do, he took his basis in Wing Chun and tried to apply principles he read about in a book, Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing and Boxing by Edwin L. Haislet. His book for Jeet Kune Do was just an excerpt of his notes. Note that he was not plagiarizing, since his notebook was published post-humously:
He was a masterful marketer, but his marketing propagated several heinous stereotypes. One of the worst ones was that martial artists from China were forbidden or unwilling to teach martial arts to anyone outside their race, whereas the truth is that many of those artists allowed anyone to learn from them. This marketing had the benefit of making him seem unique and rare, to draw in students, but it also drew ire from the community. One martial artist, Wong Jack Man, challenged him to a fight, and according to accounts, Bruce clawed for the eyes and throat. Now, there are no rules in a fight, but it was quite surprising to see that tactic in an exhibition/sparring match. The fight ended in a draw.
Bruce Lee. The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
Separate it.
You need a citation for every single one of those sentences.
He didn't have exceptional martial arts experience. He started wing chun aged about 15. There is conceivably no celebrity ever born that had a bigger aura of bullshit around them than Bruce Lee. You should ignore maybe three quarters of the stuff you hear about his abilities.
My favourite analogy is everyone saying someone is the best swimmer who ever lived without seeing them get in a pool.
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I was terribly disappointed when I found out that like 99.8% of Enter the Dragon was absolute grade-A bullshit.
This is all very new to me, so until I see evidence I'm not changing my opinion of him.
after all this guy at school said he could shoot lasers from his fingers
There was never any definitive account of how the Wong fight ended. Some accounts have Man turning tail and straight-out running from Lee, while Wong claimed they fought for half an hour. Unsurprisingly, Man's friends back his account while Lee's backed his. And it wasn't just sparring, it was a fight. You don't publically issue formal letters of challenge just to practice.
i do,
hey bubba, you sonofabitch, i'm gonna fucking practice your ass to hell. lets practice!
There are myths and legends involved with every good martial artist, but in Bruce Lee's case, a great deal of it was true. He really did perform the one-inch punch. His "unstoppable punch" myth is also true (involving USKA world karate champion Vic Moore, who couldn't block any one of eight of Bruce Lee's straight punches to his face, and this is despite the fact that he was fully prepared). And many others that I can't remember right now.
Most of the bullshit part is in his movies.
Yes, some guy on a forum is a much more trustworthy source.
It's also interesting how angry people get when you suggest that maybe Bruce Lee couldn't shit pennies and teleport.
I found this regarding him and Vic Moore.
Bruce would announce to Vic Moore that he was going to throw a straight punch to his face, and all he had to do was block it. He would take several steps back and ask if Moore was ready, when Moore nodded in affirmation, Lee would glide towards him until he was within striking range. He would then throw a straight punch directly at Moore's face and stop before impact. In eight attempts, Moore blocked zero punches.
Q&A with Vic Moore
3. Can you please tell me what happened at the Long Beach Tournament in 1967 and what Bruce was demonstrating with you?
Victor Moore : We were demonstrating speed punches. Most in the crowd that day would consider it a draw.
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I think what B:L means is Bruce Lee had limited fight experience. Yes there are the rumours of roof-top fights in Hong Kong but there is very limited documentary evidence of Bruce Lee fighting non co-operative opponents as opposed to single technique demonstrations.
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Umm....
He never even got to the most important forms in the wing chun system before he bailed on it.
You say it like it's a bad thing.
It's not a system that takes particularly long to learn. I mean, there's no mystical deathblow revealed to you after 20 years. I can't make value judgments on how it would have made him a better fighter (or actor), but it definitely helped Jackie.
Yeah, he made awesome films and was in great shape. He just wasn't the world's most extraordinary martial artist and to say he is insults the many, many considerably more talented martial artists before and since.
Can you give some examples of more talented fighters, both inside and outside the realm of film?
Preferably in youtube format?
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But this is problematic for 2 reasons.
a) The filming techniques in Bruce Lee's era were restrictive... (I seem to recall early black and white footage where he was asked to slow down). They realy didnt know how to make him look as good as he could have looked.
b) Bruce Lee's reputation comes more from his "street cred". The above examples are fantastic on screen, but I dont know if they have a comparable reputation in combat.
However, there really were such things as "family" or "clan" skills that would not be taught to non-clansmen in clannish cultures, and that sort of thing is hardly relegated to China or East Asia.
Wikipedia says one doctor said he could have died from weed. OLOL.
I'd come at your eyes and throat too if you started a fight with me and you left them open. I mean, who would stand there and trade blows like a frat boy or a boxer in an actual fight unless you were a frat boy or a boxer? Soft targets FTW.
He was a dick and I can say this without just being randomly annoyed at him. I used to be a huge fan of Bruce Lees, loved his movies and thought he was awesome in what he could do and how he did it. Then I decided to read pretty much any book I could about him... and that's when I gained an overall picture of the true story.
No matter the book, whether it be positive or negative toward Bruce Lee, the same things keep popping up:
1. he used to fight and beat people who were weaker than him for fun.
2. he was not always as tough as you think he was (he got beaten up by a cage fighter who held him by the throat whilst he screamed, and he asked a professional boxer to show him a punch three times before he effectively blocked it)
3. he cheated on his wife many many times, even sometimes making it obvious to his children.
4. he abused drugs pretty regularly and was probably a pretty bad father and husband for the way he was.
Outside film? Helio gracie. Jigoro Kano. Muhammad Ali.
In film? Tito Ortiz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywBz3C5tOk
Everyone thinks this.
Gene LeBell is legitimate off screen and very highly regarded by, well, everyone who has heard of him or seen him.
Street Lessons
kick him to the balls
I mean, you all are like "of course he was a horrible, horrible person" but you offer NO evidence whatsoever. Someone freaking post SOMETHING...
And Sentry: Read pretty much any book on Bruce Lee, I read about 10, and look it up yourself. Any internet source could be countered as could any book, but the books aren't just fan or hate mail, they're actual publications that have to contain relevant and truthful material (as best as to the writers knowledge, or they can be sued for slander amongst other things.)
But here's one if you want:
http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/death.html
EDIT: Well damnit...
You're joking, right? Ali could barely stay standing against wrestler Antonio Inoki, and that was with the rules rigged in Ali's favor - eg, no grappling whatsoever, Inoki could only throw a kick if one of his knees was touching the mat, no kicks above the waist, no knee attacks below the waist, no palm strikes to the head, etc. Inoki laid on his back for 15 rounds kicking the crap out of Ali's legs, while Ali struggled to figure out a way to box a guy who was already down (he threw 6 punches in 15 rounds). The fight ended as a draw because Inoki lost 3 points on a foul, and Ali suffered significant damage to his legs.
I'm pretty sure Lee, with a background in a striking art, could do at least as well as a guy whose background was in grappling.
Saying Muhammed Ali wasn't a great fighter is tantamount to calling yourself an idiot. You can argue the merits of Bruce Lee if you want, but go watch a fucking video of Ali fighting in the sport.
which doesn't really matter because bruce lee's reputation in combat is largely bollocks.