Hate/perplexed: Time to find out if this guild is going to try and keep raiding or not. It's getting to the point now where fielding a Sunwell raid isn't an option. No one will go into Hyjal to gear people, and trying to do BT is like pulling teeth, unless it's an Illidan night. Fuck trying to get people to clear the first 6 though. We can't get new recruits into the guild, and whenever we're LUCKY enough to scrape one in there, no one wants to take the time to re-gear someone that isn't dripping in T6.
It's dis-heartening to know that there's 500 guilds trying to get the same people that we and everyone else is to get into Sunwell. Recruiting is such a pain, and picking up people in less than optimal gear isn't even an option.
Hope: If we DO stop raiding, that my Arena Team takes off. We decided to try out a 2healer/3DPS team, since our one Rogue decided to be a douchebag, and our Hunter is on the fritz. So now, it's 2 Warrior/Paladin/Druid/Shaman. 1814 on our first night of games leads me to high hopes. 2/3/4/5 and 4-DPS teams are kinda' rough though. >< Kinda' 50/50, depending on which Map we get, and how focused we are.
Happy: Shaman alt is 50% away from dinging 70. He's been a lot of fun as Enhance, and it should make for some fun times to putz around with him in Kara/heroics. We shall see!
If you want to think about something even more disheartening: It's almost time for the summertime raiders to go back to school. What's super fun is that half of them you wont even know about until you get the post on the forums:
"Oh hey class started, and even though I knew I couldn't make raids starting this week I blew all my DKP on [insert premium item here] so best of luck in SW and thanks for the T6!"
If you want to think about something even more disheartening: It's almost time for the summertime raiders to go back to school. What's super fun is that half of them you wont even know about until you get the post on the forums:
"Oh hey class started, and even though I knew I couldn't make raids starting this week I blew all my DKP on [insert premium item here] so best of luck in SW and thanks for the T6!"
Oh no, we're feeling that.
Just lost a Resto Shaman today who's starting up Nuclear Physics or something of that nature. Really high-end college crap. Lost another one to simply not wanting to raid that much.
So that leaves us with 2, and one that won't raid anything that isn't Sunwell. He's seen up to Felmyst, and doesn't want to do anything else.
If you want to think about something even more disheartening: It's almost time for the summertime raiders to go back to school. What's super fun is that half of them you wont even know about until you get the post on the forums:
"Oh hey class started, and even though I knew I couldn't make raids starting this week I blew all my DKP on [insert premium item here] so best of luck in SW and thanks for the T6!"
Obviously you should level alts with me so we can be like Forar.
I'll have the set to 60 by the end of September I think... I'm actively leveling my lock with my friend's Druid alt, RAF Pally + Warrior, and my 37 mage will receive the RAF bonus levels. I only really have like 45 min a day on weekdays and 3-4 hours on Sat/Sun mornings free to do stuff though.
Edit: The main issue I've had with the alts, Forar idk if you've run into this as well: Once they hit 70 I just don't have time/willpower to gear them out. Well, most of them anyway; my Druid's coming along alright.
I like leveling in my off time because I can walk away whenever. If I want to grab some badges from Kara on my Shaman or something though, there's a 2-3 hour time investment. I'm also stupid and actually feel guilty bringing my undergeared alts into BG's because I get 2 shot and I'm not really contributing anything other than free HK's.
So, there they sit in their quest rewards and blue BoE's.
Edit: The main issue I've had with the alts, Forar idk if you've run into this as well: Once they hit 70 I just don't have time/willpower to gear them out.
When you're playing that many characters, it becomes a matter of doing things efficiently and comparing the time it'll take for a given project versus the outcome.
Considering that the tailored gear sets are equal to T5'ish+ gear, I felt that they were a good investment, so I spent the time and money getting my Priest, Warlock and Mage up to 375 Tailoring. I take them into Karazhan for upgrades and badges now and then, but I'm not spending hours a day trying to run heroics on them, y'know? 3 badges for an hours work versus 22 badges for 2-3 hours plus some potential upgrades is a good use of time, and some weekends I even manage to go twice on different characters.
Running them through 5 mans for a decent baseline set is a good idea, and I BG'd about half of them a 2 min pvp trinket, though I haven't bothered buying, gem'ing and enchanting any of the PVP blues.
If I were utterly insane I'd probably start 4 or 5 arena teams (2v2 most likely) and run them in 3+ games a week for absurd upgrades, but I hate the arena, and don't even do it on my Rogue main, let alone alts in greens.
Oh, I've also all but abandoned the warrior. She's prot, and I can't stand tanking as a warrior compared to my druid and paladin.
The rogue is quite well geared, and the rest of them are more for utility. Back before TBC I used to help balance MC/BWL/ZG and AQ20 with the alt army, these days they mostly see 5 man and Karazhan time.
I could easily bury myself in 100 hours a week played between instances, dailies and pvp, but those days are long past now. I mostly just log on for raids on the rogue, do the cooking daily and AH a few gems for spare cash. The alts only really see time played when Karazhan is short a ______ and I'm not otherwise occupied. The levelling push is when I spent the most time on them, and it's honestly when I probably have some of the most fun. Yeah, repeating a zone for the 8th time might sound like bullshit, but I don't see it that way. Though the classes have similarities, there are differences to playstyle in all of them, so I like seeing what classes can do what (or at least, what I can do with them) in a variety of situations.
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1 of every healing class. Shaman should be 70 tonight or tomorrow.
I'm ready for whatever bullshit "OMGUNEED10OFTHESETOWIN" instances Blizzard is cooking up. Fkin' Shamanwell.
Srsly though, Druids look really really REALLY good for Raid Healing right now. I'm not liking how Shaman seem to want CRIT now(fuck you thinkin', blizz), and Priests have kinda' just gotten the shaft so far. We'll see though. Paladin healing so far is pretty smecksy,
Very cool and happy: At my current job for some reason I can't access my old college email account and I've been cut off from my primary source of emailing people for a little bit (I live where I work by the way, so going home and using my home isp isn't an option). Luckily people outside my network have been able to access things and my gf was kind enough to forward me all my emails to my gmail account. Going through things I find some useful information but I also see something from Blizz that isn't the Friend advertisement...
Good times
Hope: my 51/20 Ass Rogue is everything I hope he can be (Keeping up HfB, Find Weakness, SnD AND rupture... oh god that'd be sweet)
Very cool and happy: At my current job for some reason I can't access my old college email account and I've been cut off from my primary source of emailing people for a little bit (I live where I work by the way, so going home and using my home isp isn't an option). Luckily people outside my network have been able to access things and my gf was kind enough to forward me all my emails to my gmail account. Going through things I find some useful information but I also see something from Blizz that isn't the Friend advertisement...
Good times
Hope: my 51/20 Ass Rogue is everything I hope he can be (Keeping up HfB, Find Weakness, SnD AND rupture... oh god that'd be sweet)
Hate: My guild is in absolute freefall. We've lost about 9 people in the past week, and we're actually backsiding on progression. Somehow I think we won't be around much longer.
As with TBC, people find out that the epics they're raiding hard for now will be replaced by quested or instanced 5 man blues from mid to high 70's instances, and begin wondering if spending their entire summer (evenings) indoors is worth it for shit they'll be "clown-suit"'ing away a few days after WLK comes out.
Edit: Which isn't to say that this is aimed at loot whores in particular. It's disheartening to hear that all you're working towards is merely delaying the inevitable upgrades over the levelling up process. Games are a waste of time to be sure, but a waste of time within a waste of time is so meta'ly horrible some people just snap.
The answer is often no, and sadly, with the huge raid stacking requirements that Sunwell Plateau has, it doesn't take much at all in terms of lost or MIA people to cripple or kill a raid group.
My crew lost a bunch of people a few months back, and had to train and gear a bunch of people to the point that we can kill Twins again, and yet we still have weeks (like this one) with 1 1/2 nights on Brutallus without a kill (I'm not sure how well yesterday went, as I was away).
It's been getting bad for a while now, and it's only going to get worse.
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Hate: My guild is in absolute freefall. We've lost about 9 people in the past week, and we're actually backsiding on progression. Somehow I think we won't be around much longer.
Sadly, with the release of WOTLK looking pretty solid for November, this is when you should start to see raiding guilds run into trouble. As Forar said, why bang your heads against Mr. Come-Back-With-24-Friends night after night when the stuff that he drops will be replaced by Christmas ? You will quickly learn who is in the guild because they enjoy the companionship and atmosphere versus those who are only after the shiniest loot.
I was still raiding when TBC was released and my old guild never recovered from it. In retrospect, rather than trying to force people to continue raiding, we should have loosened the reins and let them pvp or polish their tradeskills or whatever, then tightened things back up for raiding once the core people hit 70.
Hate: Having a hard time finding stuff to do before the expansion and being too indecisive in my post expansion planning.
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
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The thing to do now, it seems to me, is top off your tradeskills and get your ducks lined up for your future Death Knight. If you don't have a 55 on a server where you plan to start a DK, get moving.
Why is not wanting to spend hours and hours in progression attempts limited only to people who want gear above all else, when you know that gear is due to be replaced quite soon? I don't buy that at all.
I play with folks I like, to enjoy the game, but I can't see spending alot of effort on soon-to-be-replaced gear, regardless. I'd much rather go pvp or do heroics with em, or level alts.
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Meh, it's quite possible to raid up until the release of the expansion. We did it with the last one and we're planning on it with this one.
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
edited August 2008
Holy Moley, are you actually quoting Madonna lyrics in your signature ?
If you don't have a 55 on a server where you plan to start a DK, get moving.
Unless this stipulation has been changed, you don't need a 55 on the server you wish to create a deathknight, just a level 55 character on your account in general.
The only restrictions I've seen so far are the usual PVP server restrictions (no Horde DK if you have Alliance characters on that server already) and they're pondering the rate at which you'll be able to create a DK on a new server (doesn't make sense to have level 55 characters ganking the shit out of a bunch of level 10's). The former is ironclad, the latter will likely be a time-related thing like transfers to new servers (though not necessarily that long).
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Hate: I'm totally contemplating levelling an Alliance Warrior to 70 because I'm totally bored of Paladin tanking, but having two level 70 prot Warriors is fucking stupid.
Meh, it's quite possible to raid up until the release of the expansion. We did it with the last one and we're planning on it with this one.
The main reason people seemed to stop raiding pre-BC was the gear reset, when you were easily replacing T1 and some T2 gear in hellfire with the first couple of quests.
So far it looks like its a very soft gear reset, with kara gear still beating out the early quest rewards.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
Holy Moley, are you actually quoting Madonna lyrics in your signature ?
To the best of my knowledge, she is one of the few people to not cover that song.
I'm pretty sure Madonna didn't write Seasons in the Sun.
Terry Jacks, based on a translation from a Frenchman I don't recall. It's been covered a lot. Nirvana and Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies comes to mind and I'm told the Beach Boys have done it as well but I've never heard that version.
I'm kind of in an odd spot. I want to level tailoring to get frozen shadoweave and start raiding, but by then wrath will be hitting so there may not be a point anymore. Well, hopefully I'll play long enough again to experience wrath raids and beating the shit out of BC raids at level 80.
I'm kind of in an odd spot. I want to level tailoring to get frozen shadoweave and start raiding, but by then wrath will be hitting so there may not be a point anymore. Well, hopefully I'll play long enough again to experience wrath raids and beating the shit out of BC raids at level 80.
If you're a shadow priest totally do it. The gear is sick nasty.
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It's dis-heartening to know that there's 500 guilds trying to get the same people that we and everyone else is to get into Sunwell. Recruiting is such a pain, and picking up people in less than optimal gear isn't even an option.
Hope: If we DO stop raiding, that my Arena Team takes off. We decided to try out a 2healer/3DPS team, since our one Rogue decided to be a douchebag, and our Hunter is on the fritz. So now, it's 2 Warrior/Paladin/Druid/Shaman. 1814 on our first night of games leads me to high hopes. 2/3/4/5 and 4-DPS teams are kinda' rough though. >< Kinda' 50/50, depending on which Map we get, and how focused we are.
Happy: Shaman alt is 50% away from dinging 70. He's been a lot of fun as Enhance, and it should make for some fun times to putz around with him in Kara/heroics. We shall see!
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Wtf: Is wrong with me? There's probably something more useful to spend my time on than a crappy title...
"Oh hey class started, and even though I knew I couldn't make raids starting this week I blew all my DKP on [insert premium item here] so best of luck in SW and thanks for the T6!"
Happy: You did that on a smelly elf? Arathor tabard shouldn't be as hard as I thought as a human then 8-)
I guess I still need to do the tabard quest, but meh, I'm not gonna hurry on that.
I hate the fact I keep trying and beyond boring to get Ab to exalted
I just need it seems more than 100 games to go sigh
Oh no, we're feeling that.
Just lost a Resto Shaman today who's starting up Nuclear Physics or something of that nature. Really high-end college crap. Lost another one to simply not wanting to raid that much.
So that leaves us with 2, and one that won't raid anything that isn't Sunwell. He's seen up to Felmyst, and doesn't want to do anything else.
It's great.
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
I am legally obligated to note that this is NOT a good idea.
Don't be like me. RUN FREE!
Happy: Gold Medal! It took a couple hours, but wasn't nearly as difficult to get as I thought it would be.
Edit: The main issue I've had with the alts, Forar idk if you've run into this as well: Once they hit 70 I just don't have time/willpower to gear them out. Well, most of them anyway; my Druid's coming along alright.
I like leveling in my off time because I can walk away whenever. If I want to grab some badges from Kara on my Shaman or something though, there's a 2-3 hour time investment. I'm also stupid and actually feel guilty bringing my undergeared alts into BG's because I get 2 shot and I'm not really contributing anything other than free HK's.
So, there they sit in their quest rewards and blue BoE's.
Hate: We're up to four accounts we pay for.
Happy: Got into the Beta on two of those accounts.
Hate: I haven't had much time to play the Beta between leveling with the wife and raiding.
I'll be more than happy to help with the Beta stuff if you know what I mean.
When you're playing that many characters, it becomes a matter of doing things efficiently and comparing the time it'll take for a given project versus the outcome.
Considering that the tailored gear sets are equal to T5'ish+ gear, I felt that they were a good investment, so I spent the time and money getting my Priest, Warlock and Mage up to 375 Tailoring. I take them into Karazhan for upgrades and badges now and then, but I'm not spending hours a day trying to run heroics on them, y'know? 3 badges for an hours work versus 22 badges for 2-3 hours plus some potential upgrades is a good use of time, and some weekends I even manage to go twice on different characters.
Running them through 5 mans for a decent baseline set is a good idea, and I BG'd about half of them a 2 min pvp trinket, though I haven't bothered buying, gem'ing and enchanting any of the PVP blues.
If I were utterly insane I'd probably start 4 or 5 arena teams (2v2 most likely) and run them in 3+ games a week for absurd upgrades, but I hate the arena, and don't even do it on my Rogue main, let alone alts in greens.
Oh, I've also all but abandoned the warrior. She's prot, and I can't stand tanking as a warrior compared to my druid and paladin.
The rogue is quite well geared, and the rest of them are more for utility. Back before TBC I used to help balance MC/BWL/ZG and AQ20 with the alt army, these days they mostly see 5 man and Karazhan time.
I could easily bury myself in 100 hours a week played between instances, dailies and pvp, but those days are long past now. I mostly just log on for raids on the rogue, do the cooking daily and AH a few gems for spare cash. The alts only really see time played when Karazhan is short a ______ and I'm not otherwise occupied. The levelling push is when I spent the most time on them, and it's honestly when I probably have some of the most fun. Yeah, repeating a zone for the 8th time might sound like bullshit, but I don't see it that way. Though the classes have similarities, there are differences to playstyle in all of them, so I like seeing what classes can do what (or at least, what I can do with them) in a variety of situations.
Haha, understatement of the year.
I also have my hunter and enh shaman on horde side if the above three fail.
I'm ready for whatever bullshit "OMGUNEED10OFTHESETOWIN" instances Blizzard is cooking up. Fkin' Shamanwell.
Srsly though, Druids look really really REALLY good for Raid Healing right now. I'm not liking how Shaman seem to want CRIT now(fuck you thinkin', blizz), and Priests have kinda' just gotten the shaft so far. We'll see though. Paladin healing so far is pretty smecksy,
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Good times
Hope: my 51/20 Ass Rogue is everything I hope he can be (Keeping up HfB, Find Weakness, SnD AND rupture... oh god that'd be sweet)
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More like 51/17!!!! (Level cap)
As with TBC, people find out that the epics they're raiding hard for now will be replaced by quested or instanced 5 man blues from mid to high 70's instances, and begin wondering if spending their entire summer (evenings) indoors is worth it for shit they'll be "clown-suit"'ing away a few days after WLK comes out.
Edit: Which isn't to say that this is aimed at loot whores in particular. It's disheartening to hear that all you're working towards is merely delaying the inevitable upgrades over the levelling up process. Games are a waste of time to be sure, but a waste of time within a waste of time is so meta'ly horrible some people just snap.
The answer is often no, and sadly, with the huge raid stacking requirements that Sunwell Plateau has, it doesn't take much at all in terms of lost or MIA people to cripple or kill a raid group.
My crew lost a bunch of people a few months back, and had to train and gear a bunch of people to the point that we can kill Twins again, and yet we still have weeks (like this one) with 1 1/2 nights on Brutallus without a kill (I'm not sure how well yesterday went, as I was away).
It's been getting bad for a while now, and it's only going to get worse.
Stop it.
I was still raiding when TBC was released and my old guild never recovered from it. In retrospect, rather than trying to force people to continue raiding, we should have loosened the reins and let them pvp or polish their tradeskills or whatever, then tightened things back up for raiding once the core people hit 70.
I play with folks I like, to enjoy the game, but I can't see spending alot of effort on soon-to-be-replaced gear, regardless. I'd much rather go pvp or do heroics with em, or level alts.
Unless this stipulation has been changed, you don't need a 55 on the server you wish to create a deathknight, just a level 55 character on your account in general.
The only restrictions I've seen so far are the usual PVP server restrictions (no Horde DK if you have Alliance characters on that server already) and they're pondering the rate at which you'll be able to create a DK on a new server (doesn't make sense to have level 55 characters ganking the shit out of a bunch of level 10's). The former is ironclad, the latter will likely be a time-related thing like transfers to new servers (though not necessarily that long).
Everyone in Europe roll Horde for PVE, please.
The main reason people seemed to stop raiding pre-BC was the gear reset, when you were easily replacing T1 and some T2 gear in hellfire with the first couple of quests.
So far it looks like its a very soft gear reset, with kara gear still beating out the early quest rewards.
To the best of my knowledge, she is one of the few people to not cover that song.
Terry Jacks, based on a translation from a Frenchman I don't recall. It's been covered a lot. Nirvana and Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies comes to mind and I'm told the Beach Boys have done it as well but I've never heard that version.
If you're a shadow priest totally do it. The gear is sick nasty.