The picture doesn't look bad or anything but the lack of feet is starting to get ridiculous. Finch is better than Liefeld so he should start showing it.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
That's gotta sting, Neil Gaiman's death being drawn by David Finch.
eh it's not like he didn't give permission
At least do something like getting Dave McKean to do the cover. Let him "welcome" The Endless back to DC, then go to town with all the new DC artists drawing the characters.
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MaratastikJust call me Mara, please!Registered Userregular
edited July 2010
So my JLA hardcovers 1-3 finally came in! Woot! Also, long haired Superman is the manliest man.
I'm done with it. I'll write more in the bitching thread, but really, this might be the most boring Superman book I've ever read. It took me the entire course of the day yesterday to read it. I had to start and stop about 4 times just to get through it, with long breaks in between.
Based on how bad "Grounded" part 1 was, I might drop Wonder Woman before it even starts.
I just noticed DC is releasing an Absolute edition of All-Star Superman in October. Honestly though I don't know why anyone would pay the 100 dollar retail price when both trades are only 13 retail each. Oh sure you'd only end up paying around 65 on Amazon but you could still get both trades the same way for around 17 total. I wonder why it's priced 100 retail anyway, seems it should be 75 instead but they can price it however they want I guess.
Yeah, I don't always understand absolute editions for some books.
But to be fair, they normally come with incredible packaging; blown-up, uncut-at-the-bleed art; sketchbooks and interviews; and a ton of other supplementary materials. Still, it seems like that could be done for $50 and still make a profit.
Marvel's omnibus editions are a little better, if not as awesome, although they sometimes run the prices way up high also.
If All-Star B&R can get a rename, I think All-Star Superman should too, at least for the absolute. In comic book history, no one is going to remember the failed All-Star line, just this story, and how weird and bland the title is.
If All-Star B&R can get a rename, I think All-Star Superman should too, at least for the absolute. In comic book history, no one is going to remember the failed All-Star line, just this story, and how weird and bland the title is.
Id rather just an oversized ASS hardcover. Absolutes are nice and all, but I find I never read them or want to lend them out and have to find a special spot to stick them. New Frontier I had to get for the art and Sandman recoloured some particularly bad spots, so got it for that and the extras, but I ended up selling the rest of them and downgrading to bookshelf sized hardcovers in most cases (DKR, Watchmen, etc).
Anyone else feel Grounded would work better if it was written from a civilian perspective rather than Superman's?
I think that would have made the mundane problems Superman's addressing seem more important while also allowing Superman to seem less pompous and condescending. Having a god walk among normal people is a big deal for the average joe, but it's impossible to represent it from the god's perspective and not make it seem like he's toying with people and wasting his time.
Yeah. I think it would definitely work from Clark Kent's perspective. Of course, having Clark walk across America comes with its own set of problems. Clark has taken so much time off from work lately at the Planet. At this point it would be like his third sabbatical in a row or something.
At least with Superman trekking across America, it gives Clark a valid excuse to be gone. He's covering the journey.
But honestly, the timing on this story is terrible. It doesn't matter who is doing the trekking at this point. Between Superman being de-powered and recovering during 52, to him leaving Earth for an entire year for the New Krypton stuff, he really needs a story on Earth where he's just doing the traditional Superman thing.
I feel like Grounded would work better if, you know, there were some good writing involved. Compare a specific scene from Superman #701 to an incredibly similar scene from All Star Superman. JMS took 8 pages to do what Morrison did in one and unlike JMS, Morrison actually managed to write Superman in-character without any preachy idiocy.
I'm not sure what JMS's goal is with this stupid storyline but I don't really think it should've made me actually depressed after reading it. I don't read Superman comics to read what self entitled assholes expect from Superman. Nor do I read it for preachy Superman or mopey Superman. Hence why this comic is now relegated to Titans prison (where books like Titans, Teen Titans and Didio's Outsiders are locked in cages) in my mind and I'll try my best to ignore it until there's a significant change.
Yeah. I think it would definitely work from Clark Kent's perspective. Of course, having Clark walk across America comes with its own set of problems. Clark has taken so much time off from work lately at the Planet. At this point it would be like his third sabbatical in a row or something.
I meant from the perspective of the people Superman is talking to, as I think that would prevent the story from feeling as frivolous as it does now. From their vantage point, their problems are the most important things in the world, even if they're small potatoes compared to the sort of thing Superman usually tackles.
By writing it from Superman's viewpoint, though, the audience is left to wonder why Superman is wasting his time lecturing people on the street. Meeting Superman is a life-changing event for any person, but for Superman the experience is beyond banal. Why, then, would you concentrate on Superman's take on things rather than the normal person's?
I liked most of Busiek's run on Superman. The one exception was the short arc where he fought some sort of space bee queen. That one was a bit dreary.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited July 2010
Action Comics #800 had a story about Clark going to Metropolis, but it also has side stories from people (I think real people actually) about how Superman has impacted their life. Like a man who was illiterate learned to read because of Superman comics, and how a kid used Superman for his inspiration when he was going through Chemotherapy. It was some strong stuff, and now I have to post it in the Awesome Moments thread.
I think it'll turn out like the New Frontier adaptation in that it will fall short in numerous ways and offer nothing to make up for its shortcomings.
It'll still be entertaining, but ultimately you'll be left feeling that it wasn't worth time and effort that could have been dedicated to an original work.
New Frontier, Public Enemies, and Under the Red Hood are my bottom three Direct to DVD films, so I wouldn't expect another adaptation of a comic story to be successful.
New Frontier, Public Enemies, and Under the Red Hood are my bottom three Direct to DVD films, so I wouldn't expect another adaptation of a comic story to be successful.
But... Red Hood was so good! It was pretty much better than the source material.
I think it'll turn out like the New Frontier adaptation in that it will fall short in numerous ways and offer nothing to make up for its shortcomings.
It'll still be entertaining, but ultimately you'll be left feeling that it wasn't worth time and effort that could have been dedicated to an original work.
Yeah I posted a pretty similar opinion in the movie/game thread. I really don't think they can live up to All Star Superman's awesomeness.
I liked Red Hood though, despite not liking the original story or Jason Todd. I thought the changes they made actually made it a far better story. I haven't seen Superman/Batman Public Enemies yet but I can't imagine it being any worse than the original story.
New Frontier, Public Enemies, and Under the Red Hood are my bottom three Direct to DVD films, so I wouldn't expect another adaptation of a comic story to be successful.
Wow. The New Frontier is in the same league as Public Enemies? I mean your opinion is your opinion but Jesus.. Give New Frontier SOME credit.
I thought New Frontier was great. Culled just enough of the story for a good adaptation. It's not straight up copy and paste story and unique in its own way. Maintains the great visual style, too. Still not my favourite recent direct to dvd, but definitely lived up to what I was hoping for.
MaratastikJust call me Mara, please!Registered Userregular
edited July 2010
Here are the best Superman stories in recent years that will give you everything you're asking for from a Superman story:
Superman #151-190,
Action Comics 760-810,
Adventures of Superman 585-615
Superman Man of Steel 95-134
You can find them in the back issues/dollar bins (though they should all be CGC 10.0 grades).
They were also put into the following trades but most are out of print:
Superman: No Limits
Superman: Endgame
Superman: Critical Condition
Superman: Emperor Joker
Superman: President Lex
Superman: Our Worlds at War
Superman: Return to Krypton
Superman: Ending Battle
And of course Superman: Man of Steel by John Byrne is hella good. And Superman: Birthright.
So I had already managed to grab Our Worlds at War, Return to Krypton, and Ending Battle. I finally broke down and got on amazon and just ordered No Limits, Endgame, Critical Condition, Emperor Joker and President Lex. Figured I'd get all the out of print ones in one go. I'm pretty excited for them to arrive. Anyway, I was planning on picking up Byrne's Man of Steel vol. 1,2 and 3 and I noticed there is also a vol. 4,5 and 6. I've been told 1-3 are good, but are 4,5 and 6 also worth picking up?
Also, your guy's suggestions have cost my so much $$$ in the past couple months. :P But it's been well spent. :^:
Here are the best Superman stories in recent years that will give you everything you're asking for from a Superman story:
Superman #151-190,
Action Comics 760-810,
Adventures of Superman 585-615
Superman Man of Steel 95-134
You can find them in the back issues/dollar bins (though they should all be CGC 10.0 grades).
They were also put into the following trades but most are out of print:
Superman: No Limits
Superman: Endgame
Superman: Critical Condition
Superman: Emperor Joker
Superman: President Lex
Superman: Our Worlds at War
Superman: Return to Krypton
Superman: Ending Battle
And of course Superman: Man of Steel by John Byrne is hella good. And Superman: Birthright.
So I had already managed to grab Our Worlds at War, Return to Krypton, and Ending Battle. I finally broke down and got on amazon and just ordered No Limits, Endgame, Critical Condition, Emperor Joker and President Lex. Figured I'd get all the out of print ones in one go. I'm pretty excited for them to arrive. Anyway, I was planning on picking up Byrne's Man of Steel vol. 1,2 and 3 and I noticed there is also a vol. 4,5 and 6. I've been told 1-3 are good, but are 4,5 and 6 also worth picking up?
Also, your guy's suggestions have cost my so much $$$ in the past couple months. :P But it's been well spent. :^:
I'd say 95% of the Byrne Superman stuff is good - there are some clunkers here and there. The original Man of Steel miniseries is great, his run on Action Comics is fun (basically Byrne doing Marvel Team-Up with Superman and <insert hero / team here> - stories had the Titans, Spectre, Demon, Green Lantern, Hawkman/woman, Booster Gold), and his main Superman title is good. Adventures of Superman was done by Wolfman and Ordway (Byrne jumped in later) - its my least favorite of the three reboot titles.
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At least do something like getting Dave McKean to do the cover. Let him "welcome" The Endless back to DC, then go to town with all the new DC artists drawing the characters.
So I have to read it for at least 2 issues, so I can see Superman make an ass out of himself in my metro-area.
Wonderful. I have a feeling that this is going to be my "scared straight" moment that really does make me drop the book.
Based on how bad "Grounded" part 1 was, I might drop Wonder Woman before it even starts.
But to be fair, they normally come with incredible packaging; blown-up, uncut-at-the-bleed art; sketchbooks and interviews; and a ton of other supplementary materials. Still, it seems like that could be done for $50 and still make a profit.
Marvel's omnibus editions are a little better, if not as awesome, although they sometimes run the prices way up high also.
JMS Presents: Superman vs Child Abuse!
I am a whore for Superman, and for DC books in general, and really any book that I bother to pick up to begin with I'll stay on for awhile.
But this has literally crossed the line. I'm getting that Detroit issue, and then cutting off from this book.
that's a price i would pay.
That'd ruin the pun, though.
you know, this is based on the very start of this thread, but I just had a random thought - fighting robots must be really satisfying to supes.
I mean, all the time he comes up against these total bastards, but he's gotta have self control and not just take them out.
But then he sees a robot. And you know he's thinking "Finally, I just get to punch some heads off."
Fuckin' robots. Supes hates them, with their robo eyes and unfeeling logic.
I think that would have made the mundane problems Superman's addressing seem more important while also allowing Superman to seem less pompous and condescending. Having a god walk among normal people is a big deal for the average joe, but it's impossible to represent it from the god's perspective and not make it seem like he's toying with people and wasting his time.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
At least with Superman trekking across America, it gives Clark a valid excuse to be gone. He's covering the journey.
But honestly, the timing on this story is terrible. It doesn't matter who is doing the trekking at this point. Between Superman being de-powered and recovering during 52, to him leaving Earth for an entire year for the New Krypton stuff, he really needs a story on Earth where he's just doing the traditional Superman thing.
I'm not sure what JMS's goal is with this stupid storyline but I don't really think it should've made me actually depressed after reading it. I don't read Superman comics to read what self entitled assholes expect from Superman. Nor do I read it for preachy Superman or mopey Superman. Hence why this comic is now relegated to Titans prison (where books like Titans, Teen Titans and Didio's Outsiders are locked in cages) in my mind and I'll try my best to ignore it until there's a significant change.
I meant from the perspective of the people Superman is talking to, as I think that would prevent the story from feeling as frivolous as it does now. From their vantage point, their problems are the most important things in the world, even if they're small potatoes compared to the sort of thing Superman usually tackles.
By writing it from Superman's viewpoint, though, the audience is left to wonder why Superman is wasting his time lecturing people on the street. Meeting Superman is a life-changing event for any person, but for Superman the experience is beyond banal. Why, then, would you concentrate on Superman's take on things rather than the normal person's?
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
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I am.... just so happy
It'll still be entertaining, but ultimately you'll be left feeling that it wasn't worth time and effort that could have been dedicated to an original work.
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Don't let JMS keep you down.
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But... Red Hood was so good! It was pretty much better than the source material.
Yeah I posted a pretty similar opinion in the movie/game thread. I really don't think they can live up to All Star Superman's awesomeness.
I liked Red Hood though, despite not liking the original story or Jason Todd. I thought the changes they made actually made it a far better story. I haven't seen Superman/Batman Public Enemies yet but I can't imagine it being any worse than the original story.
Wow. The New Frontier is in the same league as Public Enemies? I mean your opinion is your opinion but Jesus.. Give New Frontier SOME credit.
Can't expect him to do anything else though can you. "Yeah, it's OK but the fans hate it," is not a good marketing strategy.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
So I had already managed to grab Our Worlds at War, Return to Krypton, and Ending Battle. I finally broke down and got on amazon and just ordered No Limits, Endgame, Critical Condition, Emperor Joker and President Lex. Figured I'd get all the out of print ones in one go. I'm pretty excited for them to arrive. Anyway, I was planning on picking up Byrne's Man of Steel vol. 1,2 and 3 and I noticed there is also a vol. 4,5 and 6. I've been told 1-3 are good, but are 4,5 and 6 also worth picking up?
Also, your guy's suggestions have cost my so much $$$ in the past couple months. :P But it's been well spent. :^:
I'd say 95% of the Byrne Superman stuff is good - there are some clunkers here and there. The original Man of Steel miniseries is great, his run on Action Comics is fun (basically Byrne doing Marvel Team-Up with Superman and <insert hero / team here> - stories had the Titans, Spectre, Demon, Green Lantern, Hawkman/woman, Booster Gold), and his main Superman title is good. Adventures of Superman was done by Wolfman and Ordway (Byrne jumped in later) - its my least favorite of the three reboot titles.