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    ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Bizarro in modern continuity: from Bizarro planet, batched superclone, or other?

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think the current Bizarro is actually a holdover from the Emperor Joker series. The omnipotent Joker basically wished him into existence.

    I'm sure that at some point Johns or another writer will get the Silver Age hair up their ass and reveal that, as of the most recent Crisis, Bizarro is back to having a more iconic origin.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think it was in the recent Johns arc that Bizarro is from Square-Earth. Its a planet full of Bizarro's that take on the form of their earth counterparts. There's a Bizarro Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Yeah I thought Johns already did a Bizzaro story in Action Comics

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited November 2008
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I think it was in the recent Johns arc that Bizarro is from Square-Earth. Its a planet full of Bizarro's that take on the form of their earth counterparts. There's a Bizarro Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc.

    That's how they did things in All-Star Superman as well. It's sort of a next-gen take on the old Bizarro World from the Silver Age.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    t:|

    geoff johns i am doing this as hard as i can

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Munch wrote: »
    t:|

    geoff johns i am doing this as hard as i can

    Oh shut it, that story was awesome.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    furu let me double your pleasure

    t:|t

    Seriously, I understand the urge to return things to their earliest, most iconic states, and usually prefer it to some degree. I mean, I'm glad Zod's back to being a Kryptonian prisoner of the Phantom Zone, and not some crazy Russian dude in red armor or whatever the fuck.

    But to just say, "Nope that never happened, this did instead. Explain it? Uhhh-- there was a Crisis," is sort of lazy.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Afterwards Bizarro left Earth to create a home for himself. After creating a cube shaped planet, filled with abstract versions of various buildings and locations on Earth, Bizarro found himself still lonely. Bizarro finds that, under the power of a blue sun, he gained a new ability called "Bizarro Vision". He uses his new ability to populate the planet with Bizarros, starting with a Bizarro Lois, that feared and hated him. Attempting to find answers Bizarro abducts Pa Kent and Superman follows in pursuit. With Superman's help, he becomes the new Bizarro World's greatest hero.[3]

    He wasn't from Bizarro World. He created it.

    I'm pretty sure the Emperor Joker origin still holds true.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I just checked the Wiki and yeah, I remembered that story completely wrong apparently.

    Geoff Johns, we cool brosef. We cool.

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    RansRans Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    This does not change the fact that Geoff Johns is terrible and that his Green Lantern stuff is the exception to that rule.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You're stupid, because his JSA and his Flash and his Superman and also Stars and STRIPE are all awesome.

    Infinite Crisis was the exception to the rule

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited November 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    You're stupid, because his JSA and his Flash and his Superman and also Stars and STRIPE are all awesome.

    I liked JSA a lot but there was more creepy dismemberment on like page 3 of the first issue.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    the first issue of the recent re-launch or the first issue of the previous series

    oh and his Teen Titans was pretty good too

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    ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Munch wrote: »
    I think the current Bizarro is actually a holdover from the Emperor Joker series. The omnipotent Joker basically wished him into existence.

    that sounds ridiculous.

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    mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Munch wrote: »
    I think the current Bizarro is actually a holdover from the Emperor Joker series. The omnipotent Joker basically wished him into existence.

    that sounds ridiculous.

    Hold on, you're complaining that it sounds ridiculous that an omnipotent Joker, having stolen the power of Batmite and Mr. Myzpltlk (or however that's spelled) wishing a semi-inverted version of Superman is ridiculous?

    I'm .... I'm sorry, I forgot my point, here.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think we can all agree that that is pretty much the definition of ridiculous. I mean, that was sort of the point.

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    ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I only assume then, that the story was a light-hearted and humorous one.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    No, it was by far Jeph Loeb's most dramatic work, and it literally changes the life of everyone it touches.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Rans wrote: »
    This does not change the fact that Geoff Johns is terrible and that his Green Lantern stuff is the exception to that rule.

    I think he has his good days and his bad days, but the good outweighs the bad.

    Plus, from where I'm sitting, it seems like he's basically keeping DC afloat. Sure there are a few other high quality people like Simone and Morrison, but they're not nearly as prolific. And a lot of the guys that are both prolific and talented have let their exclusives lapse, and now do work for the competition, like Rucka and Waid.

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    sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Geoff Johns, to me, is one of the better/best writers going right now. His stuff is rarely lame, and I enjoy the whole "silver aging" he does a lot.

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    RansRans Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    See I hate the whole "return to the silver age" crap that's been going on at DC for a few years now and mostly I blame Johns for it. Green Lantern seems to be the only place where he isn't mining the shit out of 40 year old stories.

    edit: but i do agree that Johns is the only one keeping DC afloat. After Final Crisis and his run on Batman, Morrison's changes will be quickly undone and everyone else just seems to roll their heads around on their keyboard and it sees print.

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    WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Indeed, in GL he's only mining a single 20-year old story.

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    sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Why do you hate the silver age? He doesn't rape characters, kill them pointlessly, do too many terrible ret-cons, etc. So his tastes are old-school. He's still awesome. His Flash run, JSA run, and GL run have been the best those comics have been in years/ever. They're some of the better comics you could read. I really think they'll stand up to time too.

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited November 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    the first issue of the recent re-launch or the first issue of the previous series

    The relaunch. The one where Nazis were going around ripping people's arms off and liquefying kids at picnics. That stuff kind of had me D:

    EDIT: especially when contrasted with his silver-agey tendencies. Even most of the "grim and gritty" stuff from the 80s and 90s didn't have this level of crazy gonzo violence

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I honestly liked Johns' first JSA series better than the current one, specifically the era with Captain Marvel and Black Adam both on the team.

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    Red or AliveRed or Alive Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The current one's literally taking years to adopt any kind of direction (beyond adding more characters to the team with every second issue). I'm enjoying it, but I don't think that kind of slow burn is suited to a monthly.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited November 2008
    In Action, we’re going to see some major changes – Superman will not be featured in Action Comics. The stars of Action will be the new team of Flamebird and Nightwing. Flamebird is a character we’ve seen, but this is the first time we’re seeing her in costume. Nightwing is a character that we’ve known in the DCU for a little while, but he’s new to the Nightwing costume as well. The team on that book will be Greg Rucka with Eddy Barrows. Eddy will be moving over from Teen Titans.

    I wonder who Nightwing and Flamebird are. I'm eh on a book about them, but I like Rucka. But I hate Eddy Barrows (but at least he'll be off of Teen Titans; now to just get McKeever off as well).
    The big question is where Geoff Johns and Gary Frank are going. They will be doing Superman: Secret Origin as a miniseries coming up later in the year. We decided to run that as its own miniseries, different from what Geoff just did in Green Lantern. It gives them a little more time to work it, they don’t have to struggle against the ongoing schedule, and it won’t throw off the triangles on the covers which keep track of the story. They’ll be doing the definitive origin of Superman as we’ve seen it all take place, and incorporating the changes that we’ve seen or suggested since Infinite Crisis.

    Well at least it won't be taking up the main series.

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    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    ugh

    there goes my interest in the superman books

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Shouldn't figuring out who Nightwing and Flamebird are be as easy as producing a list of Kryptonians?

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Why do I get the vague feeling that Bette Kane will be getting fed into a woodchipper soon, so as not to confuse anyone with two Flamebirds? Though Johns was the one to bring her back in Beast Boy's mini-series, so maybe not.

    Also, the implications of this, from the same Didio Q&A, makes me seethe.
    Newsarama wrote:
    14. Could Oracle ever become Batgirl again on your watch?

    DIDIO: You know what? There’s a lot to be said for a Barbara Gordon Batgirl.

    NRAMA: Is there any amount of pressing that will get any more out of you on that front?

    DIDIO: [laughs] Not really, no.

    I'm all for Barbara getting back the use of her legs, but keep her as Oracle. Or shove Kate Kane off into obscurity and make Babs into Batwoman. She's a little too old to be anything-girl at this point.

    I just get the feeling that, given the current crop of writers and editors at DC don't seem to know what the fuck to do with Cassandra Cain, and Didio's comments at cons about how the Batgirl mini underperformed, he's going to off Cass or pull a Kyle Rayner on her.

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    Red or AliveRed or Alive Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I wasn't aware that anyone gave a rat's ass about the current Batwoman. Apart from Greg Rucka, obviously.

    EDIT: Sorry, misread your post.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    That's why I'm all for pushing her aside in favor of a Babs Batwoman. She doesn't really have any kind of appreciable connection to the Batman mythos, she's woefully underdeveloped, and every time she appears the general fan consensus seems to be a strong, "Meh."

    Though the Greg Rucka/JH Williams III mini-series may do a lot to change that.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I give a rats ass. She's a hot redhead lesbian.

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    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Munch wrote: »
    That's why I'm all for pushing her aside in favor of a Babs Batwoman. She doesn't really have any kind of appreciable connection to the Batman mythos, she's woefully underdeveloped, and every time she appears the general fan consensus seems to be a strong, "Meh."

    Though the Greg Rucka/JH Williams III mini-series may do a lot to change that.
    i'll buy it for the art

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited November 2008
    I wasn't aware that anyone gave a rat's ass about the current Batwoman. Apart from Greg Rucka, obviously.

    EDIT: Sorry, misread your post.

    I don't think it's "apart from Greg Rucka" as much as it is "Greg Rucka gets pissy when anyone but him uses "his" characters in anything"

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Oh shit, Supergirl's mom is a bitch.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Oh shit, Supergirl's mom is a bitch.

    Yeah I know. I was thinking she was gonna be the new Super Woman until I read today's Superman.

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    HtownHtown Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You know, I have never really read any Supergirl comics, but I get the feeling that they're using the whole
    kryptonite poisoning
    thing to retcon a bunch of unpopular Supergirl issues.

    Am I right?

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited November 2008
    Basically, yeah.

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