The lack of any kind of consistent direction in the current Supergirl book was (still is?) astounding. I'm glad I stopped reading it before sunstones started shooting out of her spine.
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You know, usually shared world continuity flaws don't bother me too much. I mean, each writer wants to tell his or her own story and for the most part I feel that they should be allowed to tell the stories as they like (within reason of course). But this whole massive influx of Kryptonians thing doesn't gel with Final Crisis at all. Where are they? Either New Krypton takes place 6 months to a year (or more) before FC, or else 6 months to a year after. Either way, it doesn't make any sense.
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You know, usually shared world continuity flaws don't bother me too much. I mean, each writer wants to tell his or her own story and for the most part I feel that they should be allowed to tell the stories as they like (within reason of course). But this whole massive influx of Kryptonians thing doesn't gel with Final Crisis at all. Where are they? Either New Krypton takes place 6 months to a year (or more) before FC, or else 6 months to a year after. Either way, it doesn't make any sense.
It ends with a return to the status quo somehow (either a new bottle, or banishment to phantom zone, or banishment to another planet way the hells away)
Doomsday needs to come back and wreck more shit, not continue to be the once-a-week villain he's been reduced to.
Wasn't he... wasn't he just
killed in Action Comics 2 weeks ago? Little soon to be "coming back"
My Doomsday fanboyishness cares not for time!
But really, his whole character is about as indestructible as Majin Buu. He always comes back, and comes back evolved to defeat the thing that beat him before. That, combined with his ridiculously powerful he is/was, meant that it was almost always better to find some way to contain him instead of kill him. (Logically this would mean that he would come back next time evolved to be strong enough to beat Superman, Supergirl, and a bunch of kryptonians... But I doubt they'll do that.)
What I object to isn't so much his infrequency of appearance, but how he pops up for an issue and then gets punked.
His backstory isn't that bad, either. There's a lot that they could do with him, but don't. As (IIRC) the only guy to ever kill Superman, that's a shame.
Doomsday is a horrible character, and I'm glad that his sole purpose for existing is to show up and then get killed, proving that the dude or dues that killed him are ultra-badass without sacrificing a worthwhile character in the process.
no, seriously, superman is like the quintessential superhero. yeah i know oh haha there's a bunch of wacky silver age covers that make it look like superman is an asshole, but that doesn't mean he actually is an asshole.
no, seriously, superman is like the quintessential superhero. yeah i know oh haha there's a bunch of wacky silver age covers that make it look like superman is an asshole, but that doesn't mean he actually is an asshole.
He can come across as a sanctimonious asshole sometimes though
no, seriously, superman is like the quintessential superhero. yeah i know oh haha there's a bunch of wacky silver age covers that make it look like superman is an asshole, but that doesn't mean he actually is an asshole.
He can come across as a sanctimonious asshole sometimes though
The same reason why they don't throw The Joker in too?
They keep Doomsday around to raise the stakes in big battle scenes (Infinite Crisis, Amazons Attack) and prove the strength of bigger threats (New Krypton).
He's crap, but everyone sees him and thinks he's like a murderous Hulk, and that's useful.
Also, you can kill him as many times as you want and nobody gives a shit.
I think Genocide's a better Doomsday than Doomsday. Genocide demoralizes, which is pretty much the opposite of what heroes do, and Doomsday just tries to beat up Superman.
I think Doomsday demoralizes. Or did, back when he could still single-handedly take out the entire JLA and Superman together without suffering so much as a scratch. Nothing tickles my fancy more than seeing Booster Gold's head slammed in a car door again. And again.
I dig 'force of nature' characters. Doomsday? He's just a big, angry baby. I haven't yet picked up any of the comics where he apparently gains 'intelligence' and then later loses it, and I'm not sure I want to; it sounds very Sylar of Season 3 Heroes (ie. bad).
I think Doomsday demoralizes. Or did, back when he could still single-handedly take out the entire JLA and Superman together without suffering so much as a scratch.
to be fair, it was one of the crappiest jla lineups of all time
to be fair, it was one of the crappiest jla lineups of all time
Servo I am so cross with you right now.
With the exception of Maxima and Bloodwynd, that lineup was awesome.
And even if you're just going by their combat worthiness, they were still better than the Detroit League, the Nuklo/Icemaiden/Metamorpho League, Extreme Justice, and Justice League Task Force. At least they had Maxima, a Superman level combatant herself, Bloodwynd, aka Martian Manhunter, and Guy "Too badass for some bitch-ass codename" Gardner.
all heroes are better with mullets. i remember in the early 90s i used to be confused that spider-man's mask actually fit tight instead of poofing out in the back like cafeteria-lady hair under a full head of hairnet.
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I enjoyed Bloodwynd for the whole "Who is he" thing, and Maxima is fun in an "annoying crazy woman" sort of way. I guess that's kind of Fire's thing though.
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seriously though. they're so shitty in that story it's absurd. crappiest jla lineup ever. they couldn't sack up and keep superman from getting killed.
Kind of understandable considering most of them were in no position to help.
Garder tried to solo him, got pretty much incapacitated. Blue Beetle got put into a coma. Ice got off relatively easy with some broken ribs before a gas main exploded (Fire same deal, iirc.) Booster lost all the power in his suit and summarily got a car door slammed closed on his head/neck. Bloodwynd... uhm... I can't remember. I think he was licking his wounds somewhere after the fight at the house. Maxima was fine until she pulled up a lightpole to smash Doomsday with... When she was being showered in, like, gasoline from a nearby truck. Boom. Before that I think she was getting Beetle medical attention.
They couldn't exactly help Supes, really.
A better JL - Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Orion, Plas, Huntress, J'onn - also got steamrolled. Admittedly, Dooms had Brainiac's brain at the time, but he was still acting pretty Doomsdayish until that plot-twist was thrown in.
Yeah, I was gonna say, most of the League got beat up by Doomsday due to poor luck and a bit of poor writing. Beetle's main weapon, the Bug, got taken down with a hurled tree before they even knew they were in a fight. Guy tried to pull a Kyle Rayner and got too close to Doomsday with his ring, instantly getting his face pulped so bad he could no longer see. Fire got hit in the head with a thrown chunk of stone, and rather than have it pass through her as it should have, it knocked her out of the fight. J'onn/Bloodwynd got punched into some machinery that then exploded and wreathed him in flame, taking him down in the first few minutes of the fight. Beetle went to help him and Doomsday crept up behind him in the fire and smoke and proceeded to stomp on his head. Booster got pissed off and tried to engage Doomsday, only to get punched so hard he wound up several miles away before Superman caught him, leaving Ice to try to slow down Doomsday by herself while nearby civilians evacuated.
Then Superman showed up and rallied everyone still able to stand into nuking Doomsday with their long range powers, which A) did nothing but piss him off and drained everyone's already exhausted powers.
Though that scene did have the notable, rather badass moment where someone grabs Guy's wrist and aims his power ring for him, since he's effectively blind.
Even though Death of Superman doesn't read very well now, due to weird stuff like young Lex, Matrix Supergirl, Bloodwynd, those mutants that lived in subway tunnels, and a rotating roster of artists, I still read that shit over and over again as a kid. Because when you're still in elementary school, that shit is epic.
To be fair, even if they had been really really lucky there's no feasible way they would have been able to do anything other than stall him briefly/piss him off more.
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Blue Beetle could have died on him. That would have slowed him down for a second.
I never got why heroes with no chance of hurting the antagonist show up to these fights at all.
because they're heroes and they have to do everything they can
alternate answer: because writers put them in the story
When "everything you can" translates to getting your arm torn off by Superboy Prime again, I'm thinking maybe you should stick to leading civilians to the bomb shelter.
And yeah, i guess I'm basically saying that writers ought to reconsider throwing cannon fodder at the latest major threat just to emphasize how scary it is because it makes no sense and adds nothing.
I never got why heroes with no chance of hurting the antagonist show up to these fights at all.
because they're heroes and they have to do everything they can
alternate answer: because writers put them in the story
When "everything you can" translates to getting your arm torn off by Superboy Prime again, I'm thinking maybe you should stick to leading civilians to the bomb shelter.
Well that was Risk trying to get Superboy Prime back
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Wasn't he... wasn't he just
My Doomsday fanboyishness cares not for time!
But really, his whole character is about as indestructible as Majin Buu. He always comes back, and comes back evolved to defeat the thing that beat him before. That, combined with his ridiculously powerful he is/was, meant that it was almost always better to find some way to contain him instead of kill him. (Logically this would mean that he would come back next time evolved to be strong enough to beat Superman, Supergirl, and a bunch of kryptonians... But I doubt they'll do that.)
What I object to isn't so much his infrequency of appearance, but how he pops up for an issue and then gets punked.
His backstory isn't that bad, either. There's a lot that they could do with him, but don't. As (IIRC) the only guy to ever kill Superman, that's a shame.
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He can come across as a sanctimonious asshole sometimes though
The same reason why they don't throw The Joker in too?
He's crap, but everyone sees him and thinks he's like a murderous Hulk, and that's useful.
Also, you can kill him as many times as you want and nobody gives a shit.
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To be fair, Waverider, Superman, and Motherbox left Doomsday at the end of time in their rematch.
Then Brainiac had to go and save him.
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I dig 'force of nature' characters. Doomsday? He's just a big, angry baby. I haven't yet picked up any of the comics where he apparently gains 'intelligence' and then later loses it, and I'm not sure I want to; it sounds very Sylar of Season 3 Heroes (ie. bad).
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to be fair, it was one of the crappiest jla lineups of all time
Servo I am so cross with you right now.
With the exception of Maxima and Bloodwynd, that lineup was awesome.
And even if you're just going by their combat worthiness, they were still better than the Detroit League, the Nuklo/Icemaiden/Metamorpho League, Extreme Justice, and Justice League Task Force. At least they had Maxima, a Superman level combatant herself, Bloodwynd, aka Martian Manhunter, and Guy "Too badass for some bitch-ass codename" Gardner.
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i just reread death of superman recently and i was like what the fuck is this.
seriously though. they're so shitty in that story it's absurd. crappiest jla lineup ever. they couldn't sack up and keep superman from getting killed.
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Kind of understandable considering most of them were in no position to help.
Garder tried to solo him, got pretty much incapacitated. Blue Beetle got put into a coma. Ice got off relatively easy with some broken ribs before a gas main exploded (Fire same deal, iirc.) Booster lost all the power in his suit and summarily got a car door slammed closed on his head/neck. Bloodwynd... uhm... I can't remember. I think he was licking his wounds somewhere after the fight at the house. Maxima was fine until she pulled up a lightpole to smash Doomsday with... When she was being showered in, like, gasoline from a nearby truck. Boom. Before that I think she was getting Beetle medical attention.
They couldn't exactly help Supes, really.
A better JL - Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Orion, Plas, Huntress, J'onn - also got steamrolled. Admittedly, Dooms had Brainiac's brain at the time, but he was still acting pretty Doomsdayish until that plot-twist was thrown in.
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Then Superman showed up and rallied everyone still able to stand into nuking Doomsday with their long range powers, which A) did nothing but piss him off and
Though that scene did have the notable, rather badass moment where someone grabs Guy's wrist and aims his power ring for him, since he's effectively blind.
Even though Death of Superman doesn't read very well now, due to weird stuff like young Lex, Matrix Supergirl, Bloodwynd, those mutants that lived in subway tunnels, and a rotating roster of artists, I still read that shit over and over again as a kid. Because when you're still in elementary school, that shit is epic.
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because they're heroes and they have to do everything they can
alternate answer: because writers put them in the story
When "everything you can" translates to getting your arm torn off by Superboy Prime again, I'm thinking maybe you should stick to leading civilians to the bomb shelter.
And yeah, i guess I'm basically saying that writers ought to reconsider throwing cannon fodder at the latest major threat just to emphasize how scary it is because it makes no sense and adds nothing.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Well that was Risk trying to get Superboy Prime back
and failing hilariously
I mean, on the one hand I'd be excited, but on the other hand, it doesn't make any sense