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let's say a close relative with obligations as parents or caregivers etc is diagnosed with a disease
let's say this disease will kill them within a few short if they don't get treated
and let's say that the treatment is very non-invasive and relatively simple, like taking a handful of pills every morning with minimal to no interference in other aspects of life
finally, let's say that person refuses to get treated for reasons akin to "they just don't feel like it"
being that person's kid, how's that make you feel?
being that person's spouse, how's that make you feel?
As a parent it is their obligation to maintain their health so they can take care of their kids. Even as a child I understood that my parents had an obligation to care for me until I was an adult. If my parents did this to me I would get extraordinarily pissed. To me it seems that they are shirking their responsibility to their children because they are fantastic cunts - that is the only way I can feel about it.
If you're a bus driver you make sure you have a license. If you're a chef you make sure you sanitize your hands. If you're a parent you sure as shit take your Goddamned medicine. Refusing treatment in this case represents a failure to behave as a functioning and responsible member of a society.
If I were the person's spouse I'd probably scream at them for being self centered. A simple, noninvasive treatment? You have no reason not to take it. At that point you're fucking insane.
I would have to think about making sure they weren't bat shit insane. If they were deficient mentally I would take the necessary steps to enforce their treatment.
I don't know. No treatment is 100% effective and perhaps they're concerned that it won't significantly extend their lifespan while reducing their quality of life. I don't know what you're talking about because you were intentionally vague, but my father chose not to pursue chemo when he found out he had cancer.
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FandyienBut Otto, what about us? Registered Userregular
edited July 2008
This thread has taken a turn for the very depressing.
I feel like as a the person's kid, I'd be torn between wanting my parent to live their life as they saw fit, as it is their life and not mine, and the desire to want them around. This becomes especially true as I hit adulthood. Do I want to let my parents live their life how they want being that they just spend the last twenty years taking care of me? Or do I value their presence more than that?
As a spouse, I think I'd be infinitely more upset, just because in the case of such a relationship, your lives are intertwined and you can't really "go it solo." Sacrifices and compromises were made on both sides to make the (presumably functional and stable) relationship work, and to throw in the towel and walk away from your spouse after all that seems very cowardly. For myself, it would be selfish of me to think so, but I would be lost without the other person around, simply because, as mentioned, I'm half of a two-man team and my life was built around being with that other person.
And yeah, Dru, I was intentionally vague so as to encourage people to sort of think of various scenarios and such.
I don't know. No treatment is 100% effective and perhaps they're concerned that it won't significantly extend their lifespan while reducing their quality of life. I don't know what you're talking about because you were intentionally vague, but my father chose not to pursue chemo when he found out he had cancer.
If its as simple as a few pills, you should feel a responsibility to pursue treatment. Chemo can be ugly, and for that reason, I don't feel anybody should feel obligated to choose it. Thats a far bigger choice than a capsule and water every meal.
Also when I thought of the word "kid" I thought of somebody like... 7 years old.
few life threatening conditions can be treated effectively with just a regimen of pills that apparently don't have any significant side effects, so I'm really curious what viv is talking about
not that you're in any way obligated to sate my curiosity
few life threatening conditions can be treated effectively with just a regimen of pills that apparently don't have any significant side effects, so I'm really curious what viv is talking about
not that you're in any way obligated to sate my curiosity
Antibiotics usually don't have any significant side effects and can have a pretty huge effect on certain diseases.
I never see my mom's side of the family and I don't see my dad's side of the family if I can help it. They are all a bunch of drunks and I like to stay away from that.
I really only see my mom, my sister and my brother and his family. We hang out with my sister in law's family a lot.
I took my niece to the science center today, I was thinking of posting some of the pics I took.
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Extraordinary takes time
I absolutely disagree with Javen. I don't think it's at all fair to expect others to live by my standards that they usually aren't even aware of. To me that speaks of an inability to appreciate other people's point of view and an unyielding belief that you know best. Which honestly, is horse shit.
I have no family (other than parents) no closer than like... 10000 miles away, so even less obligations for me. And my parents never make me do anything these days, now that I am an "adult". And I have no siblings.
Tell off color jokes about pedophiles around the parents, you won't have to worry about being invited next year. Also I hate any kinda obligation, because I am the laziest fucker around.
I've got some good ones for that idea.
The pedophile was sent to jail, not for pedophilia, but for
This might be a cultural thing but I get all when I read about people not wanting to be close to their families. (Regardless of physical distance, that is.)
Then again I guess I'm lucky that I have a relatively stable family.
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FramlingFaceHeadGeebs has bad ideas.Registered Userregular
edited July 2008
My sister is really cool, but she's literally on the other side of the country (NYC).
My mom was really cool, but she died.
My dad's crazy, and he's 1500 miles away.
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you're = you are
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
I am very close to my mom, brother and sister. After my dad died his family wanted nothing to do with us. I still talk to one or two of my cousins but that is only every once in a while.
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FalloutGIRL'S DAYWAS PRETTY GOOD WHILE THEY LASTEDRegistered Userregular
edited July 2008
i have a large extended family thanks to a few deaths or divorces and the subsequent remarriages
i know some of them decently at best
i never hung out with my cousins even when i lived with them
i don't think i've ever had a real conversation with my brother or sister
This might be a cultural thing but I get all when I read about people not wanting to be close to their families. (Regardless of physical distance, that is.)
Then again I guess I'm lucky that I have a relatively stable family.
I love my mom but she has PTSD which makes her an emotional wreck.
My dad is a good guy but is emotionally distant a lot of the time.
My sister was a good person but drugs I think have damaged her brain and now she is just a mess.
Grandparents on both sides are wonderful and I love seeing them as much as I can.
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let's say a close relative with obligations as parents or caregivers etc is diagnosed with a disease
let's say this disease will kill them within a few short if they don't get treated
and let's say that the treatment is very non-invasive and relatively simple, like taking a handful of pills every morning with minimal to no interference in other aspects of life
finally, let's say that person refuses to get treated for reasons akin to "they just don't feel like it"
being that person's kid, how's that make you feel?
being that person's spouse, how's that make you feel?
If you're a bus driver you make sure you have a license. If you're a chef you make sure you sanitize your hands. If you're a parent you sure as shit take your Goddamned medicine. Refusing treatment in this case represents a failure to behave as a functioning and responsible member of a society.
If I were the person's spouse I'd probably scream at them for being self centered. A simple, noninvasive treatment? You have no reason not to take it. At that point you're fucking insane.
As a spouse, I think I'd be infinitely more upset, just because in the case of such a relationship, your lives are intertwined and you can't really "go it solo." Sacrifices and compromises were made on both sides to make the (presumably functional and stable) relationship work, and to throw in the towel and walk away from your spouse after all that seems very cowardly. For myself, it would be selfish of me to think so, but I would be lost without the other person around, simply because, as mentioned, I'm half of a two-man team and my life was built around being with that other person.
And yeah, Dru, I was intentionally vague so as to encourage people to sort of think of various scenarios and such.
So you turned into a redneck.
If its as simple as a few pills, you should feel a responsibility to pursue treatment. Chemo can be ugly, and for that reason, I don't feel anybody should feel obligated to choose it. Thats a far bigger choice than a capsule and water every meal.
Also when I thought of the word "kid" I thought of somebody like... 7 years old.
not that you're in any way obligated to sate my curiosity
Exactly. Learn to differentiate.
So now, you're a redneck.
Like, even to the point of a burgeoning sense of noblesse oblige to which I hold myself accountable?
I think you're just not an asshole.
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
I'm just very selective about who I go after.
I really only see my mom, my sister and my brother and his family. We hang out with my sister in law's family a lot.
I took my niece to the science center today, I was thinking of posting some of the pics I took.
Extraordinary takes time
Those are some ridiculous standards to hold others to, in my case.
I'd end up being the biggest asshole ever if I did that.
So uh... not really, no.
As long as you abide by the restraining order my dog filed against you after that unfortunate incident
That "signature" could have been any dog's pawprint.
I've already filed my appeal.
yeah.
Off color joke hyuk hyuk hyuk.
Then again I guess I'm lucky that I have a relatively stable family.
My mom was really cool, but she died.
My dad's crazy, and he's 1500 miles away.
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
Extraordinary takes time
i know some of them decently at best
i never hung out with my cousins even when i lived with them
i don't think i've ever had a real conversation with my brother or sister
I am looking forward to and dreading the week I plan to spend with them in equal measure
I would love to be close to my family
if they weren't all fucking assholes.
My dad is a good guy but is emotionally distant a lot of the time.
My sister was a good person but drugs I think have damaged her brain and now she is just a mess.
Grandparents on both sides are wonderful and I love seeing them as much as I can.
My parents and sister are the only sane people in my family
my dad's uncle used to be on that list but he literally has alzhiemer's now, so it's difficult to have meaningful experiences with him any more.