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Make my Virtual Console choices for me (strat, RPG, adventure, please)
Shoegaze99
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Here's the deal: I've got 2,000 Wii points, and I'm torn as hell on how to spend them.
Initially my plan was to get Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Since I didn't have an N64 and I played neither of these games, these seemed like obvious choices, considering how landmark both are.
But other games have called to me. I understand Ocarina of Time is a long game, and to be honest that's not quite what I'm looking for. Here is what I'm looking for:
Adventure and/or RPG games, turn-based HIGHLY preferred (though it's far from a deal breaker), that are good. Fun exploration is a HUGE plus, story is good but not 100% mandatory. I like the 2D era, but it doesn't have to conform to that.
Even more specifically, I have narrowed things down to these games. Assume that if they're on the VC but not listed I have already played them and/or know a lot about them and know they're not for me. Feel free, of course, to suggest anyway. But I may already be familiar with it. My hope is to get the perfect combo to make max use of my 2,000 points (so to get three games would be rad):
Neutopia & 2 (TurboGrafx) (600 pts) -- never had the system, only ever played that caveman game and a racing game for it. This seems like it might be a cool Zelda clone -- and easier than Zelda. That's a big plus. I'm a 35-year-old working dude with a family. If I used to be hardcore (I was!), I'm not anymore. I like the feel of those classics without the challenge.
Shining Force (Genesis) (800) -- I had a Genesis and LOVED Shining in the Darkness, but never played this game. I know the Shining series is held in high regard, but I thought it was for the strat-RPG games, but this looks straight RPG. How is this?
Breath of Fire 2 (SNES?) (800) -- NOT high on my list, to he honest. It's only here because it's part of a respected RPG series that I haven't played. I don't actually have a lot of interest, but am curious if I'm missing out on gold.
Harvest Moon (SNES) (800) -- I can't deny, the description piqued my curiosity. Otherwise, :shrug:
Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV (SNES) (800) -- Point blank, I love the FUCK out of the early KOEI games. Holy SHIT do I love them. Love, love, love. Turned based, lots of options, good strategy, lots of re-playability, I'M IN!! So unless I'm told this sucks, this is a good choice for me.
Star Tropics (NES) (500) -- WHAT IS THIS? Seriously, the description and (shitty) screenshots looked really interesting to me. A LOT. Maybe, maybe, right up my alley. And 500 points is even better, because it means that if I play my cards right I can still get two more games after this. Is this cool? A decent adventure game? Fun? TELL ME! Because this might be good for me.
Sword of Vermillion (Genesis) (800) -- I swear I played this way back when, but I have no recollection of it. I loved Genesis RPGs. How was this?
Others in the running are Super Mario World (I have 1-3, like 1, hate 2, love 3) and Zelda: Link to the Past (which I've played a lot of and LOVED). But mostly I'm looking for something new to me.
GOOD: Relatively short, good exploration, casual pace, not too difficult, easy learning curve.
BAD: If it's hard as hell (I can't do that anymore!), if it's 30+ hours (I know that's a good bang for my buck but I'll never finish it unless it's brilliant and that will make me feel guilty), or if it's too twitch (again, awesome, but not for me anymore).
Thanks!
Initially my plan was to get Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Since I didn't have an N64 and I played neither of these games, these seemed like obvious choices, considering how landmark both are.
But other games have called to me. I understand Ocarina of Time is a long game, and to be honest that's not quite what I'm looking for. Here is what I'm looking for:
Adventure and/or RPG games, turn-based HIGHLY preferred (though it's far from a deal breaker), that are good. Fun exploration is a HUGE plus, story is good but not 100% mandatory. I like the 2D era, but it doesn't have to conform to that.
Even more specifically, I have narrowed things down to these games. Assume that if they're on the VC but not listed I have already played them and/or know a lot about them and know they're not for me. Feel free, of course, to suggest anyway. But I may already be familiar with it. My hope is to get the perfect combo to make max use of my 2,000 points (so to get three games would be rad):
Neutopia & 2 (TurboGrafx) (600 pts) -- never had the system, only ever played that caveman game and a racing game for it. This seems like it might be a cool Zelda clone -- and easier than Zelda. That's a big plus. I'm a 35-year-old working dude with a family. If I used to be hardcore (I was!), I'm not anymore. I like the feel of those classics without the challenge.
Shining Force (Genesis) (800) -- I had a Genesis and LOVED Shining in the Darkness, but never played this game. I know the Shining series is held in high regard, but I thought it was for the strat-RPG games, but this looks straight RPG. How is this?
Breath of Fire 2 (SNES?) (800) -- NOT high on my list, to he honest. It's only here because it's part of a respected RPG series that I haven't played. I don't actually have a lot of interest, but am curious if I'm missing out on gold.
Harvest Moon (SNES) (800) -- I can't deny, the description piqued my curiosity. Otherwise, :shrug:
Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV (SNES) (800) -- Point blank, I love the FUCK out of the early KOEI games. Holy SHIT do I love them. Love, love, love. Turned based, lots of options, good strategy, lots of re-playability, I'M IN!! So unless I'm told this sucks, this is a good choice for me.
Star Tropics (NES) (500) -- WHAT IS THIS? Seriously, the description and (shitty) screenshots looked really interesting to me. A LOT. Maybe, maybe, right up my alley. And 500 points is even better, because it means that if I play my cards right I can still get two more games after this. Is this cool? A decent adventure game? Fun? TELL ME! Because this might be good for me.
Sword of Vermillion (Genesis) (800) -- I swear I played this way back when, but I have no recollection of it. I loved Genesis RPGs. How was this?
Others in the running are Super Mario World (I have 1-3, like 1, hate 2, love 3) and Zelda: Link to the Past (which I've played a lot of and LOVED). But mostly I'm looking for something new to me.
GOOD: Relatively short, good exploration, casual pace, not too difficult, easy learning curve.
BAD: If it's hard as hell (I can't do that anymore!), if it's 30+ hours (I know that's a good bang for my buck but I'll never finish it unless it's brilliant and that will make me feel guilty), or if it's too twitch (again, awesome, but not for me anymore).
Thanks!
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Are you saying you have never played Super Mario World? If that's the case, let me fix the first line of your post.
GO GET SUPER MARIO WORLD!
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As for games with good exploration and an easy learning curve, I can't suggest Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2 enough.
So yeah, combinations of the following:
Ocarina of Time
Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
The Donkey Kong Country games are horribly overrated unless you've got the nostalgia factor.
Super Metroid's pretty good on exploration, though.
DKC1 and especially 2 are the greatest games the SNES has to offer (besides the staples like ALTTP). Fantastic, groundbreaking gameplay and amazing, hugely varied graphics that make your jaw still drop to this day (you can imagine what it was like in the nineties). Simply astonishing. Videogames don't get much more magical than this.
It's way better than all those other games you listed
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Alternatley, derivative gameplay and cookie-cutter, formula level design.
I think you've got the nostalgia problem :P
The graphics and music are nice, yes, but that alone doesn't make up for it.
"Replayed" is kind of a key word there, btw.
Don't forget the very awesome music.
Re: Super Mario World. Okay. I didn't want another platformer, and I knew this was held in high regard, but if the voices are THAT strong I'll consider ...
I'm curious about the Turbograx games. I've had almost every major system, and if I didn't have it I played it, but not that one.
It's not as good as Yoshi's Island, but what is?
Hah! I almost got that one, but my nostalgia is for Wonder Boy in Monster LAND, so I didn't get it.
Hang on, a DKC fan is calling another game a fetchquest as an insult?
That's just nonsensical.
And there's not a lot of nostalgia given that I only played it long after the fact.
Frankly, the collection aspect of Yoshi's Island is optional. It's a really, really good platformer with or without it.
Except that DKC has bad level design :P
After all nothing can hold a candle to SMB3.
Okay, what constitutes "bad" level design? Elaborate on this please. Because going through DKC1 and 2's levels, I'm having nothing but fun all the way through, and the controls feel just right, in the same sense that Mario's does.
I actually prefer DKC2's levels to SMW's (but not SMB3's).
I can agree with this. SMG comes close, and that took several systems.
The way the best 2d Mario (ie SMB3, SMW, SMW2, NSMB) levels work is that most of them feel entirely different from one another, each throwing a host of new ideas at you, overflowing with creativity.
The way the DKC levels work is that they find an idea and proceed to use it over and over, slightly harder each time, until they beat it to death. Several levels later they find another one.
I find the latter kind of boring compared to the former.
YES PLEASE.
This, more than bickering over equally awesome platformers, would be valuable discussion. If it's a manageable length, I'm happy to grab this and two NES games. I guess I'm set on getting three games for my 2,000 points, is all. I hate leaving unspent points.
Shorter if you give up on the Water Temple.
How much?
Ignoring the countless hours of my youth playing it on the SNES (save games long lost to battery death), I have done the following on the GBA port of it twice:
Maxxed out the score counter (99999999 points or so)
Unlocked all the level paths
Maxxed out the life counter (999 lives)
Gotten all the dragon coins in all the levels
I'd say that in my opinion, it's a pretty fun game.
Played the hell out of it.
What's the gameplay like for that?? A lot of level grinding or is it a more basic RPG? I'm considering getting it (have been for a while now) I can enjoy a challenging RPG so long as I can still keep moving on the main story at a decent pace.
Crystal Chronicles on WiiWare, the My Life as King or whatever it is you might like too. It's sort of like all those *insert sport here* team manager games except for Final Fantasy. You can build shops, research better weapons and armor and request characters to go and explore dungeons.
There's no actual fighting that you control, but you do get to control how everything goes.
If neither of those interest you I'd go with Shining Force and Ocarina of Time. Especially if you've never played OoT before.
Despite what you think, it is a strategy based RPG. You gain party members over time (including "secret" ones) and use them to fight on a grid-based map where terrain effects how you move and such.
It's amazing.
My other recommendation is Beyond Oasis.
It's an adventure game the vein of the old Zelda games. Mainly LttP. Very enjoyable and not overly long.
I hate most strategy games (Command and Conquer, StarCraft, all that jazz) but I fucking love me some Fire Emblem. Is Shining Force similar?
You might want to invest in more turn based strategy games (Fire Emblem, Advance Wars) compared to real time strategy games (Command and Conquer, Starcraft). These are very different genres despite their similar names.