Space travel will become technologically simple; space habitation, however, will never grow. Much like Antarctica today, humanity will find vacuum to be perpetually inhospitable, suited only to ventures of scientific inquiry.
this is exactly how i feel
i think space colonization is a bunch of romanticized dickwaving.
space is full of death and nothing and rocks and also death
there is nothing worth going out there physically to do that we can't do with probes and robots and stuff
nothing except egomania and fanciful sci fi notions.
say we discover some radically useful mineral on... oh let's pull a popular one out of my ass... Titan
let's say we find some kind of rad superfuel on Titan that somehow made actually going to Titan not a complete fucking waste of resources just to get it
something that totally made the journey worth it
why in the name of christ can't we just get fucking robots to do it
I'm surprised life arose at all, a one in ten bazillion chance
....out of countless of potential chances across the universe
Our own existence is an anomaly, not the frozen space rocks floating in an incomprehensibly big sea of nothing. That space rock in on par for the course.
Man we gotta leave sooner or later or build a Dyson sphere and work on the sun
your call mister build a fucking Dyson sphere
no, we don't
we don't have to leave ever
this isn't like you gotta move out of your dad's house to grow up
this is our planet
the only place in the universe that can sustain us
and don't give me that "run out of resources" or "run out of space" shit
if we got technology to go anywhere valid or get resources from fucking anything off this planet then we got the same technology to bring that shit here and fix what we got
There's like a million different factors that need to be absolutely perfect for human survival. You've got a very narrow band of habitable temperatures we don't freeze or burn up in. You need a very specific atmospheric composition for us to breathe at a limited range of pressure for us to not get crushed in. You need a number of elements and minerals in certain quantities, cycling through the planet at a certain rate, so that we don't overconsume before they replenish.
So I guess theoretically there's another straight-up habitable planet(s) out there, but chances our one has too much Argon and another didn't collect enough iron when it was forming, etc.
So I guess if we can transplant our brains into low-maintenence shells, we'll be aces
There's like a million different factors that need to be absolutely perfect for human survival. You've got a very narrow band of habitable temperatures we don't freeze or burn up in. You need a very specific atmospheric composition for us to breathe at a limited range of pressure for us to not get crushed in. You need a number of elements and minerals in certain quantities, cycling through the planet at a certain rate, so that we don't overconsume before they replenish.
So I guess theoretically there's another straight-up habitable planet(s) out there, but chances our one has too much Argon and another didn't collect enough iron when it was forming, etc.
So I guess if we can transplant our brains into low-maintenence shells, we'll be aces
yeah, fuck that
i say, fuck this nihilistic chicken little bullshit that says we'll "use up" our world
or that we've "wrecked it"
have we damaged the world? sure.
but listen, you could nuke every corner of earth
everywhere
just smother the whole fucking thing in fallout and you know what?
it'd still be orders of god damn magnitude more habitable than anywhere else in the universe we know of or could get to.
if we've got magic subspace drives that can break lightspeed, then we've got the same fucking arthur c. clarke bullshit technology to fix the earth, too
and all the god damn sci fi fags rubbing their dicks in between their pages of asimov magazine can shut the hell up, help out, or ship the fuck off
what the fuck kind of world is it where i'm the god damn optimistic one
say we discover some radically useful mineral on... oh let's pull a popular one out of my ass... Titan
let's say we find some kind of rad superfuel on Titan that somehow made actually going to Titan not a complete fucking waste of resources just to get it
something that totally made the journey worth it
why in the name of christ can't we just get fucking robots to do it
We should harvest Helium-3 from the moon. I look forward to that day.
That being said, I guarantee we'd adapt to a different environment if we had to. You dump some people on a rock with low levels of oxygen, and they'll do something about it. Evolve naturally, evolve artificially, pump oxygen into the atmosphere. Something. It's what we do.
That being said, I guarantee we'd adapt to a different environment if we had to. You dump some people on a rock with low levels of oxygen, and they'll do something about it. Evolve naturally, evolve artificially, pump oxygen into the atmosphere. Something. It's what we do.
I just view it as "Wellp, we all went and screwed it up. I guess that's what happens when something removes itself from the natural ecosystem."
and i wish people would shut up with that shit
it's defeatist
it's holding out for the Holy Ghost of Carl Sagan to step down from the Palace of Celestial Science with rockin' guitars and show you how to colonize distant worlds and break the speed of light.
Oh wait, that'll never fucking happen.
So why not use science for things that are useful?
i say, fuck this nihilistic chicken little bullshit that says we'll "use up" our world
I.... wasn't saying that. We're not going to use up this planet. I'm saying there are planets we straight up cannot use up, because they don't have anything we can use.
i say, fuck this nihilistic chicken little bullshit that says we'll "use up" our world
I.... wasn't saying that. We're not going to use up this planet. I'm saying there are planets we straight up cannot use up, because they don't have anything we can use.
i wasn't saying that was what you were saying
just because i quoted you doesn't mean i was directly talking to you
i was really just building off what you were saying
China sent boats to Africa like a gazillion years before the Europeans found the Americas. I saw it on the history channel. The reason you don't see Chinamen in Madagascar, however, is that the purpose of the trip was to fuckin' collect exotic animals and shit for the king of whatever dynasty was dickin' around at the time.
in no way is space exploration or colonization comparable to the travels of mankind across earth.
for one thing, there were actually things of value to find and acquire and places to live when you explored.
the age of true human exploration died. the future will not be on the backs of intrepid gentlemen with distinguished mustaches planting flags on distant stone. it will be on probes, robotic explorers, and eventually, automated collection and refining systems.
there's exactly zero things a human can do in space exploration that we can't build a robot or probe to do, except make us feel like we're conquering something.
except make us feel like we're conquering something.
Dude, this is exactly why you will see crews of men go with those probes and analyzers to plant flags and drop plaques on the ground. Human beings love doing this stuff.
except make us feel like we're conquering something.
Dude, this is exactly why you will see crews of men go with those probes and analyzers to plant flags and drop plaques on the ground. Human beings love doing this stuff.
and i think it's pathetic and holds us back as a species, is what i think.
i think when they are wasting time and resources on figuring out how to get a guy on mars and back without his bones turning to goo or him going batshit crazy or dying horribly or wasting fuel they could be doing something valid and useful.
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
right now
right now, as i am typing on these internets
nasa has an entire department of people they are sinking millions of dollars a year into for no other reason than to figure out how to put men on mars.
for no fucking reason!
it's retarded.
i don't generally get incensed about people wasting money
let em waste money however they want
it's their money
i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.
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this is exactly how i feel
i think space colonization is a bunch of romanticized dickwaving.
space is full of death and nothing and rocks and also death
there is nothing worth going out there physically to do that we can't do with probes and robots and stuff
nothing except egomania and fanciful sci fi notions.
say we discover some radically useful mineral on... oh let's pull a popular one out of my ass... Titan
let's say we find some kind of rad superfuel on Titan that somehow made actually going to Titan not a complete fucking waste of resources just to get it
something that totally made the journey worth it
why in the name of christ can't we just get fucking robots to do it
I'm surprised life arose at all, a one in ten bazillion chance
....out of countless of potential chances across the universe
Our own existence is an anomaly, not the frozen space rocks floating in an incomprehensibly big sea of nothing. That space rock in on par for the course.
i want to shit in their breakfast cereal boxes and leave them on the counter
god stop wasting science you tards
it'll never happen
it'll never be worth doing
if for no other reason than gravity and what it does to human bones.
your call mister build a fucking Dyson sphere
Much more efficient to change ourselves to suit the environment.
no, we don't
we don't have to leave ever
this isn't like you gotta move out of your dad's house to grow up
this is our planet
the only place in the universe that can sustain us
and don't give me that "run out of resources" or "run out of space" shit
if we got technology to go anywhere valid or get resources from fucking anything off this planet then we got the same technology to bring that shit here and fix what we got
So I guess theoretically there's another straight-up habitable planet(s) out there, but chances our one has too much Argon and another didn't collect enough iron when it was forming, etc.
So I guess if we can transplant our brains into low-maintenence shells, we'll be aces
and no matter what
people will bitch about it
in post like this
until the whole is so fucking tired
that nobody cares anymore
yeah, fuck that
i say, fuck this nihilistic chicken little bullshit that says we'll "use up" our world
or that we've "wrecked it"
have we damaged the world? sure.
but listen, you could nuke every corner of earth
everywhere
just smother the whole fucking thing in fallout and you know what?
it'd still be orders of god damn magnitude more habitable than anywhere else in the universe we know of or could get to.
if we've got magic subspace drives that can break lightspeed, then we've got the same fucking arthur c. clarke bullshit technology to fix the earth, too
and all the god damn sci fi fags rubbing their dicks in between their pages of asimov magazine can shut the hell up, help out, or ship the fuck off
what the fuck kind of world is it where i'm the god damn optimistic one
We should harvest Helium-3 from the moon. I look forward to that day.
of course, but why do that if we ain't gotta?
Big interesting experiment in evolutionary paradigms
and i wish people would shut up with that shit
it's defeatist
it's holding out for the Holy Ghost of Carl Sagan to step down from the Palace of Celestial Science with rockin' guitars and show you how to colonize distant worlds and break the speed of light.
Oh wait, that'll never fucking happen.
So why not use science for things that are useful?
I.... wasn't saying that. We're not going to use up this planet. I'm saying there are planets we straight up cannot use up, because they don't have anything we can use.
My vision is augmented.
i wasn't saying that was what you were saying
just because i quoted you doesn't mean i was directly talking to you
i was really just building off what you were saying
But it's damn interesting to chart how human history worked out regarding biological evolution, and where it might end up
That's the key.
China sent boats to Africa like a gazillion years before the Europeans found the Americas. I saw it on the history channel. The reason you don't see Chinamen in Madagascar, however, is that the purpose of the trip was to fuckin' collect exotic animals and shit for the king of whatever dynasty was dickin' around at the time.
Well now, you can't say that. We don't know that.
before anyone (TFS) even starts
in no way is space exploration or colonization comparable to the travels of mankind across earth.
for one thing, there were actually things of value to find and acquire and places to live when you explored.
the age of true human exploration died. the future will not be on the backs of intrepid gentlemen with distinguished mustaches planting flags on distant stone. it will be on probes, robotic explorers, and eventually, automated collection and refining systems.
there's exactly zero things a human can do in space exploration that we can't build a robot or probe to do, except make us feel like we're conquering something.
What was the shit in Spelljammer? Phlogiston?
i don't believe faster than light travel will happen ever.
period.
so yes, i can say that
with some certainty.
Dude, this is exactly why you will see crews of men go with those probes and analyzers to plant flags and drop plaques on the ground. Human beings love doing this stuff.
keep your dreams in the funnybooks and the squawkbox, peaches
keep em outta the damn lab
real men are doing science in there, and they are building a robot that's going to look for evidence of extraterrestrial life
Hey, I'm not saying I disagree with you. Just that I like to think of how cool it would be if it were at all possible.
and i think it's pathetic and holds us back as a species, is what i think.
i think when they are wasting time and resources on figuring out how to get a guy on mars and back without his bones turning to goo or him going batshit crazy or dying horribly or wasting fuel they could be doing something valid and useful.
my patch of fruit trees
my mating partner
my agricultural land
my planet
mine mine mine mine
we evolved to want to plant that flag for a very good reason regarding spreading our genetics
Yeah.
Orkz Orkz Orkz Orkz...
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
spreading our genetics to what?
highly irradiated dead stone that might illicit some handy helium-3 or some shit?
we evolved to conquer our planet.
to think of space as a logical extension of that evolution is ridiculously fucking stupid
might as well go hump the ice of greenland
Funny, I think that this sort of absolute scientific utilitarianism you're preposing is harmful to the species.
right now
right now, as i am typing on these internets
nasa has an entire department of people they are sinking millions of dollars a year into for no other reason than to figure out how to put men on mars.
for no fucking reason!
it's retarded.
i don't generally get incensed about people wasting money
let em waste money however they want
it's their money
i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.
I could see some going through the whole process just so they can wear shades at night.
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