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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    territorial

    my patch of fruit trees

    my mating partner

    my agricultural land

    my planet

    mine mine mine mine

    we evolved to want to plant that flag for a very good reason regarding spreading our genetics

    spreading our genetics to what?

    highly irradiated dead stone that might illicit some handy helium-3 or some shit?

    we evolved to conquer our planet.

    to think of space as a logical extension of that evolution is ridiculously fucking stupid

    might as well go hump the ice of greenland


    Does it prove you are a strong individual and therefore in possession of strong genes?

    And yea, you can't just shed those psychological quirks biology has given you, as much as we'd love to

    hell, if you look attractive, are you not given preferential treatment in many aspects of society? That job interview will probably go a little better

    Why do you need cues to remember information? Why can you not just dredge up whatever memory you need?


    As for putting billions of dollars towards putting people on other planets, it's what people want to see, and why they're funded to do so. Joe Shmoe doesn't care about satellite 231357 orbiting the iced rings of Saturn, but he does want to see Mr American Hero: First Man on Mars

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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    keep em outta the damn lab

    Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.



    i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.

    i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.

    Mister Longbaugh on
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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    nasa has an entire department of people they are sinking millions of dollars a year into for no other reason than to figure out how to put men on mars.

    Shit dude, it's NASA. They're like, the last guys you want to go to for developing space technology.


    That's like pointing to the Hummer as an example of how car manufacturers are ignoring changing demands in the automobile industry.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    davoid

    i am going to give you a moment to review that post

    i'm not going to respond to it

    because you just went and did some D&D thing and made my barking and ranting into some kind of debate and good sir i will have none of this

    if you want to call me a faggot and then ignore me that is cool but don't try to pretend to point out some kind of failing in my "argument" and do some kind of defender dance with me

    i ain't in the mood for it

    Pony on
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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Moriveth wrote: »

    My vision is augmented.

    I could see some going through the whole process just so they can wear shades at night.

    That game was so great, but had some pretty cheesy lines.

    "I will burn like the brighest star."

    "You're gonna burn alright."

    I can just imagine Denton putting on his shades like David Caruso and "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" beginning

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    nasa has an entire department of people they are sinking millions of dollars a year into for no other reason than to figure out how to put men on mars.

    Shit dude, it's NASA. They're like, the last guys you want to go to for developing space technology.


    That's like pointing to the Hummer as an example of how car manufacturers are ignoring changing demands in the automobile industry.

    i suppose i can't argue with that.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Naw, I'm just sorta weirded out by your conclusion

    I see where you're coming from, but, yea man, we're hardwired in certain ways. And wanting to prove ourselves as "tough" is one of them.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    keep em outta the damn lab

    Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.



    i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.

    i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.

    it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago

    it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form

    it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.

    it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit

    Pony on
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    Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Moriveth wrote: »

    My vision is augmented.

    I could see some going through the whole process just so they can wear shades at night.

    That game was so great, but had some pretty cheesy lines.

    "I will burn like the brighest star."

    "You're gonna burn alright."

    I can just imagine Denton putting on his shades like David Caruso and "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" beginning

    Walton Simons - You take one more step forward and here I am again, like your own reflection repeated in a hall of mirrors

    JC Denton - That makes me one ugly son-of-a-bitch.

    <3

    Waka Laka on
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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    Naw, I'm just sorta weirded out by your conclusion

    I see where you're coming from, but, yea man, we're hardwired in certain ways. And wanting to prove ourselves as "tough" is one of them.

    i think it's pathetic and immature.

    spending billions of dollars on a stunt just to put some yankee fucker on the red planet to plant an american flag so you can shed a tear with your grandpa doesn't show how incredible or advanced the species is

    it shows how much of a self-absorbed joke we can be

    Pony on
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    stavesacrestavesacre Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The whole landing a remote probe on a distant planet just doesn't have the same "oomph" of landing an actual person there.

    I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.

    And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Moriveth wrote: »

    My vision is augmented.

    I could see some going through the whole process just so they can wear shades at night.

    That game was so great, but had some pretty cheesy lines.

    "I will burn like the brighest star."

    "You're gonna burn alright."

    I can just imagine Denton putting on his shades like David Caruso and "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" beginning

    Walton Simons - You take one more step forward and here I am again, like your own reflection repeated in a hall of mirrors

    JC Denton - That makes me one ugly son-of-a-bitch.

    <3

    Also, the entirety of Hong Kong

    "OH MY GOD JC A BOMB"

    "A BOMB"

    Moriveth on
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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    Naw, I'm just sorta weirded out by your conclusion

    I see where you're coming from, but, yea man, we're hardwired in certain ways. And wanting to prove ourselves as "tough" is one of them.

    i think it's pathetic and immature.

    spending billions of dollars on a stunt just to put some yankee fucker on the red planet to plant an american flag so you can shed a tear with your grandpa doesn't show how incredible or advanced the species is

    it shows how much of a self-absorbed joke we can be

    Ha ha ha, I agree, I don't tout these aspects of our species

    Infact, my belief is that through technology we can just redesign how we think

    so we can be more progressive

    that was the point I was trying to make in my previous posts. Sorta trying to point out how backwards biology left us.

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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony, you're wrong in saying we've never going to leave this planet.

    Longbaugh, you're wrong in saying we're eventually going to leave this planet.

    The truth of the matter is that whether or not we expand beyond will depend on a million and one factors none of us can forsee right now. It was not absolutely certain that Men would spread from the Fertile Crescent into the American continent; by the virtue of there being a land bridge between Russia and Alaska, a bunch of indians did cross over. By the virtue of a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats gettin' hated on by The King, a bunch of Englishmen did cross over.

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    Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The Chinese accents in Hong Kong really put me off though.

    Waka Laka on
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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    keep em outta the damn lab

    Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.



    i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.

    i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.

    it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago

    it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form

    it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.

    it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit

    so, what, you're saying that the earth's resources won't be completely dried up, eventually? i mean, overpopulation was a concern ten years ago when there were only 3 billion people on the planet. There are close to 7 now, and that number's just climbing. the planet isn't getting any bigger.

    Mister Longbaugh on
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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    it shows how much of a self-absorbed joke we can be

    What the hell else is there to be?

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    The Chinese accents in Hong Kong really put me off though.

    Not advisable for tourist to visit the canals at night!

    I speel my dlink!

    Moriveth on
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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    stavesacre wrote: »
    The whole landing a remote probe on a distant planet just doesn't have the same "oomph" of landing an actual person there.

    I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.

    And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?

    do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?

    that if we didn't continue to send scientific probes and robots and stuff that we wouldn't learn lots along the way?

    most of the discoveries and advances of the space program didn't come from manned space exploration at all.

    in fact, very few did.

    i'm apalled that i'm the only one here who seems to find pathetic flagwaiving and dickassery to be deplorable and not worthy of praise.

    Pony on
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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Pony, you're wrong in saying we've never going to leave this planet.

    Longbaugh, you're wrong in saying we're eventually going to leave this planet.

    The truth of the matter is that whether or not we expand beyond will depend on a million and one factors none of us can forsee right now. It was not absolutely certain that Men would spread from the Fertile Crescent into the American continent; by the virtue of there being a land bridge between Russia and Alaska, a bunch of indians did cross over. By the virtue of a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats gettin' hated on by The King, a bunch of Englishmen did cross over.

    i never said we are going to leave the planet. if i said anything at all, it's that at some point in the future, whether it be the near or very distant, there will be a need to leave the planet.

    Mister Longbaugh on
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    Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    The Chinese accents in Hong Kong really put me off though.

    Not advisable for tourist to visit the canals at night!

    I speel my dlink!

    The two chicks outside the nightclub also had pretty forced Australian accents. Humored the shit out of me though.

    Waka Laka on
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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Like I said, Joe Shmoe is impressed by it, regardless of the fact that it took billions of uneeded dollars to do it, and we could have learned alot more through automated probes and robotics


    it's sorta like the "Gangsta" mentality. Abundance and "the show of it" trumps efficiency and actual progress.

    Davoid on
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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »

    do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?

    Yes!

    Certain comforts we enjoy today only exist because we had to make sure a person could survive in space. The material they use in Tempur-Pedic beds? Not just used in beds. It's the basis for a lot of padding used today.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    keep em outta the damn lab

    Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.



    i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.

    i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.

    it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago

    it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form

    it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.

    it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit

    so, what, you're saying that the earth's resources won't be completely dried up, eventually? i mean, overpopulation was a concern ten years ago when there were only 3 billion people on the planet. There are close to 7 now, and that number's just climbing. the planet isn't getting any bigger.

    baugh duder maybe it's cause you live in the US

    we uh

    we got a lot of space

    space isn't an issue for earth

    not by a longshot

    we're not ever gonna be "full of folk"

    too many people vs. how resources? surely.

    which is why we should learn how to harvest resources from other places, like other planets in the solar system, our moon, the asteroid belt, etc.

    trying to say that putting six hundred and fifty people in a bubble somewhere on Europa or Tyche isn't a solution to the issue.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    basically nothing short of FTL travel and finding a planet more or less like Earth will ever make space colonization a worthwhile persuit.

    anything less than that and it's more resource exhaustive than just bringing shit here.

    Pony on
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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    You know, tachyons go faster than the speed of light.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    You know, tachyons go faster than the speed of light.

    you mean the theoretical particle that nobody has proven even exists goes faster than light.

    the theoretical particle we don't even know exists and even if we did we don't even know how the fuck we'd use or utilize.

    yes

    those things

    yes i know about tachyons.

    i know that if we've got some kind of magical fucking arthur c. clarke tachyon bullshit technology that can zip us around the god damn stars then we've got the same power to go anywhere we need anything and get it and bring it here.

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    stavesacrestavesacre Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    stavesacre wrote: »
    The whole landing a remote probe on a distant planet just doesn't have the same "oomph" of landing an actual person there.

    I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.

    And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?

    do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?

    that if we didn't continue to send scientific probes and robots and stuff that we wouldn't learn lots along the way?

    most of the discoveries and advances of the space program didn't come from manned space exploration at all.

    in fact, very few did.

    i'm apalled that i'm the only one here who seems to find pathetic flagwaiving and dickassery to be deplorable and not worthy of praise.

    Well I was under the impression that public support drove alot of what was accomplished. When it stops being flashy and interesting, I just thought that most of that support would dry up and it would affect the programs.

    And I didn't really think of it as flagwaving and dickassery, but I never really gave it too much though before.

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    ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    in the future, all music will be made by robots

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    stavesacre wrote: »
    Well I was under the impression that public support drove alot of what was accomplished. When it stops being flashy and interesting, I just thought that most of that support would dry up and it would affect the programs.

    And I didn't really think of it as flagwaving and dickassery, but I never really gave it too much though before.


    ha ha ha ha, that's what I was trying to say

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    Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Projeck wrote: »
    in the future, all music will be made by robots

    *Gasp*

    Daft Punk have seen the future!

    Waka Laka on
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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    there are 6.8 billion people on the planet who don't like eachother now, what's it going to be like when there are 40 billion?

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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    in the end, it's a retarded argument.

    "we'll run out of resources!" or "we've destroyed the planet!" or "we'll overpopulate!" are not problems solved by human colonization of outer space.

    there is no, and make sure you get this, no way you can make human colonization of outer space resource viable in a way that solves any of those problems without also possessing technolgy that fixes those problems.

    it's like saying "the land here is arid and too difficult to till. let us build tractors... so we can drive to more fertile land."

    or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    there are 6.8 billion people on the planet who don't like eachother now, what's it going to be like when there are 40 billion?

    wait until all human genetics and culture comes melding together

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.

    kaz i want you to think hard about how those two things are completely different

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    stavesacrestavesacre Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.

    So are you saying that if we figure out a way to travel interstellar distances... we can go kill some indians and steal their gold?!

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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »

    or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.

    How do you solve the need for larger... tracts of land? You can't build a machine to make the planet bigger.

    Yes, Pony. I know there's lots of empty space on the planet still. There's also lots of whales we can make lamp oil from left, too.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I thought the whole "space travel" line of dialogue was theoretical amusement right now

    not "debate on how to save the world"

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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Pony wrote: »

    kaz i want you to think hard about how those two things are completely different

    And I want you to think about how defeatist you're being.

    You're flat out saying we cannot do something. We'll never ever ever ever do it.


    There is not a single goddamned thing in the universe that is absolute.

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