we evolved to want to plant that flag for a very good reason regarding spreading our genetics
spreading our genetics to what?
highly irradiated dead stone that might illicit some handy helium-3 or some shit?
we evolved to conquer our planet.
to think of space as a logical extension of that evolution is ridiculously fucking stupid
might as well go hump the ice of greenland
Does it prove you are a strong individual and therefore in possession of strong genes?
And yea, you can't just shed those psychological quirks biology has given you, as much as we'd love to
hell, if you look attractive, are you not given preferential treatment in many aspects of society? That job interview will probably go a little better
Why do you need cues to remember information? Why can you not just dredge up whatever memory you need?
As for putting billions of dollars towards putting people on other planets, it's what people want to see, and why they're funded to do so. Joe Shmoe doesn't care about satellite 231357 orbiting the iced rings of Saturn, but he does want to see Mr American Hero: First Man on Mars
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.
i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.
nasa has an entire department of people they are sinking millions of dollars a year into for no other reason than to figure out how to put men on mars.
Shit dude, it's NASA. They're like, the last guys you want to go to for developing space technology.
That's like pointing to the Hummer as an example of how car manufacturers are ignoring changing demands in the automobile industry.
i am going to give you a moment to review that post
i'm not going to respond to it
because you just went and did some D&D thing and made my barking and ranting into some kind of debate and good sir i will have none of this
if you want to call me a faggot and then ignore me that is cool but don't try to pretend to point out some kind of failing in my "argument" and do some kind of defender dance with me
nasa has an entire department of people they are sinking millions of dollars a year into for no other reason than to figure out how to put men on mars.
Shit dude, it's NASA. They're like, the last guys you want to go to for developing space technology.
That's like pointing to the Hummer as an example of how car manufacturers are ignoring changing demands in the automobile industry.
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.
i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.
it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago
it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form
it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.
it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit
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Naw, I'm just sorta weirded out by your conclusion
I see where you're coming from, but, yea man, we're hardwired in certain ways. And wanting to prove ourselves as "tough" is one of them.
i think it's pathetic and immature.
spending billions of dollars on a stunt just to put some yankee fucker on the red planet to plant an american flag so you can shed a tear with your grandpa doesn't show how incredible or advanced the species is
it shows how much of a self-absorbed joke we can be
The whole landing a remote probe on a distant planet just doesn't have the same "oomph" of landing an actual person there.
I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.
And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?
Naw, I'm just sorta weirded out by your conclusion
I see where you're coming from, but, yea man, we're hardwired in certain ways. And wanting to prove ourselves as "tough" is one of them.
i think it's pathetic and immature.
spending billions of dollars on a stunt just to put some yankee fucker on the red planet to plant an american flag so you can shed a tear with your grandpa doesn't show how incredible or advanced the species is
it shows how much of a self-absorbed joke we can be
Ha ha ha, I agree, I don't tout these aspects of our species
Infact, my belief is that through technology we can just redesign how we think
so we can be more progressive
that was the point I was trying to make in my previous posts. Sorta trying to point out how backwards biology left us.
Pony, you're wrong in saying we've never going to leave this planet.
Longbaugh, you're wrong in saying we're eventually going to leave this planet.
The truth of the matter is that whether or not we expand beyond will depend on a million and one factors none of us can forsee right now. It was not absolutely certain that Men would spread from the Fertile Crescent into the American continent; by the virtue of there being a land bridge between Russia and Alaska, a bunch of indians did cross over. By the virtue of a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats gettin' hated on by The King, a bunch of Englishmen did cross over.
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The Chinese accents in Hong Kong really put me off though.
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.
i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.
it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago
it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form
it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.
it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit
so, what, you're saying that the earth's resources won't be completely dried up, eventually? i mean, overpopulation was a concern ten years ago when there were only 3 billion people on the planet. There are close to 7 now, and that number's just climbing. the planet isn't getting any bigger.
The whole landing a remote probe on a distant planet just doesn't have the same "oomph" of landing an actual person there.
I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.
And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?
do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?
that if we didn't continue to send scientific probes and robots and stuff that we wouldn't learn lots along the way?
most of the discoveries and advances of the space program didn't come from manned space exploration at all.
in fact, very few did.
i'm apalled that i'm the only one here who seems to find pathetic flagwaiving and dickassery to be deplorable and not worthy of praise.
Pony, you're wrong in saying we've never going to leave this planet.
Longbaugh, you're wrong in saying we're eventually going to leave this planet.
The truth of the matter is that whether or not we expand beyond will depend on a million and one factors none of us can forsee right now. It was not absolutely certain that Men would spread from the Fertile Crescent into the American continent; by the virtue of there being a land bridge between Russia and Alaska, a bunch of indians did cross over. By the virtue of a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats gettin' hated on by The King, a bunch of Englishmen did cross over.
i never said we are going to leave the planet. if i said anything at all, it's that at some point in the future, whether it be the near or very distant, there will be a need to leave the planet.
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Like I said, Joe Shmoe is impressed by it, regardless of the fact that it took billions of uneeded dollars to do it, and we could have learned alot more through automated probes and robotics
it's sorta like the "Gangsta" mentality. Abundance and "the show of it" trumps efficiency and actual progress.
do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?
Yes!
Certain comforts we enjoy today only exist because we had to make sure a person could survive in space. The material they use in Tempur-Pedic beds? Not just used in beds. It's the basis for a lot of padding used today.
Pony, I seriously doubt that there is this huge problem in the scientific community. It's not like Virgin Airlines has stripped those guys over at the cancer research foundation of valuable scientists to go work on the orbital tourism ship.
i just get annoyed with space colonization because it's so utterly worthless and baseless and damaging to human progress.
i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.
it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago
it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form
it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.
it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit
so, what, you're saying that the earth's resources won't be completely dried up, eventually? i mean, overpopulation was a concern ten years ago when there were only 3 billion people on the planet. There are close to 7 now, and that number's just climbing. the planet isn't getting any bigger.
baugh duder maybe it's cause you live in the US
we uh
we got a lot of space
space isn't an issue for earth
not by a longshot
we're not ever gonna be "full of folk"
too many people vs. how resources? surely.
which is why we should learn how to harvest resources from other places, like other planets in the solar system, our moon, the asteroid belt, etc.
trying to say that putting six hundred and fifty people in a bubble somewhere on Europa or Tyche isn't a solution to the issue.
You know, tachyons go faster than the speed of light.
you mean the theoretical particle that nobody has proven even exists goes faster than light.
the theoretical particle we don't even know exists and even if we did we don't even know how the fuck we'd use or utilize.
yes
those things
yes i know about tachyons.
i know that if we've got some kind of magical fucking arthur c. clarke tachyon bullshit technology that can zip us around the god damn stars then we've got the same power to go anywhere we need anything and get it and bring it here.
The whole landing a remote probe on a distant planet just doesn't have the same "oomph" of landing an actual person there.
I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.
And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?
do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?
that if we didn't continue to send scientific probes and robots and stuff that we wouldn't learn lots along the way?
most of the discoveries and advances of the space program didn't come from manned space exploration at all.
in fact, very few did.
i'm apalled that i'm the only one here who seems to find pathetic flagwaiving and dickassery to be deplorable and not worthy of praise.
Well I was under the impression that public support drove alot of what was accomplished. When it stops being flashy and interesting, I just thought that most of that support would dry up and it would affect the programs.
And I didn't really think of it as flagwaving and dickassery, but I never really gave it too much though before.
Well I was under the impression that public support drove alot of what was accomplished. When it stops being flashy and interesting, I just thought that most of that support would dry up and it would affect the programs.
And I didn't really think of it as flagwaving and dickassery, but I never really gave it too much though before.
ha ha ha ha, that's what I was trying to say
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Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.
"we'll run out of resources!" or "we've destroyed the planet!" or "we'll overpopulate!" are not problems solved by human colonization of outer space.
there is no, and make sure you get this, no way you can make human colonization of outer space resource viable in a way that solves any of those problems without also possessing technolgy that fixes those problems.
it's like saying "the land here is arid and too difficult to till. let us build tractors... so we can drive to more fertile land."
or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.
Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.
kaz i want you to think hard about how those two things are completely different
Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.
So are you saying that if we figure out a way to travel interstellar distances... we can go kill some indians and steal their gold?!
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Does it prove you are a strong individual and therefore in possession of strong genes?
And yea, you can't just shed those psychological quirks biology has given you, as much as we'd love to
hell, if you look attractive, are you not given preferential treatment in many aspects of society? That job interview will probably go a little better
Why do you need cues to remember information? Why can you not just dredge up whatever memory you need?
As for putting billions of dollars towards putting people on other planets, it's what people want to see, and why they're funded to do so. Joe Shmoe doesn't care about satellite 231357 orbiting the iced rings of Saturn, but he does want to see Mr American Hero: First Man on Mars
i don't even know how you're coming to these conclusions.
Shit dude, it's NASA. They're like, the last guys you want to go to for developing space technology.
That's like pointing to the Hummer as an example of how car manufacturers are ignoring changing demands in the automobile industry.
i am going to give you a moment to review that post
i'm not going to respond to it
because you just went and did some D&D thing and made my barking and ranting into some kind of debate and good sir i will have none of this
if you want to call me a faggot and then ignore me that is cool but don't try to pretend to point out some kind of failing in my "argument" and do some kind of defender dance with me
i ain't in the mood for it
That game was so great, but had some pretty cheesy lines.
"I will burn like the brighest star."
"You're gonna burn alright."
I can just imagine Denton putting on his shades like David Caruso and "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" beginning
i suppose i can't argue with that.
I see where you're coming from, but, yea man, we're hardwired in certain ways. And wanting to prove ourselves as "tough" is one of them.
it's juvenile dickwaving that should've stopped as a species over a century ago
it serves absolutely zero positive purpose in any way, shape, or form
it wastes money, time, energy, research, and most of all the attention of otherwise very intelligent and useful people who could be using their talents for valid things.
it's like finding out six hundred of some of the world's greatest architects took a contract from vegas casino owners to build a casino that looked like the enterprise D and all the staff would wear starfleet uniforms and shit
Walton Simons - You take one more step forward and here I am again, like your own reflection repeated in a hall of mirrors
JC Denton - That makes me one ugly son-of-a-bitch.
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i think it's pathetic and immature.
spending billions of dollars on a stunt just to put some yankee fucker on the red planet to plant an american flag so you can shed a tear with your grandpa doesn't show how incredible or advanced the species is
it shows how much of a self-absorbed joke we can be
I'm not arguing for one or the other, but I do know that most people don't care much for that sort of thing until it results in a person following the robotics.
And hasn't the push of exploration into space brought about some really good advances for us here on Earth, or am I totally off my rocker?
Also, the entirety of Hong Kong
"OH MY GOD JC A BOMB"
"A BOMB"
Ha ha ha, I agree, I don't tout these aspects of our species
Infact, my belief is that through technology we can just redesign how we think
so we can be more progressive
that was the point I was trying to make in my previous posts. Sorta trying to point out how backwards biology left us.
Longbaugh, you're wrong in saying we're eventually going to leave this planet.
The truth of the matter is that whether or not we expand beyond will depend on a million and one factors none of us can forsee right now. It was not absolutely certain that Men would spread from the Fertile Crescent into the American continent; by the virtue of there being a land bridge between Russia and Alaska, a bunch of indians did cross over. By the virtue of a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats gettin' hated on by The King, a bunch of Englishmen did cross over.
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so, what, you're saying that the earth's resources won't be completely dried up, eventually? i mean, overpopulation was a concern ten years ago when there were only 3 billion people on the planet. There are close to 7 now, and that number's just climbing. the planet isn't getting any bigger.
What the hell else is there to be?
Not advisable for tourist to visit the canals at night!
I speel my dlink!
do you think that those advances wouldn't happen if we didn't send people?
that if we didn't continue to send scientific probes and robots and stuff that we wouldn't learn lots along the way?
most of the discoveries and advances of the space program didn't come from manned space exploration at all.
in fact, very few did.
i'm apalled that i'm the only one here who seems to find pathetic flagwaiving and dickassery to be deplorable and not worthy of praise.
i never said we are going to leave the planet. if i said anything at all, it's that at some point in the future, whether it be the near or very distant, there will be a need to leave the planet.
The two chicks outside the nightclub also had pretty forced Australian accents. Humored the shit out of me though.
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it's sorta like the "Gangsta" mentality. Abundance and "the show of it" trumps efficiency and actual progress.
Yes!
Certain comforts we enjoy today only exist because we had to make sure a person could survive in space. The material they use in Tempur-Pedic beds? Not just used in beds. It's the basis for a lot of padding used today.
baugh duder maybe it's cause you live in the US
we uh
we got a lot of space
space isn't an issue for earth
not by a longshot
we're not ever gonna be "full of folk"
too many people vs. how resources? surely.
which is why we should learn how to harvest resources from other places, like other planets in the solar system, our moon, the asteroid belt, etc.
trying to say that putting six hundred and fifty people in a bubble somewhere on Europa or Tyche isn't a solution to the issue.
anything less than that and it's more resource exhaustive than just bringing shit here.
you mean the theoretical particle that nobody has proven even exists goes faster than light.
the theoretical particle we don't even know exists and even if we did we don't even know how the fuck we'd use or utilize.
yes
those things
yes i know about tachyons.
i know that if we've got some kind of magical fucking arthur c. clarke tachyon bullshit technology that can zip us around the god damn stars then we've got the same power to go anywhere we need anything and get it and bring it here.
Well I was under the impression that public support drove alot of what was accomplished. When it stops being flashy and interesting, I just thought that most of that support would dry up and it would affect the programs.
And I didn't really think of it as flagwaving and dickassery, but I never really gave it too much though before.
ha ha ha ha, that's what I was trying to say
*Gasp*
Daft Punk have seen the future!
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"we'll run out of resources!" or "we've destroyed the planet!" or "we'll overpopulate!" are not problems solved by human colonization of outer space.
there is no, and make sure you get this, no way you can make human colonization of outer space resource viable in a way that solves any of those problems without also possessing technolgy that fixes those problems.
it's like saying "the land here is arid and too difficult to till. let us build tractors... so we can drive to more fertile land."
or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.
wait until all human genetics and culture comes melding together
kaz i want you to think hard about how those two things are completely different
So are you saying that if we figure out a way to travel interstellar distances... we can go kill some indians and steal their gold?!
How do you solve the need for larger... tracts of land? You can't build a machine to make the planet bigger.
Yes, Pony. I know there's lots of empty space on the planet still. There's also lots of whales we can make lamp oil from left, too.
not "debate on how to save the world"
And I want you to think about how defeatist you're being.
You're flat out saying we cannot do something. We'll never ever ever ever do it.
There is not a single goddamned thing in the universe that is absolute.