Sooo yeah, what kind of hardware do you need for fios? Like do you need category 6 cables, and then special modems/routers or what?
a guy came to house for a few hours, he had to install something, I'm honestly not sure what. when he left our modem (with wireless router built in) and hdtv service was all good to go so I unfortunately am not sure what he used. I know for things like the cable splitter he had to use very specific equipment.
Did they give you a choice of equipment? I would not really want to use their behemoth router... I need me a WRT!
Here is there DVD-player-size router/modem.
mine is smaller and sleeker than that. also it has a better range than the 10x netgear router I had. and it was free with sign up.
The free Actiontek router that comes with it is not bad. I've been playing TF2 for a week with a solid 5 ping no matter WHERE I connect. Map downloads are really fast (obviously) and I've been torrenting @ 1MB/s down, 500kbps up WHILE GAMING with no issue, no choke OVER WIRELESS.
Seriously, it's sweet. I'll be upgrading to the DGL-4500 in about 2 weeks (all my PCs have gigabit, hurray!)
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The free Actiontek router that comes with it is not bad. I've been playing TF2 for a week with a solid 5 ping no matter WHERE I connect. Map downloads are really fast (obviously) and I've been torrenting @ 1MB/s down, 500kbps up WHILE GAMING with no issue, no choke OVER WIRELESS.
Seriously, it's sweet. I'll be upgrading to the DGL-4500 in about 2 weeks (all my PCs have gigabit, hurray!)
The actiontek router fails for having a really shitty scheme for altering the config settings- "YES FOR THE
BILLIONTH TIME! I WANT TO MESS WITH THE ADVANCE SETTINGS!"(it always asks, ARE YOU SURE?).The Wifi is less then acceptable. It is more flakey then most It does work though. It really isn't a very good router at all especially since it is stupidly huge(as others have said). Some one else told me for(*ahem*)legit torrents that it is capped at the connection amount since is so shitty. I can still host a few multiple connections and send 200-100kb a second to multiple people on my 15/15 fios connection. I have heard of alot of failures on this router and it likes to be screwy with IP address. Give me a WRT54g or GL anyday.
Cynic, I haven't tried WoW or any other MMO to let you know if it helps or not.
Sooo yeah, what kind of hardware do you need for fios? Like do you need category 6 cables, and then special modems/routers or what?
a guy came to house for a few hours, he had to install something, I'm honestly not sure what. when he left our modem (with wireless router built in) and hdtv service was all good to go so I unfortunately am not sure what he used. I know for things like the cable splitter he had to use very specific equipment.
Did they give you a choice of equipment? I would not really want to use their behemoth router... I need me a WRT!
Here is there DVD-player-size router/modem.
The ONT (which takes in the fiber connection on one end and spits out the phone and ethernet connections on the other) and battery back-up unit (the BBU looks something like the CyberPower CS24U12V in size and shape; actually, I've got that same CyberPower unit in my home wiring panel to power the two house ethernet switches, so that I don't lose the house network if the power goes down, I plug the switches directly into the 12VDC output, no power bricks required) are provided by Verizon. They also usually throw in some sort of router (like the one Pat McRotch has). All of the equipment varies in size, shape, color, model depending on where and when you get your install done. Although the equipment isn't the stuff you can get down at the local Best Buy, it is somewhat commodoty gear, so you get whatever they stocked/brought that day.
I think they warranty the BBU battery for a year or so, after that, you're responsible for replacing the battery (it's a standard 12V sealed lead acid battery, like you'd find in any UPS or as the battery back-up for an alarm system). The batteries last for a few years.
You can replace the rotuer with whatever you want - with one exception. If you have FiOS TV, you need to keep the router. The reason for it and the routers large size is because of the NIM (network interface module) that converts RF to data (channel guide, VoD). You can use the router as a stand-alone NIM, just disable the WAN ports, disable the wireless (it's know for having particularly unreliable wirless, why it's so bad, I dunno), give it a static IP (in it's Home Network/Ethernet section) and plug a cable from a LAN port on your router to a LAN port on the router. Leave the coax as original.
I threw out the "free" router on my install. From my ONT, the Cat-5e goes straight to a switch, which splits it between a Sonicwall SOHO3 and a D-Link DIR-655. I don't have FiOS TV though (not available in my area). I have a business account (so that I can host content), so I have 4 IPs assocaited with the Sonicwall network, and 1 assigned to the NAT on the D-Link.
Sooo how big of an advantage would this pose for online games and MMOs? Probably not as big as I would think right? Probably because the games were coded with a set bandwidth in mind and FIOS is probably totally overkill unless I play an MMO while uploading/downloading whole gigs of data and media, right/
Correct. The games themself don't actually send/recieve much data, relative to a broadband connection, and are quite playable over a modem connection (modulo connection problems and latency that aren't necessarily inherent to a modem connection). I think EQ and EQ2 only use about 12Kb/s bandwidth for game play.
The D-Link DIR-655 and DGL-4500 seem to be about the same, but one is $40 cheaper...wtf?
They're not the same, but you may not care why. The DGL-4500 is a newer model and has a OLED status display on the top (which pretty much accounts for at least $40 in difference right there), which the DIR-655 lacks.
The feature comparison thing is only as good as the fidelity of the data that gets put into the database it pulls from. For example, the DGL-4500 has all the same security features the DIR-655 does, but the comparison shows the DGL-4500 with only a few of the features, making the DIR-655 look considerably better. It also omits the Windows Connect USB port on the DGL-4500, which it actually does have. That's just off the top of my head.
You're better off going to the manufacturer's pages and reading those:
From a networking perspective, the two models are almost functionally identical. If the little display (and shiny black color) aren't important to you, save $40 and buy the DIR-655.
Well, rather than create my own thread about it, I figured I would just add to this one... I've just signed up for the Fios 20/5 package... Assuming I picked everything online properly I'll be seeing someone next Friday to hook me up to their stuff....
My current bright house speeds are about about 15/2...
Reason for the switch? I'll be cancelling my Vonage and Bright house, in theory, saving me about 50 dollars a month, I'm supposed to be getting these services for about 99.99, after all the discounts and stuff....
Well, rather than create my own thread about it, I figured I would just add to this one... I've just signed up for the Fios 20/5 package... Assuming I picked everything online properly I'll be seeing someone next Friday to hook me up to their stuff....
My current bright house speeds are about about 15/2...
Reason for the switch? I'll be cancelling my Vonage and Bright house, in theory, saving me about 50 dollars a month, I'm supposed to be getting these services for about 99.99, after all the discounts and stuff....
Congrats - just FYI - it seems there was no port forwarding needed on the Verizon router, so for the time I had it, it worked fine with uTorrent - just picked a randomly generated port and voila! Torrenting!
Today's supposed to be the day for me.... I'm hoping that my not shutting off my Bright House service isn't going to interfere with anything
Why didn't you shut off Bright House?
I want to make sure that FiOS wont give me any issues before fully making the change over... It's a minor cost so I'm not worried about it... But we'll find out...
Well, the verizon guy is here, but I'm not getting 20 down 5 up, I'm checking while he's doing the work, I'm only getting 10 down 5 up... So yeah, Bright house is still winning in download speeds as theirs was 15...
Guy told me "Speakesy doesn't handle 20mbps" pfft...
There we go, getting 18 down and 4.5 up... I'm happy...
In other news, my discussion with the guy was rather informative and scary... The multi-room DVR boxes apparently use a Microsoft made OS, and their trucks have GPS trackers in them, and when they're hooking the equipment up they ping their trucks letting Verizon know where they are and how long its taking them to perform the services... Hence why they need no signatures to do their work... Verizon knows exactly where and how long they're taking...
Seems to look better than my old Bright House too, so I guess its time to make the call and cancel...
Took me 20 minutes on the phone to disconnect Vonage, and about two or three minutes to dump Bright House.... Now... The tricky part... Verizon's wireless router is obviously shit, but in my networking experience having two routers on your network is just baaaaad mojo.... And my downloads aren't working properly...
Why do you NEED your router?
It's a wireless N router with a gigabit switch, I need its speed for my internal network...
Alright kids, brain storming time.... What are my options to regain my functionality... the primary goal is to be able to connect to...
This web address is my home server, which must be accessible from the outside world (See my signature )
My current plan now is to disable the DHCP server on the Verizon box and try to have it pass those functions over to my router... Worse case scenario I figure just hit reset...
The ActionTec box has a Coax cable going into it.... My router does not have a hole for that.... I need their idiot box to pull this off... I almost had it setup properly, but I keep getting brick walled by IP addresses... I'm trying to set it up so that the Verizon box assigns the IP addresses, but my Linksys router does everything else...
Ok, so disable DHCP on the Actiontec router and assign it a static IP - your other router should handle the requests. My setup was different, there's a big box in my Master closet and the router plugs into an ethernet drop in the office. No coax, only Cat5
Took me 20 minutes on the phone to disconnect Vonage, and about two or three minutes to dump Bright House.... Now... The tricky part... Verizon's wireless router is obviously shit, but in my networking experience having two routers on your network is just baaaaad mojo.... And my downloads aren't working properly...
Why do you NEED your router?
It's a wireless N router with a gigabit switch, I need its speed for my internal network...
Alright kids, brain storming time.... What are my options to regain my functionality... the primary goal is to be able to connect to...
This web address is my home server, which must be accessible from the outside world (See my signature )
My current plan now is to disable the DHCP server on the Verizon box and try to have it pass those functions over to my router... Worse case scenario I figure just hit reset...
You should of had them do it over CAT-5 and not MoCA, that is, Unless you needed the verizon tv service. Then you are forced to use their actiontek shitty router. I know its bridgeable though ( a gigantic pain but it is)
New problem.... I solved my routing issues by having all internet functions passed right through the Verizon box to the Linksys router, YAY!, the problem? video on Demand and widgets have stopped working.... Most unexpected...
Through a series of fascinating instructions I found online I've discovered that some people are geniuses.... Essentially the Verizon router is getting internet from my Linksys box at this point...
Allow me to elaborate...
Their router has Coax WAN, so their router is required to get at the internet, because you need to screw in a coax cable, but through a series of intricate setting changes within the router you can set it up so that it dumps all of it's internet-grabbing features onto another router and have the box act just like a modem.... Doing this however disables your Video on Demand and widgets... oh noes... However, through a series of even more ingenius changes in settings you can have your router double back to the verizon box and give it it's own internet back to get those features restored... You end up with the following...
Coax WAN into the router>LAN out of the Verizon router into the new router's WAN>LAN out of the new router into the Etherner WAN on Verizon's router>Coax into the Set top box...
So basically my view of Verizon's equipment has gone up a peg because of how utilitarian it became once configured properly... I mean it's giving my router all access to the internet, which is then in turn giving the very same internet BACK to their router.... Pure genius...
So basically my view of Verizon's equipment has gone up a peg because of how utilitarian it became once configured properly... I mean it's giving my router all access to the internet, which is then in turn giving the very same internet BACK to their router.... Pure genius...
*waits for a firmware update to break this*
Just kidding, that's actually pretty insightful. There is a forum out there filled with volunteer Verizon engies for alternative tech support, but I can't remember where it is atm. I remember some really nifty solutions and explanations though.
So basically my view of Verizon's equipment has gone up a peg because of how utilitarian it became once configured properly... I mean it's giving my router all access to the internet, which is then in turn giving the very same internet BACK to their router.... Pure genius...
*waits for a firmware update to break this*
Just kidding, that's actually pretty insightful. There is a forum out there filled with volunteer Verizon engies for alternative tech support, but I can't remember where it is atm. I remember some really nifty solutions and explanations though.
I'm so envious of you! I live in fucking SAN FRANCISCO and I'm told not to expect to be able to get anything close to those kind of speeds for a reasonable price anytime in the near future. 20/20 would let me host my own damn Exchange server!
Through a series of fascinating instructions I found online I've discovered that some people are geniuses.... Essentially the Verizon router is getting internet from my Linksys box at this point...
Allow me to elaborate...
Their router has Coax WAN, so their router is required to get at the internet, because you need to screw in a coax cable, but through a series of intricate setting changes within the router you can set it up so that it dumps all of it's internet-grabbing features onto another router and have the box act just like a modem.... Doing this however disables your Video on Demand and widgets... oh noes... However, through a series of even more ingenius changes in settings you can have your router double back to the verizon box and give it it's own internet back to get those features restored... You end up with the following...
Coax WAN into the router>LAN out of the Verizon router into the new router's WAN>LAN out of the new router into the Etherner WAN on Verizon's router>Coax into the Set top box...
So basically my view of Verizon's equipment has gone up a peg because of how utilitarian it became once configured properly... I mean it's giving my router all access to the internet, which is then in turn giving the very same internet BACK to their router.... Pure genius...
Can you post the tutorials for this? I did bridging on my MI-424WR router but I lost the widgets and Video on Demand ("oh noes" sounds right) along with programming guides (a little more heinous). I'm somewhat familiar with the bridging but have never heard of how to do the double back and restore the features. But a tutorial for the WHOLE process would be awesome, if you have it available.
Also, if I do this, would it make AP Isolation on my WRT54G (the router I plan to use instead) work properly? Or maybe I don't understand it all too well, I would kind of like to have WEP instead of WPA2 so I can use my XBOX wireless adapter, but that means easy access for snoops. Bandwidth loss wouldn't be a big deal since I could periodically check and nip them by swapping back to WPA2, but even if they had temporary access to my files that would suck. Right now I'm just using XP SP3 Pro file sharing with passwords, that's probably enough...
And since I'm not all that familiar with router performance, would the WRT54G handling all internet functions actually work better than the MI-424WR? Things aren't bad right now by any means, except the wireless on the MI-424WR sucked in comparison to the WRT54G's (which is working like a wireless bridge right now).
Let me see if I can dig up the tutorials for you, they're not the the faint of heart though, as for the wireless functions, I've turned off the Verizon router's wireless radio, so my entire network is basically run by my Linksys router with a double back in data to the router...
Best thing I found to do was push reset on both routers before beginning the instructions... Try to follow them to a T, otherwise you'll run into some issues...
Any game will perform amazingly. The key is a good router to handle the direction of packets. The Dlink Gigabit routers (DIR-655 and DGL-4xxx) have packet traffic software that is AMAZING. I was saturated with down and upload yesterday (2MB/s both ways) and still had a 20 ping in TF2.
Well, see, the thing about that is I want to know how specifically it will affect SL. If it will make teleporting around quicker, and make things like textures load quicker, these are the kind of things I'd like to find out.
Well, see, the thing about that is I want to know how specifically it will affect SL. If it will make teleporting around quicker, and make things like textures load quicker, these are the kind of things I'd like to find out.
It will render the world as the network protocols tell it to. If your computer is lacking, it will act the same, you just won't suffer rubber-banding that MMOs are notorious for with low-latency connections.
Basically, if your COMPUTER sucks, the fastest internets in the world won't change a thing. Your COMPUTER will still suck balls.
Let me see if I can dig up the tutorials for you, they're not the the faint of heart though, as for the wireless functions, I've turned off the Verizon router's wireless radio, so my entire network is basically run by my Linksys router with a double back in data to the router...
Best thing I found to do was push reset on both routers before beginning the instructions... Try to follow them to a T, otherwise you'll run into some issues...
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mine is smaller and sleeker than that. also it has a better range than the 10x netgear router I had. and it was free with sign up.
Seriously, it's sweet. I'll be upgrading to the DGL-4500 in about 2 weeks (all my PCs have gigabit, hurray!)
The actiontek router fails for having a really shitty scheme for altering the config settings- "YES FOR THE
BILLIONTH TIME! I WANT TO MESS WITH THE ADVANCE SETTINGS!"(it always asks, ARE YOU SURE?).The Wifi is less then acceptable. It is more flakey then most It does work though. It really isn't a very good router at all especially since it is stupidly huge(as others have said). Some one else told me for(*ahem*)legit torrents that it is capped at the connection amount since is so shitty. I can still host a few multiple connections and send 200-100kb a second to multiple people on my 15/15 fios connection. I have heard of alot of failures on this router and it likes to be screwy with IP address. Give me a WRT54g or GL anyday.
Cynic, I haven't tried WoW or any other MMO to let you know if it helps or not.
The ONT (which takes in the fiber connection on one end and spits out the phone and ethernet connections on the other) and battery back-up unit (the BBU looks something like the CyberPower CS24U12V in size and shape; actually, I've got that same CyberPower unit in my home wiring panel to power the two house ethernet switches, so that I don't lose the house network if the power goes down, I plug the switches directly into the 12VDC output, no power bricks required) are provided by Verizon. They also usually throw in some sort of router (like the one Pat McRotch has). All of the equipment varies in size, shape, color, model depending on where and when you get your install done. Although the equipment isn't the stuff you can get down at the local Best Buy, it is somewhat commodoty gear, so you get whatever they stocked/brought that day.
I think they warranty the BBU battery for a year or so, after that, you're responsible for replacing the battery (it's a standard 12V sealed lead acid battery, like you'd find in any UPS or as the battery back-up for an alarm system). The batteries last for a few years.
You can replace the rotuer with whatever you want - with one exception. If you have FiOS TV, you need to keep the router. The reason for it and the routers large size is because of the NIM (network interface module) that converts RF to data (channel guide, VoD). You can use the router as a stand-alone NIM, just disable the WAN ports, disable the wireless (it's know for having particularly unreliable wirless, why it's so bad, I dunno), give it a static IP (in it's Home Network/Ethernet section) and plug a cable from a LAN port on your router to a LAN port on the router. Leave the coax as original.
I threw out the "free" router on my install. From my ONT, the Cat-5e goes straight to a switch, which splits it between a Sonicwall SOHO3 and a D-Link DIR-655. I don't have FiOS TV though (not available in my area). I have a business account (so that I can host content), so I have 4 IPs assocaited with the Sonicwall network, and 1 assigned to the NAT on the D-Link.
Correct. The games themself don't actually send/recieve much data, relative to a broadband connection, and are quite playable over a modem connection (modulo connection problems and latency that aren't necessarily inherent to a modem connection). I think EQ and EQ2 only use about 12Kb/s bandwidth for game play.
It'll help with game patch downloads, however.
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The D-Link DIR-655 and DGL-4500 seem to be about the same, but one is $40 cheaper...wtf?
They're not the same, but you may not care why. The DGL-4500 is a newer model and has a OLED status display on the top (which pretty much accounts for at least $40 in difference right there), which the DIR-655 lacks.
The feature comparison thing is only as good as the fidelity of the data that gets put into the database it pulls from. For example, the DGL-4500 has all the same security features the DIR-655 does, but the comparison shows the DGL-4500 with only a few of the features, making the DIR-655 look considerably better. It also omits the Windows Connect USB port on the DGL-4500, which it actually does have. That's just off the top of my head.
You're better off going to the manufacturer's pages and reading those:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=530
http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=643&#DGL-4500
From a networking perspective, the two models are almost functionally identical. If the little display (and shiny black color) aren't important to you, save $40 and buy the DIR-655.
My current bright house speeds are about about 15/2...
Reason for the switch? I'll be cancelling my Vonage and Bright house, in theory, saving me about 50 dollars a month, I'm supposed to be getting these services for about 99.99, after all the discounts and stuff....
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Congrats - just FYI - it seems there was no port forwarding needed on the Verizon router, so for the time I had it, it worked fine with uTorrent - just picked a randomly generated port and voila! Torrenting!
Cat5 is usually more than sufficient for fully duplexed 100 Mbps networks. We're taking about speeds a 5th of that.
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Why didn't you shut off Bright House?
I want to make sure that FiOS wont give me any issues before fully making the change over... It's a minor cost so I'm not worried about it... But we'll find out...
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Guy told me "Speakesy doesn't handle 20mbps" pfft...
There we go, getting 18 down and 4.5 up... I'm happy...
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Seems to look better than my old Bright House too, so I guess its time to make the call and cancel...
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Why do you NEED your router?
It's a wireless N router with a gigabit switch, I need its speed for my internal network...
Alright kids, brain storming time.... What are my options to regain my functionality... the primary goal is to be able to connect to...
https://galacticcentral.homeserver.com
This web address is my home server, which must be accessible from the outside world (See my signature
My current plan now is to disable the DHCP server on the Verizon box and try to have it pass those functions over to my router... Worse case scenario I figure just hit reset...
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Damn, this thing is a bitch...
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You should of had them do it over CAT-5 and not MoCA, that is, Unless you needed the verizon tv service. Then you are forced to use their actiontek shitty router. I know its bridgeable though ( a gigantic pain but it is)
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someone click on the following link and tell me if it works...
https://galacticcentral.homeserver.com
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I clicked and it works.
Using TimeWarner broadband in Maine.
Me so happy now...
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Through a series of fascinating instructions I found online I've discovered that some people are geniuses.... Essentially the Verizon router is getting internet from my Linksys box at this point...
Allow me to elaborate...
Their router has Coax WAN, so their router is required to get at the internet, because you need to screw in a coax cable, but through a series of intricate setting changes within the router you can set it up so that it dumps all of it's internet-grabbing features onto another router and have the box act just like a modem.... Doing this however disables your Video on Demand and widgets... oh noes... However, through a series of even more ingenius changes in settings you can have your router double back to the verizon box and give it it's own internet back to get those features restored... You end up with the following...
Coax WAN into the router>LAN out of the Verizon router into the new router's WAN>LAN out of the new router into the Etherner WAN on Verizon's router>Coax into the Set top box...
So basically my view of Verizon's equipment has gone up a peg because of how utilitarian it became once configured properly... I mean it's giving my router all access to the internet, which is then in turn giving the very same internet BACK to their router.... Pure genius...
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Just kidding, that's actually pretty insightful. There is a forum out there filled with volunteer Verizon engies for alternative tech support, but I can't remember where it is atm. I remember some really nifty solutions and explanations though.
Wait, I am missing something here...
Also, if I do this, would it make AP Isolation on my WRT54G (the router I plan to use instead) work properly? Or maybe I don't understand it all too well, I would kind of like to have WEP instead of WPA2 so I can use my XBOX wireless adapter, but that means easy access for snoops. Bandwidth loss wouldn't be a big deal since I could periodically check and nip them by swapping back to WPA2, but even if they had temporary access to my files that would suck. Right now I'm just using XP SP3 Pro file sharing with passwords, that's probably enough...
And since I'm not all that familiar with router performance, would the WRT54G handling all internet functions actually work better than the MI-424WR? Things aren't bad right now by any means, except the wireless on the MI-424WR sucked in comparison to the WRT54G's (which is working like a wireless bridge right now).
Edit: turns ou tI bookmarked the page...
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19994821-ActionTec-MI424WR-Bridge-Updated-Instructions-VOD
Best thing I found to do was push reset on both routers before beginning the instructions... Try to follow them to a T, otherwise you'll run into some issues...
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It will render the world as the network protocols tell it to. If your computer is lacking, it will act the same, you just won't suffer rubber-banding that MMOs are notorious for with low-latency connections.
Basically, if your COMPUTER sucks, the fastest internets in the world won't change a thing. Your COMPUTER will still suck balls.