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So...how's about that Farcry 2?

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  • gogglesgoggles Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    My response after seeing the gameplay is "meh." Core gameplay hasn't changed. Unless they involve world-interaction in a big way, it doesn't seem any different from Crysis/HL2/Generic Modern FPS. This boils down to the fact that games now have amazing interactive worlds, but shooting guys is the easiest/best way to solve most situations.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Please read this thread before posting. Also, it's "Far Cry".

    Good luck in the forums...

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  • tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    how could it be "meh"? it looks like everything far cry 2 should be with the removal of those fucking trigen, and I had a blast in far cry.

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  • penguinsaucepenguinsauce Registered User new member
    edited July 2008
    I feel like farcry is a resounding meh. Sure it's pretty and functions okay, but there's nothing in farcry or crysis that really sucked me in to make it seem unique.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I feel like farcry is a resounding meh. Sure it's pretty and functions okay, but there's nothing in farcry or crysis that really sucked me in to make it seem unique.

    I keep hearing these complaints about the setting / gameplay of *cry being generic, but how many other tropical sandbox shooters do you know of?

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Far Cry was really good. However, at E3, they didnt even demo the PC version for Far Cry 2 (were demoing the xbox360 version), which might mean that PC = console port. I hope not, but we will see.

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  • meatflowermeatflower Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Spoit wrote: »
    I feel like farcry is a resounding meh. Sure it's pretty and functions okay, but there's nothing in farcry or crysis that really sucked me in to make it seem unique.

    I keep hearing these complaints about the setting / gameplay of *cry being generic, but how many other tropical sandbox shooters do you know of?

    It's not so much generic as it is plain. There's just nothing really special about it on the whole, after the breathtaking setting. Crysis feels almost just like Far Cry besides the suit, which is a well done gimmick.

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  • FlyingmanFlyingman Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    TelMarine wrote: »
    Far Cry was really good. However, at E3, they didnt even demo the PC version for Far Cry 2 (were demoing the xbox360 version), which might mean that PC = console port. I hope not, but we will see.

    Or that they thought more people would want to see the 360 version.

    That's like saying "Mass Effect? Yeah, that'll end up crap, it's a console port isn't it?"

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    meatflower wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    I feel like farcry is a resounding meh. Sure it's pretty and functions okay, but there's nothing in farcry or crysis that really sucked me in to make it seem unique.

    I keep hearing these complaints about the setting / gameplay of *cry being generic, but how many other tropical sandbox shooters do you know of?

    It's not so much generic as it is plain. There's just nothing really special about it on the whole, after the breathtaking setting. Crysis feels almost just like Far Cry besides the suit, which is a well done gimmick.

    o_O I fail to see how that definition is different... Did you (as in the people saying that it's generic, not you personally) even get to the harbour level (or play it in the first place)? I ask again, how many other games are there that are like far cry in the first place?

    Also, Far cry 2 has always had PC as it's lead platform, IIRC the 360 port had like less than 5 people working on it

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I don't even think they should keep the Far Cry name anymore.

    I worry they might be hurting the sales of a game that looks amazing by giving it the same moniker as a bunch of console shovel ware from the last few years.

    And even if you ignore all the awful console versions, it's still nothing like the original in terms of gameplay, beyond the whole 'big open areas, realistic weapons + vehicles' bit which is now standard for most modern FPS games.

    I'm still psyched for it though; it looks great, and I've been following it since its announcement.

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  • major_tommajor_tom Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    HadjiQuest wrote: »
    I don't even think they should keep the Far Cry name anymore.

    I worry they might be hurting the sales of a game that looks amazing by giving it the same moniker as a bunch of console shovel ware from the last few years.

    And even if you ignore all the awful console versions, it's still nothing like the original in terms of gameplay, beyond the whole 'big open areas, realistic weapons + vehicles' bit which is now standard for most modern FPS games.

    I'm still psyched for it though; it looks great, and I've been following it since its announcement.

    You know, I'm beginning to think that this may be the case, judging by some of the idiotic comments in this thread. Ignoring the fact that Far Cry (the PC original) was one of the most free-form FPSes out there, Far Cry 2 looks like it has more in common with STALKER than even any of the past *cry games.

    Except with better AI and pretty awesome world interaction. Check out some of the narrated demo videos on GT (which someone else may or may not have to link as i'm at work).

    Seriously, this game should be getting a much bigger buzz. I think it looks much more exciting than crysis, if we're playing the comparison game.

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  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I'm not usually one to trash games, but Far Cry really soured me with its mutants and checkpoints and crap. I think I enjoyed Crysis more because it's crappy latter half was at least over quickly.

    However, I'm pretty excited about Far Cry 2. If they expand on the system in Crysis where you have to figure out the best way to attack and approach an enemy base every few miles, then it could be really cool. Only thing I don't like about that style is everything is open, so if you approach from the "wrong" way you are basically surrounded and stuck hiding in a corner. Maybe I just suck and need to use a silencer more often, but it didn't seem like the many ways to kill people were as clear and straightforward as in an FPS-RPG that is designed to have multiple routes. Not sure if that makes sense.

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I really liked Far Cry, a lot, until I got to those mutant apes. The game ended there for me.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I dunno, Crysis was pretty goddamned awesome (I don't give two shits about what people said about the second half of the game, it was intense and fucking cool. I have never felt more like a movie action hero than while playing through that last part) and I'm looking forward to Far Cry 2. I don't care if it's "generic" or more of the same because I'm kinda looking for more of the same awesome, free form gameplay.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Darmak wrote: »
    I dunno, Crysis was pretty goddamned awesome (I don't give two shits about what people said about the second half of the game, it was intense and fucking cool. I have never felt more like a movie action hero than while playing through that last part) and I'm looking forward to Far Cry 2. I don't care if it's "generic" or more of the same because I'm kinda looking for more of the same awesome, free form gameplay.

    Yeah, I'll have to say I enjoyed the final parts of the game. It was a nice change of pace. I can see what they were trying to do by ramping things up a bit. All in all I thought Crysis was a pretty awesome game. Final boss was a little lame, but bosses in FPS's are almost always lame, so it's not as if I can really single them out on that.

    I really hope they have more levels like the harbour level in Crysis Warhead though, that level was probably the pinnacle of the game for me. Only real thing I've been able to tell from the pre-release screenshots is that Psycho appears to be able to dual wield SMG's. Which is no bad thing.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    subedii wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    I dunno, Crysis was pretty goddamned awesome (I don't give two shits about what people said about the second half of the game, it was intense and fucking cool. I have never felt more like a movie action hero than while playing through that last part) and I'm looking forward to Far Cry 2. I don't care if it's "generic" or more of the same because I'm kinda looking for more of the same awesome, free form gameplay.

    Yeah, I'll have to say I enjoyed the final parts of the game. It was a nice change of pace. I can see what they were trying to do by ramping things up a bit. All in all I thought Crysis was a pretty awesome game. Final boss was a little lame, but bosses in FPS's are almost always lame, so it's not as if I can really single them out on that.

    I really hope they have more levels like the harbour level in Crysis Warhead though, that level was probably the pinnacle of the game for me. Only real thing I've been able to tell from the pre-release screenshots is that Psycho appears to be able to dual wield SMG's. Which is no bad thing.

    I don't know if all bosses in FPS games are lame, I'm pretty sure there's been at least one or two that were cool but I can't think of any off the top of my head so I guess it doesn't matter then, does it? :D

    Also, where is Far Cry 2 set? It kinda reminds me of like some sort of savanna or something while other screenshots remind me of a tropical setting. They're all gorgeous screenshots though so I guess it doesn't matter too much.

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  • interceptintercept Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    subedii wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    I dunno, Crysis was pretty goddamned awesome (I don't give two shits about what people said about the second half of the game, it was intense and fucking cool. I have never felt more like a movie action hero than while playing through that last part) and I'm looking forward to Far Cry 2. I don't care if it's "generic" or more of the same because I'm kinda looking for more of the same awesome, free form gameplay.

    Yeah, I'll have to say I enjoyed the final parts of the game. It was a nice change of pace. I can see what they were trying to do by ramping things up a bit. All in all I thought Crysis was a pretty awesome game. Final boss was a little lame, but bosses in FPS's are almost always lame, so it's not as if I can really single them out on that.

    I really hope they have more levels like the harbour level in Crysis Warhead though, that level was probably the pinnacle of the game for me. Only real thing I've been able to tell from the pre-release screenshots is that Psycho appears to be able to dual wield SMG's. Which is no bad thing.

    Most people were pissed off because it promised to deliver an unconventional FPS experience, and it didn't. I was actually really excited about the idea of the suit and all the crazy shit you could supposedly do that according to the trailer. Like you can sprint away from a bunch of bullets using super speed, use super strength to stop and lift up a jeep, then hurl that shit at some hapless soldiers and laugh as their bones are crushed and they are roasted alive from the ensuing exploding gas leak.

    You couldn't do any of that shit. I ended up playing on Delta mode, and I absolutely hate games that don't tweak properly for the hardest difficulty. Using anything else but Armor is suicide or a gimmick. When I sprinted, I got shot twice and died. Apparently these mooks graduated from Han Solo Accuracy school with flying colors if they could hit a human-sized object dashing at presumably 70 miles an hour, and even if they couldn't hit you at that point you ran out of energy to Armor or Stealth, so you were dead anyway since the Sprint itself also lasted woefully short. So the whole time you just alternate between Armor and Stealth picking off guys one by one, and all your Strength is used for is jumping to a cliff you wouldn't be able to reach normally. Any other time it's redundant. It's much easier to just shoot someone than go through all this complicated shit of sneaking up and punching him, or using him as a human shield. You can't even throw him into other people or something. On the plus side, it felt really cool when your suit would go MAXIMUM AH-MAH.

    I'm fine with buzz words. The next huge innovation in FPS gaming! We're pushing the envelope with this one! It's just lame when you add in game mechanics that are supposed to fundamentally alter the game... But they don't at all, really. At least Far Cry 2 isn't feeding people bullshit. You get what you see.

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  • TrevorTrevor Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I'm looking forward to this game. Hopefully it will cry farther than the first one. I kind of like the idea of supporting characters that don't come back if they die.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Darmak wrote: »
    subedii wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    I dunno, Crysis was pretty goddamned awesome (I don't give two shits about what people said about the second half of the game, it was intense and fucking cool. I have never felt more like a movie action hero than while playing through that last part) and I'm looking forward to Far Cry 2. I don't care if it's "generic" or more of the same because I'm kinda looking for more of the same awesome, free form gameplay.

    Yeah, I'll have to say I enjoyed the final parts of the game. It was a nice change of pace. I can see what they were trying to do by ramping things up a bit. All in all I thought Crysis was a pretty awesome game. Final boss was a little lame, but bosses in FPS's are almost always lame, so it's not as if I can really single them out on that.

    I really hope they have more levels like the harbour level in Crysis Warhead though, that level was probably the pinnacle of the game for me. Only real thing I've been able to tell from the pre-release screenshots is that Psycho appears to be able to dual wield SMG's. Which is no bad thing.

    I don't know if all bosses in FPS games are lame, I'm pretty sure there's been at least one or two that were cool but I can't think of any off the top of my head so I guess it doesn't matter then, does it? :D

    Also, where is Far Cry 2 set? It kinda reminds me of like some sort of savanna or something while other screenshots remind me of a tropical setting. They're all gorgeous screenshots though so I guess it doesn't matter too much.

    It's basically set in a fictitious country in Africa, allowing them to throw a whole host of African scenery in there all the way from the North to the South. I guess they wanted to hit all the stereotypes people come to expect when they think of Africa. :lol:

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  • guidedbyvicesguidedbyvices Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Far Cry for the Xbox phatty... was actually pretty amazing.
    Wide open spaces, intense draw-distance... Great AI... Multiple routes... Though I hear it was totally redone plot/level-wise and not a strict port of the PC version.

    So it isn't necessairly fair to call all of the console copies shovelware (the Wii version notwithstanding. Talk about a Clusterfuck.)

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    intercept wrote: »

    You couldn't do any of that shit. I ended up playing on Delta mode, and I absolutely hate games that don't tweak properly for the hardest difficulty. Using anything else but Armor is suicide or a gimmick. When I sprinted, I got shot twice and died. Apparently these mooks graduated from Han Solo Accuracy school with flying colors if they could hit a human-sized object dashing at presumably 70 miles an hour, and even if they couldn't hit you at that point you ran out of energy to Armor or Stealth, so you were dead anyway since the Sprint itself also lasted woefully short. So the whole time you just alternate between Armor and Stealth picking off guys one by one, and all your Strength is used for is jumping to a cliff you wouldn't be able to reach normally. Any other time it's redundant. It's much easier to just shoot someone than go through all this complicated shit of sneaking up and punching him, or using him as a human shield. You can't even throw him into other people or something. On the plus side, it felt really cool when your suit would go MAXIMUM AH-MAH.

    I'm fine with buzz words. The next huge innovation in FPS gaming! We're pushing the envelope with this one! It's just lame when you add in game mechanics that are supposed to fundamentally alter the game... But they don't at all, really. At least Far Cry 2 isn't feeding people bullshit. You get what you see.

    Well your expectations aside (which granted, would've been cool), I have to take issue with pretty much the rest of your post. Can't use speed or strength mode? Are you kidding me?

    Look, I played on Delta too. My experience was largely that of sprinting away from enemy fire, laying down fire in strength mode, knocking down guards like the road-runner (speed mode into people and they're knocked off their feet) and then hurling them into other guards. Setting up distractions to draw troops away from critical areas and then bounding over rooftops to the opposite end of the base. Man, I managed to pull off so much stuff in that game that most other FPS's just don't really allow for. Heck, I even did a no-cloak run, just to see whether all the complaints of "you can't play this game otherwise!" were actually true.

    Turns out they weren't. No cloak run on Delta was maybe a little more difficult than Delta for the lack of the extra option, but that's about it. I'd say it was pretty easy, playing with little to-no cloak usage is my standard playstyle now, you don't really need it when you know how to use cover, it's just an extra option. I still did plenty of stealth and sneaking, there is ridiculous amounts of cover when you need it most of the time. As long as you know what you're doing you can be lying down in good cover with guards walking by 5 feet in front of you and they won't see you. I didn't see Delta as a limitation, playing on Delta pretty much forced me to think more creatively about how to approach situations and even how to be more stealthy in my approaches.

    I'm not some super wizard with FPS's. I can't headshot at a hundred yards and I often suck with grenades. Ultimately how much you enjoy Crysis really depends on how much you're willing to put into it. If you're going to play it just like a bog standard FPS, then that's exactly what it's going to turn out like. Crysis doesn't force you into doing crazy and cool things. The game just provides you with the tools, what you do with them is up to you.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    System Requirements:

    Minimum requirements

    CPU:
    Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz, Pentium D 2.66 Ghz, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ or better

    Video card:
    NVIDIA® 6800 or ATI®X1650 or better
    Shader Model 3 required
    256 Mb of graphic memory

    Memory: 1 Go

    Media reader: DVD-ROM

    Recommended

    CPU:
    Intel® Core 2 Duo Family, AMD®64 X2 5200+, AMD® Phenom or better

    Video card:
    NVIDIA® 8600 GTS or better, ATI®X1900 or better
    512 Mb of graphic memory

    Memory: 2 Go

    Sound: 5.1 sound card recommended

    Media reader:
    DVD-ROM

    Supported Video cards:
    NVIDIA® 6800, NVIDIA® 7000 series, 8000 series, 9000 series, 200 series. 8800M and 8700M supported for laptops.
    ATI® X1650 – 1950 series , HD2000 series , HD3000 series , HD4000 series .

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Man what a garbage OP. You really need to fix that up.

    I swear to god I don't want to see a single being in Far Cry 2 that I couldn't fly a plane to and shoot in the real world. That is my only request.

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  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If they have enemies that can actually go indoors without becomming mystically retarded then i'll be happy. I'd even tolerate the sudden inclusion of mutants for no goddamn reason.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    What's going on in here? Far Cry was a great shooter. Far Cry 2 looks amazing.

    Who are you people and what have you done with all the forumers who love computer games?

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    What's going on in here? Far Cry was a great shooter. Far Cry 2 looks amazing.

    Who are you people and what have you done with all the forumers who love computer games?

    If you hate a game it seems you never get tired of explaining to people that it's a bad game. Not so much the other way around.

    I'm pretty psyched about this, my only problem is that we're rapidly running into the too much awesome season again. I think I've bought about 3 games this year, and have about 10 I want to buy Sept-Dec.

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    anybody seen the stealth walkthroughs that go horribly wrong because they are shit

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Rook wrote: »
    What's going on in here? Far Cry was a great shooter. Far Cry 2 looks amazing.

    Who are you people and what have you done with all the forumers who love computer games?

    If you hate a game it seems you never get tired of explaining to people that it's a bad game. Not so much the other way around.

    I'm pretty psyched about this, my only problem is that we're rapidly running into the too much awesome season again. I think I've bought about 3 games this year, and have about 10 I want to buy Sept-Dec.

    Tell me about it. I only got a 360 three months ago. I'm still catching up with all the awesome games I've missed out on up until now. And GTAIV hasn't exactly helped considering I'm only just starting to play other games since it came out and I'm still not even close to being done with it yet.

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  • TrevorTrevor Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Oh man, my computer is exactly the minimum specs. That means it is old and borderline useless.

    Is anyone else a little surprised that they put an emphasis as being able to play different characters but they don't appear to have any sort of co-op that I can find? I wonder if it's a not wanting to shift gameplay for balance or a technical issue. I imagine two people with flamethrowers running around might even press their fancy new engine.

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    in related news i tried to see if crysis would run on my laptop by clicking the "will this run on my pc" button on the crysis site

    and uh now my laptop keeps turning itself off when i turn it on

    shiiittttt

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  • RivulentRivulent Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I feel like a loner with all the hype on the internet about Far Cry 2, because I'm not particularly excited at all. Crysis was one of the most overrated games last year, an opinion shared by many of friends IRL (but a notion seemingly missing from forum discussion). My friend built a 10k system (he's a ridiculous person) around the time crysis came out. After bragging about how great it looked on his 30" dell widescreen (again, ridiculous) I came over to check it out one day to find even he could not run Crysis near full settings without getting 15 fps. After the discovery I've come to the conclusion it's not a playable engine. Maybe it will be better in Far Cry. Far Cry 1 sure did look great for it's time, and it was a lot more scalable than this new engine.

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Crysis was amazing

    the tank level looked absolutely gorgeous

    and the alien cave? Jesus christ - most amazing looking level in a video game ever?

    I thought the gameplay was super fun in Crysis. It was rather the story that was bringing the game down for me. Same in the original FarCry. It was cheezy and boring and meh.

    So yeah, if they can remedy that in FC2, I'll be all over it

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm going to have the best time when I finally build a new PC and get both Crysis and Far Cry 2 to play through.

    Next year.

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  • thejazzmanthejazzman Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    DO people think Crysis was overrated? I always got the impression, especially from these forums, that the general consensus was ''yeh yeh, generic nonsense and nobody can run it'' and there were a small bunch of people who championed it regardless.

    Your friend was not being especially clever with that system if he spent that much to get 15 FPS. He must have been running at some insanely needless resolution. If Far Cry 2 runs around the same as Crysis I'll be very pleased. I have a good system, 2 gig RAM 8800 GTX E6600 Core2, and I run it at 1680x1050 at about 30-40 FPS on highest settings, dipping if a particularly ridiculous explosion destroys a bunch of buildings at once or something. Oh and it's sickeningly beautiful to look at obviously, nothing comes close.

    Gameplay vids of this game look like it will contain the majority of the game-play elements I really enjoyed from Crysis, namely the 'there's a base a mile in the distance, go fuck it's shit up in a number of dynamic ways then reload and do it again differently for fun''.

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  • DeicistDeicist Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Rivulent wrote: »
    My friend built a 10k system (he's a ridiculous person) around the time crysis came out. After bragging about how great it looked on his 30" dell widescreen (again, ridiculous) I came over to check it out one day to find even he could not run Crysis near full settings without getting 15 fps. After the discovery I've come to the conclusion it's not a playable engine.

    You're either making this up, or your friend is an idiot.

    Crysis is perfectly playable on a reasonable spec gaming PC at decent resolutions / quality.

    Most of the hype about it being a system hog comes from the fact Crytek designed the game to be scalable well above what high end (when it was released) gaming rigs could manage to keep it looking good as new hardware became available.

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Crysis is a good looking game at Medium with a handful of settings at high running at 1920x1280. It was fun enough to play to completion, and as long as no enemies in Far Cry 2 are as obnoxious and unreactive to your movement/attacks as the bothersome aliens, I'll likely be more than happy with what they put out. Also zebras. I hope there are zebras.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Apparently you can go on safari if you wish, so that'll be cool.

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