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[CoH/CoV] i13 Live - Unemployment no longer at 100%

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    They'll be listening to constant bitching one way or the other Tach. That's what official boards are for.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Considering how many things are pushed out the door with half-assed/half-unfulfilled feature lists *cough*conan*cough*, I'm cool with them holding something out until it's done right.

    The level buddy thing sounds like it will be crazy-easy exploitation, though... especially for more... entreprenurial players.

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  • AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Multi-builds are hot, I've been talking about those since CoV first hit.

    These PvP balance excite me. I always felt the PvP areas were some of the most interesting zones in the game. Most of them have really good mechanics as well its just hte powers are so horribly unbalanced for PvP that it becomes frustrating. Damn, if PvP balance works out AND base raids get put back in along with IoPs...that would be amazing. Possibly amazing enough to pull me away from WAR for longer than a month.

    The buddy system will be great for the wife and I.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The architect was the one thing I was looking forward to. For me it's content first (by which I mean things I spend time playing) and features second (costumes, QOL, powersets that I'm not huge about). And right now the only "content" seems to be some new Cimerora arcs. I get the feeling if I resubbed I'd spend a week doing the new arcs then drop again, the features are nice but not so much to replay the old arcs for the 70th time.

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  • BitstreamBitstream Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Scooter wrote: »
    The architect was the one thing I was looking forward to. For me it's content first (by which I mean things I spend time playing) and features second (costumes, QOL, powersets that I'm not huge about). And right now the only "content" seems to be some new Cimerora arcs. I get the feeling if I resubbed I'd spend a week doing the new arcs then drop again, the features are nice but not so much to replay the old arcs for the 70th time.

    Completely agreed. I have to thank Cryptic for this move, as it makes me far less concerned about spending my time in WAR. CoX can wait until next year now.

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  • aunsophaunsoph Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Since we wouldn't be able to create our own contacts, since we wouldn't be able to have instances custom-built for us like the developers can, and not even cutscenes for that matter, it'd all come down to writing "engaging" clues, contact dialog and NPC one-liners.

    I don't know about you, but renaming that Death Mage to Archmage Zephyr or whatever and making him say: "<Player_Name>, you dare disrupt the Ritual of the West Wind? You will pay for this... with your life!" isn't exactly that exciting to me.

    With this delay, we get a better shot at creating memorable content. Not only can we customize existing villain groups here and there to create offshoots, (Like say, those Freaks merging with the Corallax.) but we'd be able to create fresh ones with new powers and costumes. With this added, the only things left to make this absolutely perfect would Cutscene Director and Instance Designer modes.

    (Also, yeah, I'm playing WAR and glad that now I can safely wait until next year to resub.)

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    aunsoph wrote: »
    Since we wouldn't be able to create our own contacts, since we wouldn't be able to have instances custom-built for us like the developers can, and not even cutscenes for that matter, it'd all come down to writing "engaging" clues, contact dialog and NPC one-liners.

    I don't know about you, but renaming that Death Mage to Archmage Zephyr or whatever and making him say: "<Player_Name>, you dare disrupt the Ritual of the West Wind? You will pay for this... with your life!" isn't exactly that exciting to me.

    With this delay, we get a better shot at creating memorable content. Not only can we customize existing villain groups here and there to create offshoots, (Like say, those Freaks merging with the Corallax.) but we'd be able to create fresh ones with new powers and costumes. With this added, the only things left to make this absolutely perfect would Cutscene Director and Instance Designer modes.

    (Also, yeah, I'm playing WAR and glad that now I can safely wait until next year to resub.)

    Haven't they said (repeatedly) that customization of NPCs will be cosmetic only?

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  • NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    kinda. they said it was something they'd look at, it was a bit much for now. But pushing it back, well we'll see what else they can shove in there.

    Also before anyone gets too excited, the xp pact thing also halves your xp gain. So if you're playing and your pact-buddy isn't, you'll get half xp, they'll get the other half. So if you're playing TOGETHER, you'll get full xpees.

    Also they're phasing out "base" salvage. Everything is going to be invention salvage now. They'll do something to let you trade in your base salvage, though.

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  • Gear GirlGear Girl More class than a state university Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The only thing I'm dissapointed about now is that some of my favorite veterans won't be back until January or February.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    While I want the mission creator, I applaud this move. The game was taking way too fucking long to get a new update. Feature creep and and an ever expanding time frame during which nothing new is added is bad for subscription numbers, which recently saw the first positive movement in over 12 months.

    Multi builds sounds awesome. For my defenders, it will be sweet to have a solo build that concentrates on offence and a team build with more team buffs like leadership going down.

    However, "PvE & PvP Powers rebalancing" is an alarming phrase. I trust Castle mostly, but if we see another game wide rebalancing, I'm going to be ill. Of course, I *already* cancelled my subscription because this issue was taking too long to come out.

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  • WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Honestly I kinda saw this coming. It's pretty much for the best, really.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Also, I like to think my complaining about how long it was taking anything new to be released in the form you get when you cancel your sub helped bring about this decision. :P

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  • HarshLanguageHarshLanguage Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I wonder how/if respecs will be changed to deal with multi-builds.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Enhancements would not be shared between the two builds.

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  • AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Corvus wrote: »
    Also, I like to think my complaining about how long it was taking anything new to be released in the form you get when you cancel your sub helped bring about this decision. :P

    I put that in my and Sonna's account cancels as well, actually. I'm sure many people who moved to WAR did the same. Speaking of which I came home and caught Sonna in the act of playing WAR without me! It was hot.

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  • PbPb Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    see317 wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Enhancements would not be shared between the two builds.
    Market asplodes

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Pb wrote: »
    see317 wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Enhancements would not be shared between the two builds.
    Market asplodes
    Time to start hoardin'.

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  • GhostalkerGhostalker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Hey Dys, what's with your whole bird thing?

    I never really got what that deal was about.

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  • CitrusCitrus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Issue 14: Architect to be released Winter of 2009. Issue 13 is now called “Issue 13: Power and Responsibility” and be launched in the Fall of 2008.

    An entire year?! They really don't want to keep people subscribed for a continuous amount of time. Most the people I know only drop in on Coh/v these days when there's a new issue. They should try releasing smaller more frequent updates that improve and add on to features overtime, instead of just a giant bulk of an update.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    see317 wrote: »
    Pb wrote: »
    see317 wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Enhancements would not be shared between the two builds.
    Market asplodes
    Time to keep hoardin'.

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  • HarshLanguageHarshLanguage Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Citrus wrote: »
    Issue 14: Architect to be released Winter of 2009. Issue 13 is now called “Issue 13: Power and Responsibility” and be launched in the Fall of 2008.
    An entire year?! They really don't want to keep people subscribed for a continuous amount of time. Most the people I know only drop in on Coh/v these days when there's a new issue. They should try releasing smaller more frequent updates that improve and add on to features overtime, instead of just a giant bulk of an update.

    Unless I'm reading it very wrong, Winter 09 is the first several months of 2009, not the last (which would be "Holiday 09" the way these things are usually said).

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  • CitrusCitrus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Oh yah, I guess that is more likely. :oops:

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  • MimasMimas Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    That was my first reaction too when I read Winter. I was relieved when I read Q1 2009 later on.

    Overall it sounds good, Id like something changed to ease up on slotting and respecing a second build, but I dont guess its a very big deal.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    see317 wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Enhancements would not be shared between the two builds.
    So, I guess multi-builds will be reserved for higher-level folks, people who can work the markets, or people who win costume contests, as those are the folks who can afford to maintain their enhancements twice over. I also imagine there will be a lot of influence put into the game via the day jobs. I wonder how the run on the money presses will inflate the markets. LOLeconomics.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ugh... patching is12 from retail takes forever... I probably could have downloaded it outside of client and installed it so much faster

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  • NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'd wait for see317 to cite a source outside of a dream he had this one time before getting all antsy.

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  • MimasMimas Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I dont think its a huge deal, but it would be nice to share enchancements. I can easily get by on regular IOs though.


    Heres the link I read it at

    MMORPG.com:
    With two separate builds, will you have to outfit both builds separately with Enhancements? Won’t this end up increasing your costs?

    Matt Miller:
    Yes & Yes. This feature has been heavily requested by our player base and we’re excited to be the first MMO to make this feature available. That said if you are worried about your Inf. being drained by this, the system, like many others we have added, is completely optional. If you have never found yourself asking for a different, situational build then you don’t need to worry about this feature at all.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2008
    I do not understand what this new change means

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  • Gear GirlGear Girl More class than a state university Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I do not understand what this new change means

    Which particular new change?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2008
    the multi build thing. I've only just started playing and I don't really understand what that means. I mean I haven't look it up or anything. Maybe I should.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2008
    oh right I get it now. so if I'm a super strength/dark guy I can have two different picks of the powers and switch between them at a trainer. It's like having two respecs handy. neat.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    GungHo wrote: »
    see317 wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Have they said if you can use the same enhancements between builds?
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Enhancements would not be shared between the two builds.
    So, I guess multi-builds will be reserved for higher-level folks, people who can work the markets, or people who win costume contests, as those are the folks who can afford to maintain their enhancements twice over. I also imagine there will be a lot of influence put into the game via the day jobs. I wonder how the run on the money presses will inflate the markets. LOLeconomics.

    SOs do fine and are easily affordable, basic IOs aren't much harder to get. High end IO sets, yea, but I gave up on doing a full high-end IO build on even one of my characters.

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  • Gear GirlGear Girl More class than a state university Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    oh right I get it now. so if I'm a super strength/dark guy I can have two different picks of the powers and switch between them at a trainer. It's like having two respecs handy. neat.

    Ya so you could have solo/team builds or pvp/pve builds or damage/support builds ect.

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  • NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Oh goddammit I worked so hard to purple him out once!

    FUCK YOU POSITRON.

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  • HarshLanguageHarshLanguage Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The more I think about it, the more "niche" the multi-build feature seems. I just can't see much use for it for the majority of PvE players, since most folks end up with most of their primary and secondary set powers anyway, and the pools don't change the nature of builds that much. Slotting is pretty straightforward too, unless/until we get a much wider selection of IO sets with differing bonuses.

    Also, claiming to be the first MMO with a multi-build feature is just totally factually incorrect. Guild Wars has been inherently multi-build since day 1, FFXI has always allowed job changes, and EQ2 has had an easy way to swap builds for a year. But WoW doesn't have it, so I guess that's what counts. :|

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The more I think about it, the more "niche" the multi-build feature seems. I just can't see much use for it for the majority of PvE players, since most folks end up with most of their primary and secondary set powers anyway, and the pools don't change the nature of builds that much. Slotting is pretty straightforward too, unless/until we get a much wider selection of IO sets with differing bonuses.

    Also, claiming to be the first MMO with a multi-build feature is just totally factually incorrect. Guild Wars has been inherently multi-build since day 1, FFXI has always allowed job changes, and EQ2 has had an easy way to swap builds for a year. But WoW doesn't have it, so I guess that's what counts. :|

    I dunno, having two builds on a character at a given time and being able to respec are kind of different.

    Lots of people argue that Guild Wars isn't even an MMO, FFXI as I understand has entirely different classes which is not the same as having two builds on-hand for the same class at the same time. I dunno about EQ2, though.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    They need to allow some kind of personal enhancement storage now. Having to deal with that many slots over time without a way to protect your investment would suck. Not to say that any SG mates would snatch up your goods. I just want something that only allows me to store and catalogue my own enhancements.

    Also what happened to The City Vault? That was promised way back and has yet to be delivered.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Ghostalker wrote: »
    Hey Dys, what's with your whole bird thing?

    I never really got what that deal was about.

    Nothing really. Its just a random name I chose when I wanted to stop being a numbername.

    Edit: Corvus is the name of the genus including Ravens, Crows, etc. I'm probably stating the totally obvious, but there we are.

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  • GhostalkerGhostalker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Corvus wrote: »
    Ghostalker wrote: »
    Hey Dys, what's with your whole bird thing?

    I never really got what that deal was about.

    Nothing really. Its just a random name I chose when I wanted to stop being a numbername.

    Edit: Corvus is the name of the genus including Ravens, Crows, etc. I'm probably stating the totally obvious, but there we are.

    That is a terrible origin story.

    I was hoping it was something more along the lines of having a murder of crows living in your home.

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