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Fundies Looking To Ban Book About Book-Burning, Irony Found Dead In Pool

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
(I redid the OP so that we can actually discuss this.)

So, the fuckwit moral guardians are on the rampage again. This time, their target is Ray Bradbury's classic polemic against censorship, Fahrenheit 451.

When the girl who started the charge to ban the book was asked why, her response was that she found objectionable the cussing and that the Bible was being burned. In other words, the book pretty much went over her head. Luckily, her fellow classmates aren't nearly as stupid, and are showing support for one of the major works of modern fiction. Unluckily, her father is pushing on the ban.

And people wonder why we think the Religious Right have their heads up their asses.

Edit: Oh, did I mention that the assignment was given during National Banned Book Week?

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Eh, irony aside attempts to ban F451 are pretty old. That particular link is from 2006.

    EDIT: There are some people who will try to ban anything that's not "the bible."

    Also, there are people who will try to ban the bible.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The great thing is that they actually did go through page by page to make a list of "complaints" and yet they still didn't realize that the book was defending the right of christianity to exist and the value of the Bible.


    Genius.

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    edited August 2008
    lolfundies

    Fahrenheit 451 ends up a target for "banning" every few years at one school or another.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The great thing is that they actually did go through page by page to make a list of "complaints" and yet they still didn't realize that the book was defending the right of christianity to exist and the value of the Bible.


    Genius.

    Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

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  • lunchbox12682lunchbox12682 MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    OK, I don't watch network local news anymore (for good reason it seems), but this was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Both the complainers and the newscasters are so full of fail, it made me cry a bit.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The great thing is that they actually did go through page by page to make a list of "complaints" and yet they still didn't realize that the book was defending the right of christianity to exist and the value of the Bible.


    Genius.

    ctrl+f

    "god"
    "bible"
    "fuck"
    "Damn"
    "bitch"
    "Christian"

    oh my giddy aunt I'm outraged

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    'Verm'

    My god that's hilarious.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Feral wrote: »
    lolfundies

    Fahrenheit 451 ends up a target for "banning" every few years at one school or another.

    Yep. It's too bad that most English classes don't spend the banned book day to actually discuss the philosophical underpinnings of freedom of expression and to foster the understanding that all books have at one point or another been deemed objectionable and attempts were made to ban them. Including the Bible to try and pierce the lolfundies brain.

    It's also too bad that complaints get lodged against good books that are controversial which kids have to read, but absolute shit like Atlas Shrugged and To Kill a Mockingbird get forced on kids without a peep of protest. It's amazing that I still enjoy a good book after all the crap that English teachers thought were literary masterpieces. Thank god for the library and my mom/grandpa.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Eh, irony aside attempts to ban F451 are pretty old. That particular link is from 2006.

    EDIT: There are some people who will try to ban anything that's not "the bible."

    Also, there are people who will try to ban the bible.

    Me. :P

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pretty much lolfundies, like Feral said.

    Sorry if you're a fundie, please tell other fundies to stop being painfully dumb.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Also, the dude's name is Alton Verm. I'd be angry at the world too.

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Fundamentalists are morons? I'm shocked.

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I wish so hard I could have seen the look on the girl's face if the reporter had asked,

    "You do realize that this book is defending Christianity, the Bible and free speech, right?"

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  • Randall_FlaggRandall_Flagg Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    lolfundies

    Fahrenheit 451 ends up a target for "banning" every few years at one school or another.

    Yep. It's too bad that most English classes don't spend the banned book day to actually discuss the philosophical underpinnings of freedom of expression and to foster the understanding that all books have at one point or another been deemed objectionable and attempts were made to ban them. Including the Bible to try and pierce the lolfundies brain.

    It's also too bad that complaints get lodged against good books that are controversial which kids have to read, but absolute shit like Atlas Shrugged and To Kill a Mockingbird get forced on kids without a peep of protest. It's amazing that I still enjoy a good book after all the crap that English teachers thought were literary masterpieces. Thank god for the library and my mom/grandpa.

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book though

    and I don't know any credible English teacher who would call Atlas Shrugged a classic; the clerisy seem to bear Ayn Rand little love

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    I can't even call this girl an idiot. I can't even come up with a word that accurately describes how I feel about this girl. Instead, I'll just post the theasuarus for "idiot"

    ament, blockhead, bonehead, booby, cretin, dimwit, dolt, dope, dork, dullard, dunce, fathead, fool, imbecile, jerk, moron, nitwit, simpleton, stupid, twit

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I can't even call this girl an idiot. I can't even come up with a word that accurately describes how I feel about this girl. Instead, I'll just post the theasuarus for "idiot"

    ament, blockhead, bonehead, booby, cretin, dimwit, dolt, dope, dork, dullard, dunce, fathead, fool, imbecile, jerk, moron, nitwit, simpleton, stupid, twit
    That one seems to cover the whole of it.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    lolfundies

    Fahrenheit 451 ends up a target for "banning" every few years at one school or another.

    Yep. It's too bad that most English classes don't spend the banned book day to actually discuss the philosophical underpinnings of freedom of expression and to foster the understanding that all books have at one point or another been deemed objectionable and attempts were made to ban them. Including the Bible to try and pierce the lolfundies brain.

    It's also too bad that complaints get lodged against good books that are controversial which kids have to read, but absolute shit like Atlas Shrugged and To Kill a Mockingbird get forced on kids without a peep of protest. It's amazing that I still enjoy a good book after all the crap that English teachers thought were literary masterpieces. Thank god for the library and my mom/grandpa.

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book though

    and I don't know any credible English teacher who would call Atlas Shrugged a classic; the clerisy seem to bear Ayn Rand little love

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book with a horrible book taking up the first half of it.

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I can't even call this girl an idiot. I can't even come up with a word that accurately describes how I feel about this girl. Instead, I'll just post the theasuarus for "idiot"

    ament, blockhead, bonehead, booby, cretin, dimwit, dolt, dope, dork, dullard, dunce, fathead, fool, imbecile, jerk, moron, nitwit, simpleton, stupid, twit
    That one seems to cover the whole of it.

    I would have gone for:

    inanimate, insensate, insentient, defunct, lifeless

    But maybe I'm overly critical.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    lolfundies

    Fahrenheit 451 ends up a target for "banning" every few years at one school or another.

    Yep. It's too bad that most English classes don't spend the banned book day to actually discuss the philosophical underpinnings of freedom of expression and to foster the understanding that all books have at one point or another been deemed objectionable and attempts were made to ban them. Including the Bible to try and pierce the lolfundies brain.

    It's also too bad that complaints get lodged against good books that are controversial which kids have to read, but absolute shit like Atlas Shrugged and To Kill a Mockingbird get forced on kids without a peep of protest. It's amazing that I still enjoy a good book after all the crap that English teachers thought were literary masterpieces. Thank god for the library and my mom/grandpa.

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book though

    and I don't know any credible English teacher who would call Atlas Shrugged a classic; the clerisy seem to bear Ayn Rand little love

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book with a horrible book taking up the first half of it.
    Still, comparing it to Atlas Shrugged?

    Come on.

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Personally I think Angel needs a new shtick.

    Lolfundies is pretty stale by now.

    Duki on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    Fundamentalists are morons? I'm shocked.

    lolfundies lolfundies.

    Do fundies struggle with rational thought at all times? If you were in a position of power, would you deny a fundie employment? Do fundies have any good qualities?

    Slurs are naughty.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    lolfundies

    Fahrenheit 451 ends up a target for "banning" every few years at one school or another.

    Yep. It's too bad that most English classes don't spend the banned book day to actually discuss the philosophical underpinnings of freedom of expression and to foster the understanding that all books have at one point or another been deemed objectionable and attempts were made to ban them. Including the Bible to try and pierce the lolfundies brain.

    It's also too bad that complaints get lodged against good books that are controversial which kids have to read, but absolute shit like Atlas Shrugged and To Kill a Mockingbird get forced on kids without a peep of protest. It's amazing that I still enjoy a good book after all the crap that English teachers thought were literary masterpieces. Thank god for the library and my mom/grandpa.

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book though

    and I don't know any credible English teacher who would call Atlas Shrugged a classic; the clerisy seem to bear Ayn Rand little love

    To Kill a Mockingbird is a pretty good book with a horrible book taking up the first half of it.
    Still, comparing it to Atlas Shrugged?

    Come on.

    They're two of the books that I had to read in HS and which I absolutely loathed. You can throw Gatsby in there as well if you'd like. Thankfully they weren't back to back to back and I had some reprieves with Of Mice and Men, Animal Farm and 1984, and, yes, Fahrenheit 451. On top of some other chaff that was just meh.

    ...damnit Lennie, why'd you have to go and...he....you :cry:

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    The funniest thing about the video is that gentle haze of ignorance you can see over the girl's face. I'd like to throw a rock at her and see if she dodges.

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  • AroducAroduc regular
    edited August 2008
    The use of words expressing something other than their literal inten-tion.

    Now that!

    Is!

    Irony!

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »

    They're two of the books that I had to read in HS and which I absolutely loathed. You can throw Gatsby in there as well if you'd like. Thankfully they weren't back to back to back and I had some reprieves with Of Mice and Men, Animal Farm and 1984, and, yes, Fahrenheit 451. On top of some other chaff that was just meh.

    ...damnit Lennie, why'd you have to go and...he....you :cry:

    It's actually pretty rare for schools to assign Atlas Shrugged, except perhaps to get kids to write essays for the Ayn Rand Foundation essay contest for the sake of college money. The book is universally panned by the hoity-toity literary types who decide on school curricula.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hachface wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »

    They're two of the books that I had to read in HS and which I absolutely loathed. You can throw Gatsby in there as well if you'd like. Thankfully they weren't back to back to back and I had some reprieves with Of Mice and Men, Animal Farm and 1984, and, yes, Fahrenheit 451. On top of some other chaff that was just meh.

    ...damnit Lennie, why'd you have to go and...he....you :cry:

    It's actually pretty rare for schools to assign Atlas Shrugged, except perhaps to get kids to write essays for the Ayn Rand Foundation essay contest for the sake of college money. The book is universally panned by the hoity-toity literary types who decide on school curricula.

    Well, my school just sucks then. Or I had horrible luck with English teachers. Actually, it's probably the latter. My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »

    They're two of the books that I had to read in HS and which I absolutely loathed. You can throw Gatsby in there as well if you'd like. Thankfully they weren't back to back to back and I had some reprieves with Of Mice and Men, Animal Farm and 1984, and, yes, Fahrenheit 451. On top of some other chaff that was just meh.

    ...damnit Lennie, why'd you have to go and...he....you :cry:

    It's actually pretty rare for schools to assign Atlas Shrugged, except perhaps to get kids to write essays for the Ayn Rand Foundation essay contest for the sake of college money. The book is universally panned by the hoity-toity literary types who decide on school curricula.

    Well, my school just sucks then. Or I had horrible luck with English teachers. Actually, it's probably the latter. My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Like in WWII, bands of female Russian soldiers went around raping German men as revenge during the Soviet advance.

    Not like pretty ballerina Russians, but like shotputters and discus throwers.

    D:

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Soo....he had no fear of dropping the soap in a prison shower?

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    He was obviously so straight the possibility didn't occur to him



    a true hero :(

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    emnmnme wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Soo....he had no fear of dropping the soap in a prison shower?

    We have a forumer here who doesn't believe women can be raped for this reason, or, at least believes that a woman can't be injured/hurt physically by rape.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    emnmnme wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Soo....he had no fear of dropping the soap in a prison shower?

    Nobody really broached the topic. Either out of the sheer insanity of it, or because he's a teacher and it's easier to ignore the crazy and try to get a good grade. I spent most of that class in the back reading old sci-fi books hidden in the textbook. My AP physics prof that year was pure awesome, though. We made hovercrafts one week, just for fun. So things balance out, I guess.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »

    They're two of the books that I had to read in HS and which I absolutely loathed. You can throw Gatsby in there as well if you'd like. Thankfully they weren't back to back to back and I had some reprieves with Of Mice and Men, Animal Farm and 1984, and, yes, Fahrenheit 451. On top of some other chaff that was just meh.

    ...damnit Lennie, why'd you have to go and...he....you :cry:

    It's actually pretty rare for schools to assign Atlas Shrugged, except perhaps to get kids to write essays for the Ayn Rand Foundation essay contest for the sake of college money. The book is universally panned by the hoity-toity literary types who decide on school curricula.

    Well, my school just sucks then. Or I had horrible luck with English teachers. Actually, it's probably the latter. My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Where's that person who had a gif about ege02's posts about an "unreasonable amount of controversy"?

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    jeepguy wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Soo....he had no fear of dropping the soap in a prison shower?

    We have a forumer here who doesn't believe women can be raped for this reason, or, at least believes that a woman can't be injured/hurt physically by rape.
    Dammit Jeeps, making fun of ege is my schtick!

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    My first semester, Senior year, was taught by a guy who didn't believe it possible for a man to get raped because sex is enjoyable.

    Yeah.

    Soo....he had no fear of dropping the soap in a prison shower?

    We have a forumer here who doesn't believe women can be raped for this reason, or, at least believes that a woman can't be injured/hurt physically by rape.
    Dammit Jeeps, making fun of ege is my schtick!

    eh... that dude took it back.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    We're getting kinda far afield here...and it's mostly my fault. So...yeah, less rape more discussion of book bannings and the lack of consistently good literature as required reading in Englilish classrooms.

    Personally I think there should be a list of books with a real quick synopsis that teachers go over with the kids at the start of the year to choose which ones they're going to read that year/semester. You might get lolfundies making an end run to ensure that certain books get continually ignored, but at least you'll likely be reading some quality shit that will help foster a love of reading in kids before they create negative associations with books. I actually cried at the end of Of Mice and Men. Hell, even now I'm getting all misty eyed just thinking about it. More of that level of quality in the classroom, please.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    More of that level of quality in the classroom, please.

    This right here. Of all the books for them to try and get rid of, eh? This book is riveting. Writen like a modern day movie in some respects. Fast paced, exciting, very engaging writing style. It just sucks you right in.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    We're getting kinda far afield here...and it's mostly my fault. So...yeah, less rape more discussion of book bannings and the lack of consistently good literature as required reading in Englilish classrooms.

    Personally I think there should be a list of books with a real quick synopsis that teachers go over with the kids at the start of the year to choose which ones they're going to read that year/semester. You might get lolfundies making an end run to ensure that certain books get continually ignored, but at least you'll likely be reading some quality shit that will help foster a love of reading in kids before they create negative associations with books. I actually cried at the end of Of Mice and Men. Hell, even now I'm getting all misty eyed just thinking about it. More of that level of quality in the classroom, please.

    I don't think Of Mice and Men will fly to far these days. I'm reading now (8-week accelerated Lit course for college) and the way that the N-word gets thrown around in certain spots so casually.... granted the book was written in the 30s and it was a WAY different time then.

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  • AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Okay, so this seems like a nice thread for this.

    Does anyone else find destroying books, any book whatsoever, to be really inherently reprehensible? Like even if it's some mass-market airport paperback that's gonna be thrown out by the crate anyway, damaging it just feels wrong.

    Maybe that's just my intellectual upbringing going all crazy?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Adrien wrote: »
    Okay, so this seems like a nice thread for this.

    Does anyone else find destroying books, any book whatsoever, to be really inherently reprehensible? Like even if it's some mass-market airport paperback that's gonna be thrown out by the crate anyway, damaging it just feels wrong.

    Maybe that's just my intellectual upbringing going all crazy?

    I'm the same. Hell, I can't even bring myself to write anything in the margins.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Adrien wrote: »
    Okay, so this seems like a nice thread for this.

    Does anyone else find destroying books, any book whatsoever, to be really inherently reprehensible? Like even if it's some mass-market airport paperback that's gonna be thrown out by the crate anyway, damaging it just feels wrong.

    Maybe that's just my intellectual upbringing going all crazy?

    I'm the same. Hell, I can't even bring myself to write anything in the margins.
    I have the worst time throwing books out. Even terrible books. I hardly have any room

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