The Young Justice was Better Thread

Fencingsax

There's also the fact that while the focus is now on Supergirl/Wondergirl, they haven't actually been even adequately written in what seems to be a very long time(including the damn mini). Also, the current arc is kind of aggravating, because the Tomorrow Titans also mostly piss me off, especially since they are all basically being written as idiots as well.

Garlic Bread

Bad Karma wrote: »

You know, this goes for Wonder Woman too, after seeing the Amazon armor Pete Woods designed for Amazons Attack, I'd love to see Wonder Girl in something similar. Kind of like the armor Herc gave her in issue #2 of her mini (from the waist up at least)

I do like the armor, but I like it as a special occasion thing. It's too "warrior" for such "public eye" heroes.

Bad Karma

But look how cool the shoulder pads could look.

Garlic Bread

those shoulder pads look retarded

they protect her shoulder but oh look there's still copious amounts of open areas to attack

at least she won't get her arms chopped off

Bad Karma

Anything is better than a fucking tank top with "breast armor" silkscreened onto it.

Garlic Bread

well yeah

I think there's actually breast armor on it, though

Sars_Boy

Titans has been so bad recently guys.

Fuck that whole Supergirl and Cassie are best friends thing.

I hate DC for that. It'd be awesome to have an issue where Cassie finds an old cell phone or something and it's all messages from Cisse like

"Why haven't you called in a while? Want to talk soon! Luv Cis"

"Oh my god Connor. I'm so sorry Cassie"

"Why haven't you responded to me? I knew connor too, we need to talk"

"God fuck you, you stupid idiotic cunt"

Sars_Boy

Oh but Miss Martian is pretty great.

Bad Karma

She should keep her future selfs outfit after the arc is over.

Garlic Bread

Cissie and Anita were in Wonder Girl #2

for like four panels

and looking pretty weird

(although that could just be because the art in Wonder Girl is fucking balls)

Garlic Bread

Bad Karma wrote: »

She should keep her future selfs outfit after the arc is over.

I hate the "upside-down tiara" so fucking much

it makes her look like a retard

Fencingsax

Keith wrote: »

Cissie and Anita were in Wonder Girl #2

for like four panels

and looking pretty weird

(although that could just be because the art in Wonder Girl is fucking balls)

The writing, too.

Bad Karma

Keith wrote: »

Bad Karma wrote: »

She should keep her future selfs outfit after the arc is over.

I hate the "upside-down tiara" so fucking much

it makes her look like a retard

Yeah thats what it does.

Sars_Boy

Keith wrote: »

Cissie and Anita were in Wonder Girl #2

for like four panels

and looking pretty weird

(although that could just be because the art in Wonder Girl is fucking balls)

seriously?

fuck

any scans?

Garlic Bread

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4199349.html#cutid1

scratch that, three panels

Bad Karma

And what an amqzing cameo it was!!11

Nothing to run out and buy it for if you aren't already.

Garlic Bread

god the art is retarded

Bad Karma

I like the book so far, but I'm getting sick of Cassie.

Sars_Boy

oh

well that' just dandy

I was hoping for more of a useful role

god I wish I could go back in time and write Teen titans post crisis for like one issue

just an issue where you have all the YJ members grieving for Connor

since you know they were his friends

Fencingsax

Another problem is that I didn't like Titans Tomorrow the first time, and it disturbs me that basically nothing has changed, even armed with knowledge of a grimmer future. Of course, it's not like anyone did anything in particular to stop it.

Garlic Bread

oh hey i GIS wonder girl and get some nice Mary Marvel, Super Girl, and Wonder Girl porn on the first page

impressive

Sars_Boy

I thought the first arc was really cool.

And this was when I was in still in my "FUCK GEOFF JOHNS THAT YJ RUINING MOTHERFUCKER" phase.

after SCW and Booster Gold though, mr. Johns is alright by me

Garlic Bread

I got so into this "Wonder Girl's costume" discussion that I e-mailed my good friend Alex Ross and asked him to design a new one for her. Wow, he was quick with a response! I figured someone of his talent would take a lot longer.

Alex Ross wrote:

Dear Keith,

Thanks for the e-mail. How is your beagle doing? I'm thinking of getting one soon. As for your request for a redesign of the current Wonder Girl's costume, it's something I've been playing around with in my head for a while. Coincidentally, I just settled on a design earlier this week! I was aiming for something iconic, something that sums up the character. I think I came up with the perfect design. What do you think?

Attached: wondergirlfinal.jpg

I think it's amazing and original, Alex!

(i totally greg land'd that pose from a mannequin)

Bad Karma

I just hope ol Judd doesn't completely ruin Titans East (well, 'Titans' after the one shot). I mean, these are adults now so he can get away with a lot more than just aids.

Like...cyber aids. Cyborg gets cyber aids.

Darth Nat

Regarding how the team doesn't 'flow' anymore, I think a lot of the characters have actually grown on me. I like Ravager a lot, even though I know she gets a lot of flak for being the loose bad girl character. And on a team where almost everyone else is kind of a goody-two-shoes, I think she's sort of necessary. I think the way she interacts with Kid Devil is also fun.

And Miss Martian... what needs to be said about her? She's adorable and fun and I like her.

I will agree that I don't really like the focus on Tim and Cassie. I especially don't like the focus on their relationship, since it doesn't seem like much of a relationship to begin with.

I worry that whenever they come out with that book that's supposed to be comprised of a lot of the old New Teen Titans, it's going to kill this book. I like that they're using a new team instead of just riding the coattails of New Teen Titans' renewed popularity from the cartoon.

Fencingsax

Darth Nat wrote: »

Regarding how the team doesn't 'flow' anymore, I think a lot of the characters have actually grown on me. I like Ravager a lot, even though I know she gets a lot of flak for being the loose bad girl character. And on a team where almost everyone else is kind of a goody-two-shoes, I think she's sort of necessary. I think the way she interacts with Kid Devil is also fun.

And Miss Martian... what needs to be said about her? She's adorable and fun and I like her.

I will agree that I don't really like the focus on Tim and Cassie. I especially don't like the focus on their relationship, since it doesn't seem like much of a relationship to begin with.

I worry that whenever they come out with that book that's supposed to be comprised of a lot of the old New Teen Titans, it's going to kill this book. I like that they're using a new team instead of just riding the coattails of New Teen Titans' renewed popularity from the cartoon.

Essentially, the strongest characters are the newer ones.(sans Supergirl, of course)

Bad Karma

Darth Nat wrote: »

I worry that whenever they come out with that book that's supposed to be comprised of a lot of the old New Teen Titans, it's going to kill this book.

Titans was supposed to start in December, but alas, we've got January solicits and there's nothing yet.

And Titans will not kill Teen Titans. Unless Winick shocks everyone with an incredible story, which, let's face it, has a low chance of happening (though I do believe it's possible), it'll just carry on from what he did with The Outsiders. Generally lackluster with lots of unnecessary fucking.

Garlic Bread

Darth Nat wrote: »

I like that they're using a new team instead of just riding the coattails of New Teen Titans' renewed popularity from the cartoon.

Uh

that's why there is a Teen Titans book now instead of Young Justice

because of the cartoon.

Garlic Bread

Darth Nat wrote: »

Regarding how the team doesn't 'flow' anymore, I think a lot of the characters have actually grown on me. I like Ravager a lot, even though I know she gets a lot of flak for being the loose bad girl character. And on a team where almost everyone else is kind of a goody-two-shoes, I think she's sort of necessary. I think the way she interacts with Kid Devil is also fun.

It's not that I don't enjoy the new characters, because they're awesome, really. It's that they're in the background while the popular characters (Robin, Wonder Girl, Supergirl) are the main focus. I like when team books focus on the lesser-known characters, especially when the popular ones have their own books.

Plus, all of the Titans from John's run are all knock-offs of adult heroes. That can be neat sometimes, but not when there's not a single unique character.

Sentry

Keith wrote: »

Darth Nat wrote: »

Regarding how the team doesn't 'flow' anymore, I think a lot of the characters have actually grown on me. I like Ravager a lot, even though I know she gets a lot of flak for being the loose bad girl character. And on a team where almost everyone else is kind of a goody-two-shoes, I think she's sort of necessary. I think the way she interacts with Kid Devil is also fun.

It's not that I don't enjoy the new characters, because they're awesome, really. It's that they're in the background while the popular characters (Robin, Wonder Girl, Supergirl) are the main focus. I like when team books focus on the lesser-known characters, especially when the popular ones have their own books.

Plus, all of the Titans from John's run are all knock-offs of adult heroes. That can be neat sometimes, but not when there's not a single unique character.

Hmm... I haven't really noticed Supergirl as a focus. Actually, I barely notice her at all on the team. I think that Robin and Cassie are the focus just because of some unresolved issues... but the moment Ravager and Eddie do it, I think the focus may change a bit.

Whatever happened to those weird twins who were taking care of the tower? Did they die and I missed it?

Fencingsax

Sentry wrote: »

Keith wrote: »

Darth Nat wrote: »

Regarding how the team doesn't 'flow' anymore, I think a lot of the characters have actually grown on me. I like Ravager a lot, even though I know she gets a lot of flak for being the loose bad girl character. And on a team where almost everyone else is kind of a goody-two-shoes, I think she's sort of necessary. I think the way she interacts with Kid Devil is also fun.

It's not that I don't enjoy the new characters, because they're awesome, really. It's that they're in the background while the popular characters (Robin, Wonder Girl, Supergirl) are the main focus. I like when team books focus on the lesser-known characters, especially when the popular ones have their own books.

Plus, all of the Titans from John's run are all knock-offs of adult heroes. That can be neat sometimes, but not when there's not a single unique character.

Hmm... I haven't really noticed Supergirl as a focus. Actually, I barely notice her at all on the team. I think that Robin and Cassie are the focus just because of some unresolved issues... but the moment Ravager and Eddie do it, I think the focus may change a bit.

Whatever happened to those weird twins who were taking care of the tower? Did they die and I missed it?

It was a throwaway reference to Superfriends. I don't know if anyone will actually run with it.

Bad Karma

Sentry wrote: »

Whatever happened to those weird twins who were taking care of the tower? Did they die and I missed it?

Wnedy and Marvin?

They where last seen trapped against a wall via a few barbells.

Garlic Bread

Yeah, that was the first time they showed up since the immediate OYL issue(s?)

I was just thinking that myself

edit: It probably has to do with the Titans rarely ever being at Titans Tower these days

Sentry

Keith wrote: »

Yeah, that was the first time they showed up since the immediate OYL issue(s?)

I was just thinking that myself

edit: It probably has to do with the Titans rarely ever being at Titans Tower these days

Sadness. Regardless, I actually really liked the Titan's Tomorrow story line... I thought it was done well and at least SLIGHTLY plausable. I mean, they kept alluding to how "dark" the world got after the Crisis, and how they had to change... so I was like, well, if it's that bad, it makes sense.

Then the crisis happened and I was like... hmm... that really wasn't that bad. I mean, maybe it explains Conner a bit... but Tim? Not so much. Still, I'm willing to give it a chance, since it's Teen Titans and I'm not about to stop buying it...

Hooraydiation

I'm tired of dark, dystopian futures where standard super-heroics escalate to full scale wars. I'd rather have seen examples of how the Titans would look if some of them chose to maintain their private identities, or even dedicate themselves to them full-time. Even Superman wanted a career, so why not the rest of them?

Instead we get kids who've lost half of their identities and, as was said before, become idiots. I mean, no reasonable person wants to live in a police state.

Bad Karma

Well, I might be the minority here, but I'd rather read about someone fighting to change their future so it's not so dark and dystopian, rather than read a story about Tim Drake working on the Pensky file while Cassandra Sandsmark wonders if she should go with the store brand olives, or splurge and buy the name brand...just this once.

Garlic Bread

It's always "the future sucks, change it"

I want to see "hey you're on the right path, keep it up"

Bad Karma

Haven't you ever seen the Terminator? Alien? Aliens? The future always sucks.

Has Hollywood taught you nothing?

Hooraydiation

Well, I might be the minority here, but I'd rather read about someone fighting to change their future so it's not so dark and dystopian, rather than read a story about Tim Drake working on the Pensky file while Cassandra Sandsmark wonders if she should go with the store brand olives, or splurge and buy the name brand...just this once.

That's like saying you don't want to see the cast acting like normal kids because you think watching someone popping their zits and doing math homework is boring. Meanwhile, didn't we like Young Justice because it balanced their civilian lives and interpersonal relationships with standard superheroics? That's right, you can write about normal lives without focusing on the mundane.

And if the best future you can imagine for someone like Tim Drake, a kid who has the resources and natural ability to excel at anything (except tennis) is a normal 9 to 5, then that's a failure of your imagination rather than proof that the concept itself is flawed. Tim's desire to be something other than Batman has been evident for a while now, and personally I'd much rather see what the natural conclusion of that is (a unique superhero identity, humanitarian work, becoming head of a civilian crime-fighting organization, politics, developing a personal life in response to Bruce neglecting his own) than be subjected to the idea that Tim is so tied to the path of Batman that he has to resort to shooting himself in the head just to dislodge himself from it.

Bad Karma

Hooraydiation wrote: »

Well, I might be the minority here, but I'd rather read about someone fighting to change their future so it's not so dark and dystopian, rather than read a story about Tim Drake working on the Pensky file while Cassandra Sandsmark wonders if she should go with the store brand olives, or splurge and buy the name brand...just this once.

That's like saying you don't want to see the cast acting like normal kids because you think watching someone popping their zits and doing math homework is boring. Meanwhile, didn't we like Young Justice because it balanced their civilian lives and interpersonal relationships with standard superheroics? That's right, you can write about normal lives without focusing on the mundane.

And if the best future you can imagine for someone like Tim Drake, a kid who has the resources and natural ability to excel at anything (except tennis) is a normal 9 to 5, then that's a failure of your imagination rather than proof that the concept itself is flawed.

See that...there goes the joke.

I understand what you meant.