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Seriously, this decision is really good news on two fronts. One, it clarifies that employers asking for releases from legal liability can only ask for release from liability not incurred on their sayso. This should help make these releases easier. Two, they struck down noncompetes completely, stating that they are an unlawful restriction on the ability of a person to practice their profession, no matter how tightly scoped. (Up till now, they were legal as long as they were limited in scope.)
Silicon Valley must be shitting themselves over this.
Two, they struck down noncompetes completely, stating that they are an unlawful restriction on the ability of a person to practice their profession, no matter how tightly scoped. (Up till now, they were legal as long as they were limited in scope.)
Silicon Valley must be shitting themselves over this.
That is pretty huge, yeah.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Two, they struck down noncompetes completely, stating that they are an unlawful restriction on the ability of a person to practice their profession, no matter how tightly scoped. (Up till now, they were legal as long as they were limited in scope.)
Silicon Valley must be shitting themselves over this.
That is pretty huge, yeah.
And it's about time. Companies are going to have to rethink how they're going to keep employees, now that they can't deny them the ability to go work somewhere else.
Silicon Valley must be shitting themselves over this.
The ostensible reason my old boss gave me (I had one for my last job) was that it keeps employees from, say, using work from their current job in their next job, or - what seems to me a legitimate concern, given the industry - taking work performed on the clock at one job and running off to start your own company with it. The intent wasn't usually to keep an employee from changing jobs so much as to keep the employee honest.
That said, the potential for abuse was obviously huge, and I'd much rather err on the side of protecting employees than employers.
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Silicon Valley must be shitting themselves over this.
The ostensible reason my old boss gave me (I had one for my last job) was that it keeps employees from, say, using work from their current job in their next job, or - what seems to me a legitimate concern, given the industry - taking work performed on the clock at one job and running off to start your own company with it. The intent wasn't usually to keep an employee from changing jobs so much as to keep the employee honest.
Which was patent bullshit, Jeffe - that's what NDAs are for. Non-competes were measures to keep employees tethered to an employer. Now these companies that relied on them are going to need to figure out how to retain employees the old fashioned way.
Silicon Valley must be shitting themselves over this.
The ostensible reason my old boss gave me (I had one for my last job) was that it keeps employees from, say, using work from their current job in their next job, or - what seems to me a legitimate concern, given the industry - taking work performed on the clock at one job and running off to start your own company with it. The intent wasn't usually to keep an employee from changing jobs so much as to keep the employee honest.
That said, the potential for abuse was obviously huge, and I'd much rather err on the side of protecting employees than employers.
Which I would be much more concerned about if there wasn't already covered by civil litigation. I'm pretty much willing to guarantee you no reputable meeting will let a pitch finish without confirming that absolutely no work intellectual or actual work was done while anyone involved with the company was being paid by someone else. Even if some unscrupulous employee managed to get funding anyway, a real company can bury a start up on an easily litigated issue like that.
Meh, like I said, this was the excuse my boss - an employer, obviously - gave. I tend to think that the reason they came into existence was more complicated than "we don't ever want our employees to be able to leave us, mwahaha", though I fully agree that they're horrible, horrible laws.
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Fair enough. Hell, he might actually, honestly, believe that. I was just putting it out there that it's nothing that needs to be worried about (if it was true, then this could potentially be a really bad thing)
Would this cover noncompetition clauses that only have effect during the duration of employment?
Example: I hire a Microsoft server engineer to help out with my IT consulting firm. I make him sign a noncompetition clause because if he's meeting people who have IT needs, I don't want him saying, "Well, my company charges $150 an hour, but if you want, I'll do it on weekends for $50 an hour instead."
Because we used to make our engineers and techs sign agreements to that effect when I was still in the consulting business.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Would this cover noncompetition clauses that only have effect during the duration of employment?
Example: I hire a Microsoft server engineer to help out with my IT consulting firm. I make him sign a noncompetition clause because if he's meeting people who have IT needs, I don't want him saying, "Well, my company charges $150 an hour, but if you want, I'll do it on weekends for $50 an hour instead."
Because we used to make our engineers and techs sign agreements to that effect when I was still in the consulting business.
That would better fall under the scope of an NDA, I would think (treat your prices as trade secrets.)
I'm guessing that not trying to steal customers from the company you work for would fall under one of the narrow situations that noncompete clauses can still be used. I had to sign one when doing tech work, for the exact same reason (I could undersell the company I was working for if I did the work on my own time). Noncompete clauses make perfect sense in those cases, and I doubt a court would rule in favor of someone doing that.
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That is pretty huge, yeah.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
And it's about time. Companies are going to have to rethink how they're going to keep employees, now that they can't deny them the ability to go work somewhere else.
The ostensible reason my old boss gave me (I had one for my last job) was that it keeps employees from, say, using work from their current job in their next job, or - what seems to me a legitimate concern, given the industry - taking work performed on the clock at one job and running off to start your own company with it. The intent wasn't usually to keep an employee from changing jobs so much as to keep the employee honest.
That said, the potential for abuse was obviously huge, and I'd much rather err on the side of protecting employees than employers.
Which was patent bullshit, Jeffe - that's what NDAs are for. Non-competes were measures to keep employees tethered to an employer. Now these companies that relied on them are going to need to figure out how to retain employees the old fashioned way.
Potential?
Which I would be much more concerned about if there wasn't already covered by civil litigation. I'm pretty much willing to guarantee you no reputable meeting will let a pitch finish without confirming that absolutely no work intellectual or actual work was done while anyone involved with the company was being paid by someone else. Even if some unscrupulous employee managed to get funding anyway, a real company can bury a start up on an easily litigated issue like that.
Example: I hire a Microsoft server engineer to help out with my IT consulting firm. I make him sign a noncompetition clause because if he's meeting people who have IT needs, I don't want him saying, "Well, my company charges $150 an hour, but if you want, I'll do it on weekends for $50 an hour instead."
Because we used to make our engineers and techs sign agreements to that effect when I was still in the consulting business.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
That would better fall under the scope of an NDA, I would think (treat your prices as trade secrets.)
Given that they're usually publicly available, I really doubt that would fly. And if it did it'd be worse than non-compete clauses could ever be.
Actually, in consulting, rates aren't publically posted (that's why you see "contact us" on their ads.)
No he's just a free market capitalist.