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Barbara Gordon: Non-criminal mastermind of the DC universe. (May contain spoilers)

Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited August 2008 in Graphic Violence
One of the more controversial figures in the DC universe, Gordon is the leader of a vigilante group known amongst themselves as the Birds of Prey. Why the controversy you ask? Well there is this whole thing where Gordon was shot in the spine by the Joker and left to a wheelchair ever since. A lot of people took that badly; in a world of magic, weird science and alien super-technology it seem to some people cruel to leave someone in a wheel chair. However, I personally think it sent the character in a direction that was ultimately beneficial.

A quick recap on the career of the Oracle:
High school girl Barbara Gordon, in an attempt to get under her father's skin, creates a bat themed costume to wear to a costume party at Wayne Manor. She shows up at the party with no-one knowing what costume she was to be wearing, as she wanted her father's surprise to be maximized. At the party, she foils a plot by Killer Moth to kidnap Bruce Wayne for ransom.

This of course attracts the attention of Batman. Batman and Robin keep a close eye on her afterwards, and after preventing her from accidentally killing herself on her first swing-line jump they induct her for further training. This is left to Robin, while Batman plays the disapproving bad-cop role he loves so much.

Lots of hijinks and hilarity.

Barbara hangs up the Batgirl costume, bringing it out only for special occasions. She feels it is time to move on with her life.

BLAM! Shot in the abdomen by Joker in an attempt to drive Commissioner Gordon insane. This was a cruel heinous act yes, but this is the Joker we are talking about here.

Much hospital and recovery time, and a chance to rethink her life. Barbara decides she still wishes to do good, and uses her computer skills to fight crime in new ways.

The development of the Oracle persona, resulting in anonymous advisory roles for the JLA, JSA, Batman, etc. Batman finds her of particular use, coming to rely on her almost exclusively for current data on his Gotham cases.

Officer Down: This is one of her first chances to get out from under the shadow of the bat, as Bruce is left wallowing in pity. Barbara and the rest of the bat-crew are left to carry on without him.

Aftershock and No-Man's Land: Barbara is reduced to being a police dispatcher for the Blue Boys during No Man's Land. With Gotham in ruins, her Oracle persona is put on a back burner.

Bruce Wayne; Murderer and Bruce Wayne; Fugitive: With Bruce ready to leave his mundane persona out to rot, it is once again up to Barbara and the rest of the Bat crew to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death of a former Wayne love interest.

The Gotham gang wars: After Spoiler inadvertently kicks off the whole thing, Gotham is left bathed in the blood of hundreds of gang members and innocent bystanders. Plans to end the whole thing get shot all to hell resulting in further violence. The War ends with Barbara sacrificing her long time home, the clock tower, to save Batman from a fight to the death by forcing him to save her from a self-destructing building.

Barbara takes her show on the road. Several operations are conducted while Barbara is living in a converted airplane that was... liberated for the purpose and modified for use by Ted Kord (of Blue beetle fame).

Barbara settles down in Metropolis. Conducting operations out of a Gotham style high rise apartment building, she encounters the computer entity Brainiac. Brainiac is defeated, but during the confrontation Barbara is infected with a human/computer virus which gives her more problems down the road than she is comfortable with.

Barbara finds a dozen satellites that used to belong to Lex Luthor. It's Christmas, it's Christmas! Oh, Luthor wants those back, and Calculator is tasked with the deed. However, Calculator is no match for the Oracle and the satellites remain in her hands.

Hey, the Brainiac virus is back, and many questions are raised as Barbara gets surgical treatment by the world's best doctors with the help of a slew of brand new, top of the line medical equipment, and supervised by Dr. Mid-Nite, Cyborg, and Superman. Many questions are raised by many caped or masked folks on just who this anon woman is that rates this kind of treatment.

Barbara Gordon finally clues her dad in on what she is doing with her time, and reveals to him that she used to be Batgirl (which he already knew). A confrontation with Batman over the activities of her agent the Huntress ultimately leads to Batman getting his hand on the Encyclopedia Mafia Gotham edition, and for once he actually praises someone's work.

Barbara confronts Superman on her authority to conduct her operations, and gets trapped into doing some missions for the US government. Issue is resolved when she cleans house (and clocks) on just who runs the show.

Gordon relocates again, out from under Superman's shadow and moves into the back yard of her former agent Black Canary (for several reasons). This strains her relationship with Canary, who thinks Gordon is keeping an eye on her. Also of note is the shadowy crime syndicate in town, which is so underground it doesn't seem to exist.

Present day

So, Birds of Prey: What thinkest thou?

As of this post, the current issue is #120, and the next issue is due out the week of 8/20; and should feature lots of action from your friend and mine (spit) the Joker!

...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    In before "Pull the plugs."

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    SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    KILL THE NET

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    PiptheFair wrote: »
    killing children would be hilarious
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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This thread should not turn into that.

    I have never read Birds of Prey but imagine I would enjoy it. Gail Simone used to write it, correct?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    KILL THE NET

    edit: every email address simultaenously
    IT'S OPENING BY ITSELF!

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    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yep. Gail Simone wrote it from issue #56 through #108 then its been Sean McKeever and Tony Bedard writing the book after that. I THINK that Chuck Dixon wrote the first 50 or so issues.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Zeromus wrote: »
    This thread should not turn into that.

    I have never read Birds of Prey but imagine I would enjoy it. Gail Simone used to write it, correct?

    She started with issue 56, which is the start of, in my opinion, one of the best arcs in the comic.

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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ugh Sean McKeever.

    Edit: Perhaps I will pick up that first Simone arc at some point, then

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    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Zeromus wrote: »
    Ugh Sean McKeever.

    Edit: Perhaps I will pick up that first Simone arc at some point, then

    He only wrote issues #113-117.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
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    I can't say I've read a great deal with the Oracle or Birds of Prey, but I do like how I've seen her written in the few times she's shown up in things I was picking up anyway.

    Technobabble aside, of course.

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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If only Ted Kord could have nailed Barbara before his untimely death

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    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Zeromus wrote: »
    If only Ted Kord could have nailed Barbara before his untimely death

    He was laying down quite a bit of 'game' during the Countdown to Infinite Crisis special.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Birds of prey #61:

    *Barbara takes the phone from Black Canary, who was Arguing on it with Savant*

    "This is Oracle speaking now."
    "Ah! How nice of you to-"
    "I said I'm talking now Savant. And I want to clear up a few things for you."
    *Barbara starts a telephone trace*
    "You've escaped, and you think the world's a huge place, and you can hide anywhere, right? I'm here to tell you... that world? I own it. Your world is getting smaller by the second. And you can't hide anywhere from me. Every database, every security cam, and every police band has my fingerprints on it. Every moment you're out the noose pulls tighter. And Savant, just in case it's not crystal clear by now... Nobody messes with my partner."

    *Savant looks at the C.C. camera on the wall and then the telephone reciever in his hand*

    "She's overestimating herself. She can't... I'm certain that..."

    *Hightails it out the door*
    Zeromus wrote: »
    If only Ted Kord could have nailed Barbara before his untimely death

    They almost kissed after an incident involving a train wreck, but they both realized it would have been a.. well a train wreck; so they kept it friendly.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited August 2008
    no more "KILL THE NET" jokes after the first page

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Zeromus wrote: »
    If only Ted Kord could have nailed Barbara before his untimely death

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    SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I like how even his bugship thing looks surprised.

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    PiptheFair wrote: »
    killing children would be hilarious
    Olivaw wrote: »
    HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE PENNY ARCADE FORUMS

    PLEASE ENJOY YOUR STAY

    AND THIS PENIS
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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, that is the page.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    She does need a love interest, though, because Dick's never going to settle down.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Actually, the two are finally working it all out. I think it could work.

    Edit: I wouldn't have given that response prior to the "One Year Later"... plot device (for lack of a better term).

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Gail Simone's run was really good, although the book was never the same (for the worse) after Black Canary left.

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Munch wrote: »
    Zeromus wrote: »
    If only Ted Kord could have nailed Barbara before his untimely death

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    Man, I just realized. This makes me think of Laurie and Dreiberg on Archie in "Watchmen".

    Edit: Only it ends going in the opposite direction.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    On the Blue Beetle front, Oracle approached the new Blue Beetle for introductions and such, but was rather firmly rejected. I don't think she took it personally though.

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think she's a more interesting character as Batgirl than Secretary to the JLA.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think she's a more interesting character as Batgirl than Secretary to the JLA.

    Was she? Even with the past 2 decades or so of character development?

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Read the Showcase:Batgirl book and decide for yourself.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    I wouldn't call her secretary to the JLA. She runs her own ops, and has firmly told both Batman and Superman to stuff it when they expressed displeasure at her methods.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I wouldn't call her secretary to the JLA. She runs her own ops, and has firmly told both Batman and Superman to stuff it when they expressed displeasure at her methods.
    Actually, Superman just sort of schooled her pretty recently.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I wouldn't call her secretary to the JLA. She runs her own ops, and has firmly told both Batman and Superman to stuff it when they expressed displeasure at her methods.
    Actually, Superman just sort of schooled her pretty recently.

    Am I remembering something wrong, or was this not in BoP itself?

    At any rate, referring to her as a secretary is incredibly condescending when you look at what she has accomplished without the other meta organizations.

    Edit: I remember him shaking her confidence, but fuck, he is Superman. He does that to everybody. I seem to remember she got over it.

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    No, she's pretty much a fancy secretary. There's no need to sugar coat it.

    Also, I will add content to this thread:

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I wouldn't call her secretary to the JLA. She runs her own ops, and has firmly told both Batman and Superman to stuff it when they expressed displeasure at her methods.
    Actually, Superman just sort of schooled her pretty recently.

    Am I remembering something wrong, or was this not in BoP itself?

    At any rate, referring to her as a secretary is incredibly condescending when you look at what she has accomplished without the other meta organizations.
    No it was in BoP I think right before the Boss Dark Side arc. She fucked a mission up horribly, a city center exploded, and Superman came and told her that either she would call in the big guns when she was over her head, or her days of running shadow ops were over.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    No, she's pretty much a fancy secretary. There's no need to sugar coat it.

    Also, I will add content to this thread:

    So she's Anne Hathaway in "The Devil Wears Prada", and Batman is Meryl Streep.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Babs and Dinah's friendship was the best part of Simone's BoP

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    So what does everyone thing of Joker sticking his nose in Star city? And think Canary and Oracle will get over this thing they have going on with being mad at each other.

    As a side note, we know now that Canary can mop the floor with the new Manhunter. Although that wasn't really ever in doubt.

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    SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I thought it was pretty funny that Canary left the BoP post-OYL so she could raise her adopted daughter full-time and then immediately became the chairperson of the JLA

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    PiptheFair wrote: »
    killing children would be hilarious
    Olivaw wrote: »
    HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE PENNY ARCADE FORUMS

    PLEASE ENJOY YOUR STAY

    AND THIS PENIS
    Man, I don't want to read about this lady's broken vagina.
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I am sitting here trying to come up with a tiered system for rating child molesters.
    cock vore is fuckin hilarious
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    ZaylenzZaylenz Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The whole arc with Superman part mentioned was written by Sean McKeever and in my opinion he didn't have the characterization right for any of the Birds. Bedard has gotten the title back on track since he took over. And while Oracle can be written like she's a secretary in other books, I don't get anything like that type of vibe from her own book.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Oracle may be data-person supreme to the capes and cowls of the world, but she doesn't report to them. They call her when they need help, and sometimes she calls them when she needs help. The only people who has ever treated her like an employee is Batman for one, who treats everyone like that; and Spy-Smasher who got her ass kicked for the presumption.

    She is a professional, and I think her exploits have earned her the title.

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So....administrative assistant?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So....administrative assistant?
    executive assistant, please.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Assistant Vice President who isn't scared to answer her own phone.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited August 2008
    in a world of magic, weird science and alien super-technology it seem to some people cruel to leave someone in a wheel chair. However, I personally think it sent the character in a direction that was ultimately beneficial.

    She says pretty much this in a JLA story. J'onn tells her that they could fix her legs, and she says she doesn't want to be an unfeeling cyborg or whatever (sorry, Vic!), but also that she likes that she's using her mind as her weapon now instead of her body.

    She realizes that she's the only one out there that does what she does while there are thousands of "brute" heroes.

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    SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It's not like fixing her legs will lobotomise her, though

    I mean, you don't have to be a cripple to be a computer genius

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    PiptheFair wrote: »
    killing children would be hilarious
    Olivaw wrote: »
    HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE PENNY ARCADE FORUMS

    PLEASE ENJOY YOUR STAY

    AND THIS PENIS
    Man, I don't want to read about this lady's broken vagina.
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I am sitting here trying to come up with a tiered system for rating child molesters.
    cock vore is fuckin hilarious
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