Can someone explain to me this fascination that ferals have with stam? I mean I understand they can stack it and that is useful on some fights but man. At some point you have to have avoidance. I see all these ferals stacking stam and it's like, that's not useful if you're healer can't keep up.
Actually the only piece I am actually using atm is the boots, but I have the whole set just to make Sapph easier.
It's just so much health when mutliplied by bearform. So freaking much.
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Can someone explain to me this fascination that ferals have with stam? I mean I understand they can stack it and that is useful on some fights but man. At some point you have to have avoidance. I see all these ferals stacking stam and it's like, that's not useful if you're healer can't keep up.
The only avoidance druids have is dodge (and miss). We can't parry or block, so huge health pools make up for that.
Can someone explain to me this fascination that ferals have with stam? I mean I understand they can stack it and that is useful on some fights but man. At some point you have to have avoidance. I see all these ferals stacking stam and it's like, that's not useful if you're healer can't keep up.
The only avoidance druids have is dodge (and miss). We can't parry or block, so huge health pools make up for that.
And armor, and the Polar set happens to have rather high armor.
I tend to stick to more balanced gear, but if you've just hit 80 it's a very good set to start tanking in.
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Can someone explain to me this fascination that ferals have with stam? I mean I understand they can stack it and that is useful on some fights but man. At some point you have to have avoidance. I see all these ferals stacking stam and it's like, that's not useful if you're healer can't keep up.
I'm at 38-40% dodge raidbuffed; hugging 50% with a bunch of trinkets and procs up. Can't really get it much higher than that.
And this is with plenty of stamina-stacking, though I'm slowly replacing a bunch of stam gems.
Druids like their stamina because, as said, dodge is the only avoidance we get, and it gets a pretty hefty diminishing return after 30%. Blizzard doesn't want to repeat Sunwell, where tanks had so much avoidance that they needed to add that zone-wide aura that reduced it.
I know my T7 chest is better... but the Polar chest would give me 1600 more health.
I mean, goddamn. That's a lot of stamina.
Yeah, that's a dilemma I face all the time. "Oh hey, new item with 0.4% more dodge... but I lose 1000 hit points."
The current exchange rate seems to be 2400 hp per percentage of raw dodge on most items, with a few rare exceptions that actually have both stamina and lots of avoidance.
edit: and yeah, Polar items + Trollwoven Spaulders = great starting tanking set. Also, get the gloves from the CoT Strat quest; they're blue but have a fuckton of stamina. I'm still using them in my mostly epic tank set.
edit: and yeah, Polar items + Trollwoven Spaulders = great starting tanking set. Also, get the gloves from the CoT Strat quest; they're blue but have a fuckton of stamina. I'm still using them in my mostly epic tank set.
I'll get the T7.25 shoulders for emblems soon, I never get the damn tokens in raids. :x
Also notable as easy-to-get starting tanking gear are Chain-Gang Legguards, boe blue that's better for tanking than anything you'll get outside of a raid except possibly the legs off Galdarah (which have more avoidance and hit, but less stam)
Drake-Champion's Bracers, another boe blue which I personally think is also better than anything you'll get outside of raids, but then I tend to value +hit higher than most people do.
All three of them are available pretty readily for 100g or less each, much less for the staff (especially after this patch, where it will no longer be nearly as good).
You can basically craft a tank set that is maybe half a dozen heroic drops/badge rewards away from being raid-ready entirely using purchased or crafted boe gear, it is awesome
Can someone explain to me this fascination that ferals have with stam? I mean I understand they can stack it and that is useful on some fights but man. At some point you have to have avoidance. I see all these ferals stacking stam and it's like, that's not useful if you're healer can't keep up.
I'm at 38-40% dodge raidbuffed; hugging 50% with a bunch of trinkets and procs up. Can't really get it much higher than that.
And this is with plenty of stamina-stacking, though I'm slowly replacing a bunch of stam gems.
Druids like their stamina because, as said, dodge is the only avoidance we get, and it gets a pretty hefty diminishing return after 30%. Blizzard doesn't want to repeat Sunwell, where tanks had so much avoidance that they needed to add that zone-wide aura that reduced it.
I know my T7 chest is better... but the Polar chest would give me 1600 more health.
I mean, goddamn. That's a lot of stamina.
Yeah, that's a dilemma I face all the time. "Oh hey, new item with 0.4% more dodge... but I lose 1000 hit points."
The current exchange rate seems to be 2400 hp per percentage of raw dodge on most items, with a few rare exceptions that actually have both stamina and lots of avoidance.
edit: and yeah, Polar items + Trollwoven Spaulders = great starting tanking set. Also, get the gloves from the CoT Strat quest; they're blue but have a fuckton of stamina. I'm still using them in my mostly epic tank set.
I'll get the T7.25 shoulders for emblems soon, I never get the damn tokens in raids. :x
The Polar items does help you at the start but I would work towards balancing your gear. Losing hit points from using a Polar item to a lvl 200 to 213 is worth it imo. However keep that Polar set around you will need it for OS+3D. My hp is kinda low 25k with motw. I do have a stam set that is the Polar set socketed with all 24 stam. Raid buffed in my Stam set I sit at 53k hp in bear. Agi is still a good stat to socket too, just make sure you get stam as well. The agi + stam gems are great for the red sockets in the teir gear and hit + stam is good for the yellow. Keep in mind I like to balance threat, surviablity, and avoidance when I set up my gear. my gear, if your interested
Ugh, what do I buy first with badges as a resto druid? lol
I guess that depends...but that I think that cloth belt for 40 badges is awfully nifty myself (eternal gardens belt?). Considering I don't think there's anything in 10 man Naxx which would replace it. 25 probably, if your guild runs it.
Me, I'd just get the T7 chest token because I'm wearing a blue one.
The armor on your weapon and rings (and neck and trinkets) doesn't get multiplied anymore by anything except for the meta gem.
I'm aware of that, but the armor boost via SOTF means that my armor alone brings me to roughly what I had WITH the bonus, and now my rings and weapon are just icing on the cake. Either way, my armor went up.
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I definitely lost a good chunk of armor in the patch, since I had Defender's Code + Offering of Sacrifice + 2 armor rings + an armor staff + bonus armor on my cloak, and would have had the titanium earthguard neck crafted if I hadn't known they were going to nerf it for me imminently (I'll probably still get it crafted to use on my stam set, though). And I definitely seem to have more trouble gaining and holding onto aggro since the patch, mangle damage definitely dropped a lot and it feels like my swipes are weaker compared to before, but I don't really have hard numbers to back me up on that.
to the resto's. I'm not 80 yet. I've got Regrowth, and lifebloom currently glyphed. Would like some friendly input on whether I should glyph the Swiftmend glyph for not wasting a HoT, or the innervate glyph for longevity in raids? I'm an elixir specc'd Alchy as well so I get the PoT bonuses.
edit: my first totp, huzzah?
Mangle was called "Mangle (Bear)" and ditto for cat, but that got changed to "Mangle - Bear" since the game considered the stuff in parentheses to be the rank of the skill. Now they made that mistake again with "Swipe (Cat)". I reckon that gets changed in the next patch.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
I'm starting to be at the point where my SF routinely crits for 10k+, usually in the 11k territory, 13-14k in 10mans with flasks and all that. It's pretty awesome. Those rare few times when it decides to crit for only 9k or so make me feel sad.
If you're not using Regrowth you're wrong. 60+% crit, 20% increase if it's already there, Living Seed when it crits, there's no reason not to use it.
I'm behind a little bit on mp5, but I just find that regrowth is mana that I don't have to spare for what winds up being a lot of overhealing. I'll use it on the tank in extremely damage-intense fights (mostly patchwerk) or in emergencies (NS macro), but I don't find myself needing it that much as a spotheal. And casting it on the tank on a continuous basis seems inefficient to me since the hot seems to wind up being mostly overheal.
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
just got Idol of the Shooting Star from a friend's 25 man alt Naxx (full clear in 3 hours woo) and it is insane, adds like 200 damage to every Starfire I cast
Also a clinically insane tank who likes to chain pull pretty much every trash mob before Patch = 14k dps from a very happy Hurricaning feathered fuck :winky:
Your NS macro should be for NT, not Regrowth. Anyway, Regrowth's very useful, especially coupled with the Regrowth and Swiftmend glyphs. I precast it on tanks before bosses so then I get the 20% the entire time and have something to Swiftmend all the time. For fights with slow predictable spike damage I use Regrowth primarily and for fights with unpredictable spike damage I have Swiftmend and Nourish to back me up.
HoTs by their nature are almost always overheal so you need to not freak out about them overhealing, their purpose is to mitigate damage while people are reacting to it. Swiftmend coupled with this also gives other healers more time to react to large spikes. Druid healing is all about prediction and prevention vs reaction which is why I think so many people find it fun, because it's different than the other healers in that way.
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Actually the only piece I am actually using atm is the boots, but I have the whole set just to make Sapph easier.
It's just so much health when mutliplied by bearform. So freaking much.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
The only avoidance druids have is dodge (and miss). We can't parry or block, so huge health pools make up for that.
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
And armor, and the Polar set happens to have rather high armor.
I tend to stick to more balanced gear, but if you've just hit 80 it's a very good set to start tanking in.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I'm at 38-40% dodge raidbuffed; hugging 50% with a bunch of trinkets and procs up. Can't really get it much higher than that.
And this is with plenty of stamina-stacking, though I'm slowly replacing a bunch of stam gems.
Druids like their stamina because, as said, dodge is the only avoidance we get, and it gets a pretty hefty diminishing return after 30%. Blizzard doesn't want to repeat Sunwell, where tanks had so much avoidance that they needed to add that zone-wide aura that reduced it.
Yeah, that's a dilemma I face all the time. "Oh hey, new item with 0.4% more dodge... but I lose 1000 hit points."
The current exchange rate seems to be 2400 hp per percentage of raw dodge on most items, with a few rare exceptions that actually have both stamina and lots of avoidance.
edit: and yeah, Polar items + Trollwoven Spaulders = great starting tanking set. Also, get the gloves from the CoT Strat quest; they're blue but have a fuckton of stamina. I'm still using them in my mostly epic tank set.
edit edit: my gear, for the interested
I'll get the T7.25 shoulders for emblems soon, I never get the damn tokens in raids. :x
Also notable as easy-to-get starting tanking gear are Chain-Gang Legguards, boe blue that's better for tanking than anything you'll get outside of a raid except possibly the legs off Galdarah (which have more avoidance and hit, but less stam)
Drake-Champion's Bracers, another boe blue which I personally think is also better than anything you'll get outside of raids, but then I tend to value +hit higher than most people do.
and also Bloodwood Greatstaff, another boe blue.
All three of them are available pretty readily for 100g or less each, much less for the staff (especially after this patch, where it will no longer be nearly as good).
You can basically craft a tank set that is maybe half a dozen heroic drops/badge rewards away from being raid-ready entirely using purchased or crafted boe gear, it is awesome
The Polar items does help you at the start but I would work towards balancing your gear. Losing hit points from using a Polar item to a lvl 200 to 213 is worth it imo. However keep that Polar set around you will need it for OS+3D. My hp is kinda low 25k with motw. I do have a stam set that is the Polar set socketed with all 24 stam. Raid buffed in my Stam set I sit at 53k hp in bear. Agi is still a good stat to socket too, just make sure you get stam as well. The agi + stam gems are great for the red sockets in the teir gear and hit + stam is good for the yellow. Keep in mind I like to balance threat, surviablity, and avoidance when I set up my gear. my gear, if your interested
I guess that depends...but that I think that cloth belt for 40 badges is awfully nifty myself (eternal gardens belt?). Considering I don't think there's anything in 10 man Naxx which would replace it. 25 probably, if your guild runs it.
Me, I'd just get the T7 chest token because I'm wearing a blue one.
Yes its already happend.
But it really was needed, they were a blue that was better than T7.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
P.S. buff plz
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
And I respecced feral in light of the Starfall nerf. It's crazy awesome even with shitty gear.
EDIT: Give me a good PvP spec and glyphs.
Gonna port to Moonglade tomorrow and learn Swipe:Cat
then haul ass to Stormwind and learn spears in the vague hope that they release some kind of caster spear in Ulduar
(THEY DID IT WITH FISTS DAMMIT I HAVE IT ITS AWESOME OK)
i have been hankering for a caster 1h axe
Yeah I ended up gaining about 3k armor between that and the armor on my weapon and rings.
You'll notice you do slightly less damage in bear form now though.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I'm aware of that, but the armor boost via SOTF means that my armor alone brings me to roughly what I had WITH the bonus, and now my rings and weapon are just icing on the cake. Either way, my armor went up.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
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Because it just looks that awesome enough to warrant casting
because the moonfire beam is so tiny tee hee hee
I like putting Insect Swarm on the largest thing I can possibly find. Makes for some rather confused group members.
The petals were easily twice the size of a player.
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Mangle was called "Mangle (Bear)" and ditto for cat, but that got changed to "Mangle - Bear" since the game considered the stuff in parentheses to be the rank of the skill. Now they made that mistake again with "Swipe (Cat)". I reckon that gets changed in the next patch.
I'm behind a little bit on mp5, but I just find that regrowth is mana that I don't have to spare for what winds up being a lot of overhealing. I'll use it on the tank in extremely damage-intense fights (mostly patchwerk) or in emergencies (NS macro), but I don't find myself needing it that much as a spotheal. And casting it on the tank on a continuous basis seems inefficient to me since the hot seems to wind up being mostly overheal.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Also a clinically insane tank who likes to chain pull pretty much every trash mob before Patch = 14k dps from a very happy Hurricaning feathered fuck :winky:
HoTs by their nature are almost always overheal so you need to not freak out about them overhealing, their purpose is to mitigate damage while people are reacting to it. Swiftmend coupled with this also gives other healers more time to react to large spikes. Druid healing is all about prediction and prevention vs reaction which is why I think so many people find it fun, because it's different than the other healers in that way.