Same Bat-Time, Same Bat-Channel : The Batman Thread

Robos A Go Go

NOOOOOO!!!

Not horrible, horrible angst!

Keith is going to be really pissed.

Sars_Boy

man really?

really?

ugggggh

Munch

Next up, Tim Drake becomes a double amputee paraplegic!

Garlic Bread

Blankspace wrote: »

Oh man Keith is going to be so mad

I don't mind changes in characters

I'm not Munch.

Robos A Go Go

Who's going to be writing the Red Robin series again?

I wonder how they'll handle the burn thing. Is Tim going to be so disfigured that he goes all Phantom of the Opera, or is he going to attempt to live a normal life, crimefighting aside?

Garlic Bread

I'm sure the burns are only temporary

Raynaga

So he's wearing the Kingdom Come suit?

Garlic Bread

No, he's wearing his regular costume with a cowl

Robos A Go Go

Keith wrote: »

I'm sure the burns are only temporary

I don't think they'd hide his face in the shadows if they were only the kind of temporary injuries that every hero gets.

Sars_Boy

Keith wrote: »

I'm sure the burns are only temporary

I honestly don't think so

I think they'll stay as long as Red Robin does

Robos A Go Go

I can't imagine Red Robin lasting very long, though. Who wants to read a third-tier Batman title about the Burn Wonder?

Furu

Sars_Boy wrote: »

Keith wrote: »

I'm sure the burns are only temporary

I honestly don't think so

I think they'll stay as long as Red Robin does

And for all we know Red Robin is temporary too.

Sars_Boy

Furu wrote: »

Sars_Boy wrote: »

Keith wrote: »

I'm sure the burns are only temporary

I honestly don't think so

I think they'll stay as long as Red Robin does

And for all we know Red Robin is temporary too.

yeah

he's so temporary he's getting his own ongoing!

Garlic Bread

i wish Tim would just become Nightwing instead of Red Robin

Robos A Go Go

Or maybe someone could just come up with a new identity rather than attempting to shoehorn him into roles that don't suit him.

Raynaga

Keith wrote: »

No, he's wearing his regular costume with a cowl

They look borderline identical o_O I guess they did keep the center piece on right side of the chest instead of in the center.

Owenashi

Someone over in Newsarama put up a cell-phone scan of Tim sans obscuring shadows and chair in this week's issue.

Yarg.

Robos A Go Go

Well, at least he's still mostly pretty.

I mean, assuming the part we can't see is okay.

It probably isn't, though.

Faynor

How old is Tim?

Robos A Go Go

Faynor wrote: »

How old is Tim?

18ish.

Faynor

As I've repeatedly said, I don't follow Batman closely, but doesn't he usually look more..I don't know the word. Like, younger? Smaller? More agile?

Raynaga

No you're right, the "cowl on" art looks way too 'grown-up' for lack of a better term.

Robos A Go Go

They're trying to make him an adult hero, so it's not surprising that the art would portray him as such.

Raynaga

I think for those of us that don't follow it regularly anymore (the last time I did was NML) it's just a really sharp difference to what we're used to.

Garlic Bread

Tim's 17.

A 17-year-old that exercises a lot

Garlic Bread

Raynaga wrote: »

Keith wrote: »

No, he's wearing his regular costume with a cowl

They look borderline identical o_O I guess they did keep the center piece on right side of the chest instead of in the center.

Differences:

Red Robin suit:

Robin's suit with a cowl:

Robin's suit without a cowl:

Robos A Go Go

It's really weird to see a character who is yelling drawn with his mouth closed.

Garlic Bread

He's the third Ventriloquist

Garlic Bread

Batman & The Outsiders #14 was complete shit, but it does have the new Azrael in it. We don't see his face, but he has on the Suit of Sorrows and his "master" calls him the Angel of Death

I'm just glad that Tomasi takes over next month

Garlic Bread

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Or maybe someone could just come up with a new identity rather than attempting to shoehorn him into roles that don't suit him.

he could become Nightwing-esque and go by Redbird, since that's his codename

Furu

A triple-post, Keith? For shame.

Garlic Bread

I think I've gotten up to six in a row before, maybe

Munch

Keith wrote: »

I don't mind changes in characters

I'm not Munch.

I secretly hate reading comics because dammit, things keep happening.

Really, I think everyone has in their mind a most iconic version of a character. I think Tim works best as a self-motivated hero, mostly bereft of tragedy, who does the vigilante thing not because he needs to, but because he wants to. Every time they shit on him to push him a little closer to being a mini-Batman, I think it does a disservice to the character.

Though I'm sure it will be undone eventually, since it's kind of hard to write Tim in a social setting when he looks like a Cenobite.

Wildcat

Maybe Gog will shift all that burnt skin onto Damage in a fit of pique in a couple of months and Tim will be back to normal.

mattharvest

Wildcat wrote: »

Maybe Gog will shift all that burnt skin onto Damage in a fit of pique in a couple of months and Tim will be back to normal.

Uh,

Gog already screwed everyone back to the status quo when it was revealed that he was bonding to the Earth and would destroy it if he ever left after finishing his bonding.

Wildcat

Hah, I see. I'm a few issues behind.

Robos A Go Go

I predict that Tim dies in the near future. Red Robin sucks, and you can't go back to being Robin. Unless someone comes up with a new identity on par with Nightwing and makes him leader of the Titans again, he's screwed.

Owenashi

A few words from Fabian Nicieza popped up on a comic-book blog over his use of the two major villains in Robin #181.

Fabian Nicieza wrote:

The decision to replace Lonnie as Anarky wasn't done without thought. The story and the title's situation called for a very primitive definition of the term Anarky in my desire to leave the book having established the notion of "Robin's Joker."

I thought the concept of Anarky, applied in a visceral, immature fashion, would make an excellent counterpoint to Robin's ordered methodical thinking.

Since Lonnie is too smart to be immature and NOT a "villain," I wanted Anarky, but it couldn't be Lonnie without compromising who he is as a character.

Conversely, from his original inception, I always felt the General as a character had the most potential to grow up to become "Robin's Joker."

So, as a writer, you manipulate things in such a way that get you what you need for the story, the character and the longterm thinking of the book (I know, it's cancelled, I still think longterm).

BUT... you want to respect the creative work done before, so I wanted Lonnie in the book, just in a condition that prevents him from stopping Ulysses, but not in a condition that prevents him from ever "finding his way back" should a future writer want to go that way. I mean, he got shot in the head, he's paralyzed and catatonic and hooked up to hi-tech machines -- ANYONE can come back from that in comics! \:-\)

You try to have your cake and eat it, too, but you also set the table for future writers to feast off of as best you can.

The General makes a more viable Anarky for the current needs of the Robin status quo and Lonnie can become a viable presence in his original "side identity" as MoneySpider, an electronic ghost.

One can prove a physical opposition to Robin (Ulysses as Anarky), the other an intellectual one (Lonnie as MoneySpider).

I knew it would piss off some longtime Anarky fans, but conversely, he hadn't been used in the DCU for a VERY long time (as had Ulysses) and was a VERY hard character to use easily because of the complexity of his beliefs, so if I didn't do this, two good characters could have lain dormant.

Now, I feel there are clearly defined ways you can use both Ulysses and Lonnie.

Feel free to cut and paste on other sites, since people are asking the question and I'm too tired to reply on every site. \:-\)

-- fabian

Robos A Go Go

I was going to suggest the Red Robin costume get goggles or something to make the cowl more interesting, but then I realized he'd just look like Dr. Mid-Nite.

nightmarenny

Just finished reading it("the Joker). To damn short.

Did the Joker kill the Riddler?