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PETA, you so classy

mellowshipslinkymellowshipslinky Registered User regular
edited September 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
PETA's been doing some uh, interesting things with their advertising lately.

Exhibit A:
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This is in reference to the recent Greyhound bus beheading incident.
Animal activists in row over 'bus beheading' ad

Exhibit B:
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They want to post these along the border (there's a Spanish version too). This is just so many kinds of stupid I don't even know where to start.
PETA Warns Mexican-U.S. Border Crossers


I guess I never really understood this kind of approach to advertising. Yeah, it's supposed to be shocking and controversial... it's supposed to get people's attention... but what does this type of thing really accomplish? It just seems to boil down to bad PR, because ads like this are in such incredibly bad taste. I don't really know much about PETA, but I've always had the impression that they're a bunch of crazy fanatics, and for me, shit like this does nothing more than reinforce that image.

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I still find it baffling that there are people out there that would support a group that values animal lives over human lives. It's not just that they want to protect animals, an admirable goal. They want to protect animals to the detriment of human beings.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This is how I feel about eating animals:

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    I have no reservations about it. That's why this kind of advertising never gets to me. My reaction is "Yeah? And?" Is PETA going after man-eating large cats in Africa and Asia? No. The hypocrisy is damning for their message.

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  • i n c u b u si n c u b u s Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Wow everyone in America is obese, multicolored and loves fried chicken. I would've never guessed.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    See I don't like that animals are treated badly. A lot of them seem very docile creatures that go towards our diets and prolonging our lives. I'm not going to stop eating meat but I would support a system that protects these animals from abuse and ensures they are killed humanely. That throat slitting stuff, if real, shouldn't be allowed.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Something really irks me about Exhibit B, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm pretty sure it's the equivocation between being caught by the border patrol and eating meat.

    Pretty sure that's it. :x

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Wow everyone in America is obese, multicolored andloves fried chicken. I would've never guessed.

    Wow that actually that seems to sum it up.

    If you want a workable add for vegetarianism that works without resorting to scare tactics, you get the radio commerical Lisa Edelstein does now and dub it over her strip tease from House. I guarantee at least 100,000 people convert within a month.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    This is how I feel about eating animals:

    i loves me some meat

    I have no reservations about it. That's why this kind of advertising never gets to me. My reaction is "Yeah? And?" Is PETA going after man-eating large cats in Africa and Asia? No. The hypocrisy is damning for their message.

    you know that's a terrible argument, right

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    But meat is really really good.

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  • MetacortexMetacortex The Prettiest Zombie Coeur d'CoeursRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Perhaps PETA has an underlying goal. Specifically - to convert as many people to a vegan lifestyle as possible so that if a zombie epidemic were to occur, instead of craving flesh, the reanimated corpses would have an unquenchable hunger for leafy greens.

    Either that or the lack of protein would make their frail zombie bodies that much weaker, thus giving those still among the living that much more of an advantage.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    But meat is really really good.

    see this is my argument

    i place my immense pleasure in eating meat above the life and welfare of animals who happen to be delicious. i actually think this is pretty immoral, but i am entirely satisfied with my delicious hypocrisy.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I reserve a special sort of hatred for advocacy organizations that are more interested in being "edgy" and giving their diehards a warm fuzzy than they are at convincing anybody. PETA is basically the king of this.

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  • i n c u b u si n c u b u s Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Metacortex wrote: »
    Perhaps PETA has an underlying goal. Specifically - to convert as many people to a vegan lifestyle as possible so that if a zombie epidemic were to occur, instead of craving flesh, the reanimated corpses would have an unquenchable hunger for leafy greens.

    Either that or the lack of protein would make their frail zombie bodies that much weaker, thus giving those still among the living that much more of an advantage.

    *Mental image of zombies eating a ceasar salad*

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  • reminderGTOreminderGTO Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    See I don't like that animals are treated badly. A lot of them seem very docile creatures that go towards our diets and prolonging our lives. I'm not going to stop eating meat but I would support a system that protects these animals from abuse and ensures they are killed humanely. That throat slitting stuff, if real, shouldn't be allowed.

    Here's what I'd like to find. A study showing that animals that are kept in better conditions and treated humanely prior to their death taste better.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    They do taste better. I don't think you'd really need a study to convince people that free range meat is leaner and tastier. The problem is that it's a lot more expensive.

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Here's my real argument:

    PETA's message has no effect on me, because their idealism and tactics are closer to that of crazy fundies that bomb abortion clinics than say, a level-headed law abiding activist group.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Metacortex wrote: »
    Perhaps PETA has an underlying goal. Specifically - to convert as many people to a vegan lifestyle as possible so that if a zombie epidemic were to occur, instead of craving flesh, the reanimated corpses would have an unquenchable hunger for leafy greens.

    Either that or the lack of protein would make their frail zombie bodies that much weaker, thus giving those still among the living that much more of an advantage.

    :^:
    Ludious wrote:
    But meat is really really good.

    Actually if you've never eaten it (or if you haven't for a few years) it actually smells pretty nauseating. Like this combination of burning and rotting. Like if someone tried to cover up the scent of roadkill with cumin and other spices. Particularly red meat.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    People shouldn't eat red meat because it's really fucking bad for you.

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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    I still find it baffling that there are people out there that would support a group that values animal lives over human lives.
    Which group are you talking about?

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I like what PETA sounds like it stands for... People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Ethical Treatment for puppies and kitties sounds great. They just let so much bullshit get in the way of that message that they become cartoons.

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  • i n c u b u si n c u b u s Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    See I don't like that animals are treated badly. A lot of them seem very docile creatures that go towards our diets and prolonging our lives. I'm not going to stop eating meat but I would support a system that protects these animals from abuse and ensures they are killed humanely. That throat slitting stuff, if real, shouldn't be allowed.

    Here's what I'd like to find. A study showing that animals that are kept in better conditions and treated humanely prior to their death taste better.

    "Man those humanely killed chicken wings were amazing last night!" I highly doubt I'll ever hear someone say this....ever.

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Qingu wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    I still find it baffling that there are people out there that would support a group that values animal lives over human lives.
    Which group are you talking about?

    PETA. But you knew that.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    This is how I feel about eating animals:

    i loves me some meat

    I have no reservations about it. That's why this kind of advertising never gets to me. My reaction is "Yeah? And?" Is PETA going after man-eating large cats in Africa and Asia? No. The hypocrisy is damning for their message.

    you know that's a terrible argument, right

    He should know.

    Animals don't have the capacity to know right from wrong. You do.

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Metacortex wrote: »
    Perhaps PETA has an underlying goal. Specifically - to convert as many people to a vegan lifestyle as possible so that if a zombie epidemic were to occur, instead of craving flesh, the reanimated corpses would have an unquenchable hunger for leafy greens.

    Either that or the lack of protein would make their frail zombie bodies that much weaker, thus giving those still among the living that much more of an advantage.

    *Mental image of zombies eating a ceasar salad*

    But it eats the salad out of a human head!

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    That's why Tigers and Lions eat their meat raw. They don't know that a nice charcoal sear and a light dusting of salt and pepper makes red meat so much more delicious.

    Silly animals.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Completely anecdotal, but all of the free-range/cage-free stuff I've tried tasted better than it's cramped/caged counter-parts. Kobe beef is some excellent stuff if anyone has the chance to try it sometime.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    Here's my real argument:

    PETA's message has no effect on me, because their idealism and tactics are closer to that of crazy fundies that bomb abortion clinics than say, a level-headed law abiding activist group.

    i think we can all agree that PETA is a dumb organization that uses dumb tactics, and is generally run and supported by dumb people.

    i am waiting for this thread to become a more general discussion of the ethics of eating meat, with regard to the following issues:

    1) whether it is possible to have a healthy lifestyle without eating any meat at all
    2) whether human lives are more valuable than animal lives
    2b) the metric by which we measure the value of life
    3) whether it is moral to eat meat when you can have a healthy lifestyle without meat

    that's usually how it goes in a PETA thread, and we haven't had a veggie thread in a while!

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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    Here's my real argument:

    PETA's message has no effect on me, because their idealism and tactics are closer to that of crazy fundies that bomb abortion clinics than say, a level-headed law abiding activist group.
    I think it's incredibly irrational to compare PETA's advertising to abortion clinic bombers.

    Edgy advertising =/= actually killing people.

    I have absolutely no problem with these ads. I actually like the Mexican one. I think a lot of the negative response to PETA comes from meat-eaters who are unwilling or uncomfortable with examining the morality of their daily actions.

    Whether or not these ads are effective is another debate; I honestly don't know. They are not the only media arm of PETA or the broader animal welfare movement.

    Note: I eat meat.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    But meat is really really good.

    see this is my argument

    i place my immense pleasure in eating meat above the life and welfare of animals who happen to be delicious. i actually think this is pretty immoral, but i am entirely satisfied with my delicious hypocrisy.
    I have no problem with people who realize this and can say it seriously. It really grates on my nerves when people try to defend themselves against the very realistic and reasoned claims of vegetarians and vegans with a lot of bullshit instead of just admitting, "Yeah, these are just my priorities. You've got the facts, but I really like doing this." :^:, EM

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  • reminderGTOreminderGTO Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    See I don't like that animals are treated badly. A lot of them seem very docile creatures that go towards our diets and prolonging our lives. I'm not going to stop eating meat but I would support a system that protects these animals from abuse and ensures they are killed humanely. That throat slitting stuff, if real, shouldn't be allowed.

    Here's what I'd like to find. A study showing that animals that are kept in better conditions and treated humanely prior to their death taste better.

    "Man those humanely killed chicken wings were amazing last night!" I highly doubt I'll ever hear someone say this....ever.

    Well what I was thinking of were those small ranches/farms where the animals are grown free-range out of cages and such.

    also:
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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    Qingu wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    I still find it baffling that there are people out there that would support a group that values animal lives over human lives.
    Which group are you talking about?

    PETA. But you knew that.
    Why in the world do you think PETA "values animal lives over human lives"?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Every time I hear the word "PETA" I think of the Penn & Teller episode on PETA and I smile. I realize that their show is almost always slanted to one side, but damn if that wasn't a good show.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Qingu wrote: »
    I have absolutely no problem with these ads. I actually like the Mexican one. I think a lot of the negative response to PETA comes from meat-eaters who are unwilling or uncomfortable with examining the morality of their daily actions.
    The Mexican ad says nothing about morality. It's blatant fear-mongering equivocating the border rush -- and the risk of death or punitive actions that comes with it -- to eating animal products at all. It's rather tasteless, in my opinion.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Qingu wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Qingu wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    I still find it baffling that there are people out there that would support a group that values animal lives over human lives.
    Which group are you talking about?

    PETA. But you knew that.
    Why in the world do you think PETA "values animal lives over human lives"?

    i imagine because of the various acts of domestic terrorism that have been attributed to PETA, or to crazed individuals funded by PETA?

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    Here's my real argument:

    PETA's message has no effect on me, because their idealism and tactics are closer to that of crazy fundies that bomb abortion clinics than say, a level-headed law abiding activist group.

    i think we can all agree that PETA is a dumb organization that uses dumb tactics, and is generally run and supported by dumb people.

    i am waiting for this thread to become a more general discussion of the ethics of eating meat, with regard to the following issues:

    1) whether it is possible to have a healthy lifestyle without eating any meat at all
    2) whether human lives are more valuable than animal lives
    2b) the metric by which we measure the value of life
    3) whether it is moral to eat meat when you can have a healthy lifestyle without meat

    that's usually how it goes in a PETA thread, and we haven't had a veggie thread in a while!


    1) Probably. But why?
    2) Yes. Infinitely moreso.
    2b) sentience
    3) Yes. Personal choice.

    Meh. I know my opinion isn't going to be popular. But it's just the way I feel. I know, we're going to get into this huge thing about what sentience is etc.
    If you can walk, talk, create, and love, you are sentient. It's why I will eat a cow but I would not eat an ape, or most likely a dolphin.

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  • PeekingDuckPeekingDuck __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    But PETA does bomb people.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    People shouldn't eat red meat because it's really fucking bad for you.

    I went to the red meat article at Wikipedia and quickly saw this:
    While red meat is a good source of complete protein and iron, its regular consumption presents several health risks, largely due to the saturated fat content of many cuts. It has been suggested that these health risks are largely absent from grass-fed beef (rather than corn-fed beef).

    COOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN!!!

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited August 2008
    Like religion, I have no problem with people's dietary habits. It's when you go beyond simple discussion of pros and cons and into a zealous forcing of your beliefs upon others that I dislike.

    Seriously: go veg. More meat for me.

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  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Just as an aside, I've known some REALLY FAT vegetarians.

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  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    JebusUD wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    This is how I feel about eating animals:

    i loves me some meat

    I have no reservations about it. That's why this kind of advertising never gets to me. My reaction is "Yeah? And?" Is PETA going after man-eating large cats in Africa and Asia? No. The hypocrisy is damning for their message.

    you know that's a terrible argument, right

    He should know.

    Animals don't have the capacity to know right from wrong. You do.
    Actually, Peter Singer brings up this point in Animal Liberation. When/if we develop the capacity to prevent natural carnivores from eating meat (i.e. through genetic engineering), should we?

    Singer kind of just leaves it at that. But it's honestly an interesting question and I personally think that we should. Provided that we're talking about post-Singularity shit here, why shouldn't we act in an enlightened manner to reduce or eliminate suffering in the natural world? Plus, wouldn't be really awesome to be able to walk around a fenceless zoo where you could play with GM-vegelions and vegebears?

    Qingu on
  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ludious wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Here's my real argument:

    PETA's message has no effect on me, because their idealism and tactics are closer to that of crazy fundies that bomb abortion clinics than say, a level-headed law abiding activist group.

    i think we can all agree that PETA is a dumb organization that uses dumb tactics, and is generally run and supported by dumb people.

    i am waiting for this thread to become a more general discussion of the ethics of eating meat, with regard to the following issues:

    1) whether it is possible to have a healthy lifestyle without eating any meat at all
    2) whether human lives are more valuable than animal lives
    2b) the metric by which we measure the value of life
    3) whether it is moral to eat meat when you can have a healthy lifestyle without meat

    that's usually how it goes in a PETA thread, and we haven't had a veggie thread in a while!


    1) Probably. But why?
    2) Yes. Infinitely moreso.
    2b) sentience
    3) Yes. Personal choice.

    Meh. I know my opinion isn't going to be popular. But it's just the way I feel. I know, we're going to get into this huge thing about what sentience is etc.
    If you can walk, talk, create, and love, you are sentient. It's why I will eat a cow but I would not eat an ape, or most likely a dolphin.

    1) Because why cause pain to somthing when you don't have to?
    2) I dunno about infinitely but yeah
    2b) There are probably more metrics than that. Certainly intelligence is one. I dont feel bad about swating flys, but I do about say, running over animals with my car.
    3) personal choice? maybe we should just allow people to do whatever they feel like. Its personal choice right?

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