Yeah, as I recall a lot of the stats currently on tier 5 seem... questionable. I hope they're tweaking things. P.S. lol priest critz!
I dunno, actually. It's not really for shadow, but more towards Smite Magery, where crits are a big thing due to Surge of Light.
Pegging a enemy for 1800 from a Holy Fire crit, and instantly following up with a 1000-damage Smite that cost no mana? Before the mob even gets moving towards you? It's pretty hot.
(And, on the current beta, where the Surged spell can *still* crit, and proc itself again... oof. Things just *die*. Screw Shadow, it's completely un-necessary.)
Current record for me is a 2200-point Holy Fire crit.
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Ok thanks, I've been out of action for over a year, and I'm thinking of coming back after BC rolls onto the shelves. I asked only because the tooltip on the official talent calc still only says experience and makes no mention of honor points also triggering the effect.
That's keeping in mind that you're levelling up from 1, although you'd probably want to spec Shadow/Disc until 40 then respec for Shadowform. Wands own for grinding at low levels, max out wand spec as soon as you get mindflay. Misery is awesome. Vampiric Touch is not efficient for grinding. Unbreakable Will is useful but doesn't really come into it's own until higher levels. Spec it post-60, at which point Wand Spec becomes less useful (you should be able to kill things quickly and efficiently with minimal wand usage through your 60s).
Healing Focus is good for PvP. However, while grinding you should be healing yourself through VE, bandages and food. Dropping shadowform and casting a heal during combat is mana intensive (recasting shadowform+the heal itself) and time-consuming (boo global cooldown). If you're not going to PvP, consider speccing out of Imp. Psychic Scream+Silence. I did on beta, and never really missed them in solo PvE.
My end result is to have a good PvP/Raid Hybrid, at least that is what I'm shooting for. So much changed since I left I'm not sure where to put some points for these new talents since I don't know what is worth it and what's not.
Guess I'll make another red headed dwarf. What professions are worth taking these days? Right now I'm interested in Tailor, Jewelcrafter, Mining, maybe engineering if they changed things that blow up in your face less. Suggestions are welcome.
(And, on the current beta, where the Surged spell can *still* crit, and proc itself again... oof. Things just *die*. Screw Shadow, it's completely un-necessary.)
Current record for me is a 2200-point Holy Fire crit.
Wait what? Surge of light can crit? I thought it said that is couldn't is it a bug? I might have to spec Lawlsmite to test it.
Yeah, as I recall a lot of the stats currently on tier 5 seem... questionable. I hope they're tweaking things. P.S. lol priest critz!
I dunno, actually. It's not really for shadow, but more towards Smite Magery, where crits are a big thing due to Surge of Light.
Pegging a enemy for 1800 from a Holy Fire crit, and instantly following up with a 1000-damage Smite that cost no mana? Before the mob even gets moving towards you? It's pretty hot.
(And, on the current beta, where the Surged spell can *still* crit, and proc itself again... oof. Things just *die*. Screw Shadow, it's completely un-necessary.)
Current record for me is a 2200-point Holy Fire crit.
It's completely illogical to make one tree for DPS, then make the tier DPS set better used by another tree.
Yeah, as I recall a lot of the stats currently on tier 5 seem... questionable. I hope they're tweaking things. P.S. lol priest critz!
I dunno, actually. It's not really for shadow, but more towards Smite Magery, where crits are a big thing due to Surge of Light.
Pegging a enemy for 1800 from a Holy Fire crit, and instantly following up with a 1000-damage Smite that cost no mana? Before the mob even gets moving towards you? It's pretty hot.
(And, on the current beta, where the Surged spell can *still* crit, and proc itself again... oof. Things just *die*. Screw Shadow, it's completely un-necessary.)
Current record for me is a 2200-point Holy Fire crit.
It's completely illogical to make one tree for DPS, then make the tier DPS set better used by another tree.
Blizz has a track record of doing that with the classes. Your first or second tier they give you damage gear and you need utility/healing gear. Then you hit the next tier where you'd better be served with damage and they throw the utility/heal gear at you.
I don't see why they didn't just take the armor of each class, make it 3 colors to represent the 3 trees and allow you to select what kind of armor you -need-. How? I guess you could hand it off to NPC's like Asheron's Call did with Shadow Armor. Make whatever choice you pick locked in at.....3 months? For reasons I have never understood they go out of their way to make things as nonsensical as possible.
I dunno. Regardless of how poorly itemized Tier 5 is, it's still not better for holy DPS than shadow is. Shadow has always been better. The calibur of gear needed for the kind of burst damage from smite that people drool over is vastly more difficult to obtain than gear which would see a similar level of DPS for shadow.
A Holy Fire crit of 2200? My mind blasts in beta crit for ~2300 regularly, with a quarter of the cast time. Add an extra 20% damage from Shadow Vulnerability and Misery, and a SW: Pain that ticks for ~400, and you quickly kick the shit out of holy DPS builds, especially in a raiding situation.
I dunno. Regardless of how poorly itemized Tier 5 is, it's still not better for holy DPS than shadow is. Shadow has always been better. The calibur of gear needed for the kind of burst damage from smite that people drool over is vastly more difficult to obtain than gear which would see a similar level of DPS for shadow.
A Holy Fire crit of 2200? My mind blasts in beta crit for ~2300 regularly, with a quarter of the cast time. Add an extra 20% damage from Shadow Vulnerability and Misery, and a SW: Pain that ticks for ~400, and you quickly kick the shit out of holy DPS builds, especially in a raiding situation.
With more utility than a smite build in a raiding situation too.
Hey, anyone in Beta been playing around with the mass dispel spell? Curious to know how it works. I guess they're saying it dispels Pally bubbles (finally), how does it work against Ice Block? What about, say, Cloak of Shadows? IS that also dispellable?
Hey, anyone in Beta been playing around with the mass dispel spell? Curious to know how it works. I guess they're saying it dispels Pally bubbles (finally), how does it work against Ice Block? What about, say, Cloak of Shadows? IS that also dispellable?
It dispells Ice Block. Not entirely sure about CoS, but I assume so. I'm this close from 70, but since 2.01 I havn't played. I'd completely forgotten about mass dispel. I might level up to test it out.
I dunno. Regardless of how poorly itemized Tier 5 is, it's still not better for holy DPS than shadow is. Shadow has always been better. The calibur of gear needed for the kind of burst damage from smite that people drool over is vastly more difficult to obtain than gear which would see a similar level of DPS for shadow.
A Holy Fire crit of 2200? My mind blasts in beta crit for ~2300 regularly, with a quarter of the cast time. Add an extra 20% damage from Shadow Vulnerability and Misery, and a SW: Pain that ticks for ~400, and you quickly kick the shit out of holy DPS builds, especially in a raiding situation.
*shrugs* Maybe, although we're missing the big point that shadow's lame.
Plus, it's not like Shadow can chain-Surge three times in a row for around 1300 a piece, for absolutely no mana. Stuff like that's just fun. I tried fiddling with shadow a bit, but I got horribly bored with it, and just wasn't seeing the damage people always brag about.
I'm just glad that they've made it so that different playstyles are actually well supported.
On a completely unrelated note, picked up a Epoch-Mender tonight in CoT, and quite enjoying it.
And, holy crap, Prayer of Mending is awesome.
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I dunno. Regardless of how poorly itemized Tier 5 is, it's still not better for holy DPS than shadow is. Shadow has always been better. The calibur of gear needed for the kind of burst damage from smite that people drool over is vastly more difficult to obtain than gear which would see a similar level of DPS for shadow.
A Holy Fire crit of 2200? My mind blasts in beta crit for ~2300 regularly, with a quarter of the cast time. Add an extra 20% damage from Shadow Vulnerability and Misery, and a SW: Pain that ticks for ~400, and you quickly kick the shit out of holy DPS builds, especially in a raiding situation.
*shrugs* Maybe, although we're missing the big point that shadow's lame.
Plus, it's not like Shadow can chain-Surge three times in a row for around 1300 a piece, for absolutely no mana. Stuff like that's just fun. I tried fiddling with shadow a bit, but I got horribly bored with it, and just wasn't seeing the damage people always brag about.
The damage is in the DoT's; Mindflay and SW:Pain. You don't see the burst of other classes (or a holy DPS build, I guess :roll:), but it's just... more.
I guess I missed the memo where one build being vastly superior for DPS than another made it "lame".
Yep, smite used to be very competitive DPS and burst (though way more mana intensive) to shadow pre-patch at around +500 damage with a healthy pool of crit, but I don't think it can be competitve at any +damage available with non-expansion gear with the buffs to the tree through gems like Focused Mind, Misery, and VT.
A smite build can be competitve in damage with enough +damage. Unfortunately, enough +damage is a lot. On top of that your utility spells are less when soloing since you don't have silence, mind flay, or reduced timer psychic scream. I'm not saying smite builds are dumb at all as they aren't. But saying a smite build is a better dps build than shadow is pretty silly and always will be. However, you can heal yourself without shifting out of a form and you get utility from that.
and seeing most of the same problems from a year ago still unaddressed, and Tseric somewhat missing the point entirely despite his good faith effort to listen and understand..... well I'm thinking of holding off on my priest since the healing aspect and survivability is still somewhat sub par. =\
and seeing most of the same problems from a year ago still unaddressed, and Tseric somewhat missing the point entirely despite his good faith effort to listen and understand..... well I'm thinking of holding off on my priest since the healing aspect and survivability is still somewhat sub par. =\
As far as I'm aware holy priest survivability has been vastly improved. Dehumanized could say better than I could, but it sounded like he's been getting by alot better than pre-2.01.
and seeing most of the same problems from a year ago still unaddressed, and Tseric somewhat missing the point entirely despite his good faith effort to listen and understand..... well I'm thinking of holding off on my priest since the healing aspect and survivability is still somewhat sub par. =\
As far as I'm aware holy priest survivability has been vastly improved. Dehumanized could say better than I could, but it sounded like he's been getting by alot better than pre-2.01.
It's 50% that I'm fully pvp specced, 50% that I have a 5k health pool...
But Blessed Resilience, combined with SoR/Blessed Recovery/Focused Casting is absolutely amazing for my survivability. I run out of mana far more often than health in PvP, and when I do die I can keep my teammates up long enough for reinforcements.
Many priests with middling gear or a more PvE oriented spec are hurting compared to where they were pre-patch, though. DPS in general has certainly increased, and priests end up a very ripe target for most classes unless they're in a situation like me (that is, well geared and optimally specced).
and seeing most of the same problems from a year ago still unaddressed, and Tseric somewhat missing the point entirely despite his good faith effort to listen and understand..... well I'm thinking of holding off on my priest since the healing aspect and survivability is still somewhat sub par. =\
As far as I'm aware holy priest survivability has been vastly improved. Dehumanized could say better than I could, but it sounded like he's been getting by alot better than pre-2.01.
It's 50% that I'm fully pvp specced, 50% that I have a 5k health pool...
But Blessed Resilience, combined with SoR/Blessed Recovery/Focused Casting is absolutely amazing for my survivability. I run out of mana far more often than health in PvP, and when I do die I can keep my teammates up long enough for reinforcements.
Many priests with middling gear or a more PvE oriented spec are hurting compared to where they were pre-patch, though. DPS in general has certainly increased, and priests end up a very ripe target for most classes unless they're in a situation like me (that is, well geared and optimally specced).
Extremely well put. I can survive 10X better than I used to be able to, granted I am also pvp spec'd holy. I've survived countless times thanks to focus casting and BR ticking at the same time. And like Dehumanized said I'm usually out of mana before health, and I have 1k health less than he does (hopefully soon to change with some warlord gear). This is truthfully the kind of pvp spec I wanted when I rolled a priest, I am happy.
I was thinking that too, since my guild is small and we'll be mostly doing 5-10 man instances. It'll give me Divine Spirit along with the 10% max mana boost as well as the +25% of my Spirit to +healing. Clearcasting is nice though, which is really the only thing from late Holy that I'd want. I found Circle of Healing at level 70 to be a bit of a joke.
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I was thinking that too, since my guild is small and we'll be mostly doing 5-10 man instances. It'll give me Divine Spirit along with the 10% max mana boost as well as the +25% of my Spirit to +healing. Clearcasting is nice though, which is really the only thing from late Holy that I'd want. I found Circle of Healing at level 70 to be a bit of a joke.
I specced Clearcasting for one night. My only comment on it is that I'm glad that respecs on BC are one copper .
I was thinking that too, since my guild is small and we'll be mostly doing 5-10 man instances. It'll give me Divine Spirit along with the 10% max mana boost as well as the +25% of my Spirit to +healing. Clearcasting is nice though, which is really the only thing from late Holy that I'd want. I found Circle of Healing at level 70 to be a bit of a joke.
I specced Clearcasting for one night. My only comment on it is that I'm glad that respecs on BC are one copper .
I had fun with Clearcasting, but the problem at level 60 is that I still use Heal a lot, since I don't raid much for a need to use Greater Heal, so it didn't proc a lot. I'm mostly Disc right for for a tad bit more PvP survivability since my gear sucks for it, but I'm probably going to switch back to that third spec I listed.
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Hey guys... I recently rolled an Undead Priest on Darrowmere (newish server) and I'm an officer in a guild that is planning on moving towards raiding as soon as our members level up high enough. I'm currently level 45, and talent-wise I have 5/5 Imp Wands and Shadow spec up to Shadowform.
So far I have had an easy time healing 5-man groups, up to Uldaman and ZF, as a Shadow Priest. I mostly dps and use Vampiric Embrace to keep the group up, throwing out spot heals to the tank and any aggro-magnets when needed.
My question is... at what point will I need to respec Holy? I plan on hitting 60 the week before the expansion comes out... should I just stay Shadow to level to 70?
Also... should I keep putting my talents into Shadow, or should I start putting them in Holy and Disc? Vampiric Touch sounds nice though.
Any advice to a noob healer? My main is a Rogue, so this will be my second level 60... and because I'm a guild officer, I'm really feeling the pressure to get to 60 and catch up with everyone before the expansion so I won't be behind in the rush to 70... lol. So yeah, advise from the experts would be great!
Hey guys... I recently rolled an Undead Priest on Darrowmere (newish server) and I'm an officer in a guild that is planning on moving towards raiding as soon as our members level up high enough. I'm currently level 45, and talent-wise I have 5/5 Imp Wands and Shadow spec up to Shadowform.
So far I have had an easy time healing 5-man groups, up to Uldaman and ZF, as a Shadow Priest. I mostly dps and use Vampiric Embrace to keep the group up, throwing out spot heals to the tank and any aggro-magnets when needed.
My question is... at what point will I need to respec Holy? I plan on hitting 60 the week before the expansion comes out... should I just stay Shadow to level to 70?
Also... should I keep putting my talents into Shadow, or should I start putting them in Holy and Disc? Vampiric Touch sounds nice though.
Any advice to a noob healer? My main is a Rogue, so this will be my second level 60... and because I'm a guild officer, I'm really feeling the pressure to get to 60 and catch up with everyone before the expansion so I won't be behind in the rush to 70... lol. So yeah, advise from the experts would be great!
Stay shadow for levelling. Might as well stick with it through the expansion given your levelling pace. Even then, a holy spec isn't really necessary for healing 5-mans, and you can still keep with shadow once you've been 70 for a bit so you can solo grind out your epic flying mount money. Holy and heavy disc specs are a luxury in small groups; not a necessity, for the most part.
You will want to start branching your points out a bit. Be sure to get up to and pick up inner focus and meditation -- those talents are ridiculously good, and easy pickings. If you want to make a couple concessions in the name of instance healing, then healing focus (tier 1 holy) is a good spend.
Vampiric Touch is pretty good, but I still don't feel that it is required or even an enormous boon in soloing level play. You can easily go without it, and keep the option of a divine spirit opened up (which plays very well with spirit tap/meditation). If you find yourself able to shadow it up in groups, though, then VT becomes awesome, especially if you're caster heavy.
I levelled shadow all the way, and didn't have a trouble healing at all until BRD (54+) and beyond. From that point on healing became a bit of a struggle for me, although part of it is that my whole damn server is undergeared except for the select few (of which i am now a part), and so everyone takes a fuckton of damage while in stuff like BRS, Strat/Scholo, and they all have low HP's so you can't really wait before landing a heal.
Until you hit that point, stay shadow. Your not actually killing mobs much faster i found, as you are minimizing your downtime between kills because of the low mana cost spells.
I'm now 22/29/0 and liking it a lot, of course with the t2 gear and all whatever you spec is works, but having the cheapest possible renews (Selfbuffed ticks for about 430, for 394 mana, with a pool of ~6500) is a lot of fun in the new system.
I will also go out and say that a well geared shadow priest is crazy in a raid situation. Our healers fight over who gets to group with ours, because the mana return is zany. Warlocks are now banned from grouping with her because they always overaggro when giving all that mana.
I ran my first scholo run around 57 or so, and that was enough to convice me I needed to respec from shadow to holy in order to heal in high level instances.
you could do these places with no talent points in anything. you just need to know how to heal. none of the holy talents are OMG MUST HAVE, they're just sorta nice.. sorta. we're not a hybrid class, we've been designed around healing and being good at it no matter what your spec.
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I dunno, actually. It's not really for shadow, but more towards Smite Magery, where crits are a big thing due to Surge of Light.
Pegging a enemy for 1800 from a Holy Fire crit, and instantly following up with a 1000-damage Smite that cost no mana? Before the mob even gets moving towards you? It's pretty hot.
(And, on the current beta, where the Surged spell can *still* crit, and proc itself again... oof. Things just *die*. Screw Shadow, it's completely un-necessary.)
Current record for me is a 2200-point Holy Fire crit.
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My end result is to have a good PvP/Raid Hybrid, at least that is what I'm shooting for. So much changed since I left I'm not sure where to put some points for these new talents since I don't know what is worth it and what's not.
Guess I'll make another red headed dwarf. What professions are worth taking these days? Right now I'm interested in Tailor, Jewelcrafter, Mining, maybe engineering if they changed things that blow up in your face less. Suggestions are welcome.
EDIT Tweaked the above to this.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-priest/talents.html?340202013300000000000200000000000000000000503252210251123051001
Wait what? Surge of light can crit? I thought it said that is couldn't is it a bug? I might have to spec Lawlsmite to test it.
Blizz has a track record of doing that with the classes. Your first or second tier they give you damage gear and you need utility/healing gear. Then you hit the next tier where you'd better be served with damage and they throw the utility/heal gear at you.
I don't see why they didn't just take the armor of each class, make it 3 colors to represent the 3 trees and allow you to select what kind of armor you -need-. How? I guess you could hand it off to NPC's like Asheron's Call did with Shadow Armor. Make whatever choice you pick locked in at.....3 months? For reasons I have never understood they go out of their way to make things as nonsensical as possible.
A Holy Fire crit of 2200? My mind blasts in beta crit for ~2300 regularly, with a quarter of the cast time. Add an extra 20% damage from Shadow Vulnerability and Misery, and a SW: Pain that ticks for ~400, and you quickly kick the shit out of holy DPS builds, especially in a raiding situation.
With more utility than a smite build in a raiding situation too.
*shrugs* Maybe, although we're missing the big point that shadow's lame.
Plus, it's not like Shadow can chain-Surge three times in a row for around 1300 a piece, for absolutely no mana.
I'm just glad that they've made it so that different playstyles are actually well supported.
On a completely unrelated note, picked up a Epoch-Mender tonight in CoT, and quite enjoying it.
And, holy crap, Prayer of Mending is awesome.
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I guess I missed the memo where one build being vastly superior for DPS than another made it "lame".
For real. Smite build is funny and all but seriously you cant top a DPS shadow priest.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=55006548&sid=1
and seeing most of the same problems from a year ago still unaddressed, and Tseric somewhat missing the point entirely despite his good faith effort to listen and understand..... well I'm thinking of holding off on my priest since the healing aspect and survivability is still somewhat sub par. =\
It's 50% that I'm fully pvp specced, 50% that I have a 5k health pool...
But Blessed Resilience, combined with SoR/Blessed Recovery/Focused Casting is absolutely amazing for my survivability. I run out of mana far more often than health in PvP, and when I do die I can keep my teammates up long enough for reinforcements.
Many priests with middling gear or a more PvE oriented spec are hurting compared to where they were pre-patch, though. DPS in general has certainly increased, and priests end up a very ripe target for most classes unless they're in a situation like me (that is, well geared and optimally specced).
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Yeah, it was an issue in beta about a month ago, and is already fixed on those servers.
This is like, 100x more fun than playing a shadow priest in PvP.
one of us... one of us... one of us...
(srsly, though... I believe that makes 4 of our 6 currently active priests 18/33)
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It's 100% PvP healing oriented.
So far I have had an easy time healing 5-man groups, up to Uldaman and ZF, as a Shadow Priest. I mostly dps and use Vampiric Embrace to keep the group up, throwing out spot heals to the tank and any aggro-magnets when needed.
My question is... at what point will I need to respec Holy? I plan on hitting 60 the week before the expansion comes out... should I just stay Shadow to level to 70?
Also... should I keep putting my talents into Shadow, or should I start putting them in Holy and Disc? Vampiric Touch sounds nice though.
Any advice to a noob healer? My main is a Rogue, so this will be my second level 60... and because I'm a guild officer, I'm really feeling the pressure to get to 60 and catch up with everyone before the expansion so I won't be behind in the rush to 70... lol. So yeah, advise from the experts would be great!
Stay shadow for levelling. Might as well stick with it through the expansion given your levelling pace. Even then, a holy spec isn't really necessary for healing 5-mans, and you can still keep with shadow once you've been 70 for a bit so you can solo grind out your epic flying mount money. Holy and heavy disc specs are a luxury in small groups; not a necessity, for the most part.
You will want to start branching your points out a bit. Be sure to get up to and pick up inner focus and meditation -- those talents are ridiculously good, and easy pickings. If you want to make a couple concessions in the name of instance healing, then healing focus (tier 1 holy) is a good spend.
Vampiric Touch is pretty good, but I still don't feel that it is required or even an enormous boon in soloing level play. You can easily go without it, and keep the option of a divine spirit opened up (which plays very well with spirit tap/meditation). If you find yourself able to shadow it up in groups, though, then VT becomes awesome, especially if you're caster heavy.
Until you hit that point, stay shadow. Your not actually killing mobs much faster i found, as you are minimizing your downtime between kills because of the low mana cost spells.
I'm now 22/29/0 and liking it a lot, of course with the t2 gear and all whatever you spec is works, but having the cheapest possible renews (Selfbuffed ticks for about 430, for 394 mana, with a pool of ~6500) is a lot of fun in the new system.
I will also go out and say that a well geared shadow priest is crazy in a raid situation. Our healers fight over who gets to group with ours, because the mana return is zany. Warlocks are now banned from grouping with her because they always overaggro when giving all that mana.