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  • DeMoNDeMoN twitch.tv/toxic_cizzle Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Man I think I like my 360 better just because of the way it handles voice chat. #1 it comes with a mic, #2 is the fact that the headset plays only the voices, whereas on the PC my headset plays all the game audio.

    I have a 40 dollar headphone/microphone combo. And it's excellent. Much better than the 360 headset.

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  • MarsMars Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    nlawalker wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Jesus Christ you daft fucks don't trigger an enemy sentry when your spy is walking towards it so he can sap it

    How fucking hard is that to understand

    Sometimes you dudes are so invisible that your own team can't see you.

    Here comes that "everyone should have voice chat" thing again. It's as crucial for spies as it is for medics.

    "Hey, guys, I'm about to sap the sentry bank they have around the corner, so get ready."

    9 times out of 10 the spy will die, but in situations where there are too many sentries and engies for a spy to take care of, I've seen this pulled off (I can count the number of times on one hand) where the attacking team absolutely crushes the defense. Sometimes the defense will assume that a sentry bank is so strong that they'll all essentially turtle behind it. When one spy sacrifices himself to sap everything so the offense can land rockets/pipes/Sasha bullets, forward momentum appears so quickly that the defense gets rocked.

    You don't need voice chat to work as a team, you just need not to be a mouth-breathing, pea-brained idiot. It's not a huge stretch to assume that, hey, maybe that spy running towards the sentry nest is planning to sap them and I should hold off my current lemming-like suicide rush just long enough that I can run out when the sentries are immobilized and actually do something productive besides padding the enemy engineers' scores like the last 20 times I ran out into the same damn sentries.

    Yeah, so I've kind of had many similar incidents to Savoo's.

    Mars on
  • JonnyBotJonnyBot Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    jonxp wrote: »
    JonnyBot wrote: »
    jonxp wrote: »
    JonnyBot wrote: »
    jonxp wrote: »
    PAX pax PAX PAX pax PAX!

    You still mailing buttons, chief?

    I already did about a month ago. Everyone should have gotten them by now. Send me an e-mail at the address I sent one to you from if you haven't received yours yet.

    If you sent them, don't worry about it. Just means someone stole it. As usual.

    Unhappy panda is unhappy. Bad neighbors?

    Or mailman.

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  • rakuenCallistorakuenCallisto Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    SHF MATCH COMMENCING IN T-MINUS 10 MINUTES!

    just copy and paste this into console and away you go: connect 74.54.90.179:27020;password sammich



    :winky::winky::winky::winky::winky::winky:

    record: 3-1-1
    opponents: the sandwiches

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  • CohsaeCohsae Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Fuga wrote: »
    DeMoN wrote: »
    Shabooty wrote: »
    Jutranjo wrote: »
    DeMoN wrote: »
    I like to think of the pyro as a cyborg with a love of pink.

    CYBORG HELL IS A REAL PLACE. SHE IS A CYBORG. Durr.

    Oh god, the memories.

    Angry memories

    r u guise talkin bout bsg?
    pyro is the final cylorg

    Oh God is this related to that stupid Portal theory?

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  • BrokenTripodBrokenTripod Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Blarghargh, can't ever get into Job's or Jon's when Badwater is on and actually populated.

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  • TagTag Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

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  • BlueDestinyBlueDestiny Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Tag wrote: »
    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

    It's most likely just the fact that hitboxes will lag slightly behind players as they move. I've been meleed from at least 8 feet away as I backpedaled before.

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  • TagTag Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Tag wrote: »
    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

    It's most likely just the fact that hitboxes will lag slightly behind players as they move. I've been meleed from at least 8 feet away as I backpedaled before.

    Well I thought that for multiplayer. I was going by bullet holes in static objects for single player. IIRC, they normally line up perfectly with the dot on inanimate objects.

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  • jonxpjonxp [E] PC Security Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Tag wrote: »
    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

    1. Are you using a mouse or controller?
    2. Have you tried taking your rifle down to the range to sight it in?

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  • TagTag Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    jonxp wrote: »
    Tag wrote: »
    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

    1. Are you using a mouse or controller?
    2. Have you tried taking your rifle down to the range to sight it in?

    1) Mouse. I mean, I was doing fine with it yesterday. Today I couldn't hit crap and the bullet hole problem appeared.
    2) Heh laser sights are for wimps :P But I did do a virtual range on the first point of Dustbowl. Shots were swinging wide by more than a soldier's body width at that range, and the target locking the bullets were doing makes it impossible to compensate.

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  • BrokenTripodBrokenTripod Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Turn off your hax!

    Also, it could be a decal problem? Find a server with 1 other player and have him stand still and try to get a headshot on him.

    Though if it's just a decal problem, it means you sucked the last time you played.

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  • rakuenCallistorakuenCallisto Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    WOO SO I GUESS THE OTHER TEAM WAS LITTLE BABIES AND DIDN'T SHOW UP!


    come to shf's server to watch yours truely, PA crew vs. shf crew.

    connect 8.9.3.248:27020; password wang

    narf

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  • DualEdgeDualEdge Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So apparently I can't countersnipe unless I run up to the sniper and shoot him in the face.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Mars wrote: »
    nlawalker wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Jesus Christ you daft fucks don't trigger an enemy sentry when your spy is walking towards it so he can sap it

    How fucking hard is that to understand

    Sometimes you dudes are so invisible that your own team can't see you.

    Here comes that "everyone should have voice chat" thing again. It's as crucial for spies as it is for medics.

    "Hey, guys, I'm about to sap the sentry bank they have around the corner, so get ready."

    9 times out of 10 the spy will die, but in situations where there are too many sentries and engies for a spy to take care of, I've seen this pulled off (I can count the number of times on one hand) where the attacking team absolutely crushes the defense. Sometimes the defense will assume that a sentry bank is so strong that they'll all essentially turtle behind it. When one spy sacrifices himself to sap everything so the offense can land rockets/pipes/Sasha bullets, forward momentum appears so quickly that the defense gets rocked.

    You don't need voice chat to work as a team, you just need not to be a mouth-breathing, pea-brained idiot. It's not a huge stretch to assume that, hey, maybe that spy running towards the sentry nest is planning to sap them and I should hold off my current lemming-like suicide rush just long enough that I can run out when the sentries are immobilized and actually do something productive besides padding the enemy engineers' scores like the last 20 times I ran out into the same damn sentries.

    Yeah, so I've kind of had many similar incidents to Savoo's.

    But, on the other hand, tell me on voice that you're gonna go sap, and I'll uber you so you can sap away for 10 fun filled seconds.

    Seriously. A disguised ubered spy followed by an ubered pyro or demospam can take out so many sentry nests with ease it's kind of sad for the enemy engineers...

    Also,
    Asiina wrote: »
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  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    jonxp wrote: »
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    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

    1. Are you using a mouse or controller?
    2. Have you tried taking your rifle down to the range to sight it in?

    You change your cl_interp setting?

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    FUCK FUCK FUCKING SPIES WHICH I CANNOT USE FUCK THEM

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  • dingus xavierdingus xavier Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So what's the deal with this dropped due to slot reservation shit?

    It's annoying.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Maybe an admin logging in? I dunno.

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  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I know it makes me a terrible person, but dammit, airblasting spies so they mess up their backstabs then juggling them till they burn is the best.

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  • buddha1227buddha1227 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    TF2 only on the weekends guys, and holidays now guys.

    Fuck school, I want to love you guys more often.

    Tell Eric, I miss him. <3 !

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  • buddha1227buddha1227 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I know it makes me a terrible person, but dammit, airblasting spies so they mess up their backstabs then juggling them till they burn is the best.

    I want to see this all the time.

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  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Guys, I'm thinking of busting out an arena tournament. Either 6v6 or 8v8. No specific teams. When a team gets to 3 wins in a row the losing team is eliminated, then the teams are scrambled with the remaining players and this continues until there's only one person left. What do you think? It's a tourney that can be finished in maybe 2 days max, so no worry about inactivity.

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  • TagTag Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    jonxp wrote: »
    Tag wrote: »
    Soooooo, my sniper shots no longer go where the dot is... great :(

    Kept missing obvious hits in on the server, gave up and quite thinking it was just an off night. Then I just loaded it in single player (1 man server) to try it out. Shots are varying from the dot's location by significant distances -- mostly to the left, but not always. Worse, when the dot is moved to a different position slightly, the bullet holes still hit the exact same spot on the wall/object/whatever I'm aiming at as the previous shot, so I can't compensate.

    Any idea how to fix this? Tried restarting both steam and the PC, but to no avail. :-/

    1. Are you using a mouse or controller?
    2. Have you tried taking your rifle down to the range to sight it in?

    You change your cl_interp setting?

    Not intentionally. My solo tests were also with me standing still and against non moving targets.

    I tried playing on the servers again. Occasionally, every non projectile gun (i.e. every gun except RL and granades) looks like its firing twice each shot (its not). One shot lands where its pointed, and one shot veers to a different spot -- the game is registering the latter as the actual shot. This messes up every class, though not as severe as the sniper :(

    Blargh!

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  • .Tripwire..Tripwire. Firman Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hey fuckers let's fucking share our keyboard mappings. I made mine into a picture so that it's educational but also fun for all ages.

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    The reason I didn't explicitly identify the taunt key is because that function is assigned to every key that isn't already responsible for something. The numpad faces are shortcuts to the disguises, and I've printed out tiny portraits of the classes and taped them to the keys.

    Now you go.

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  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    you took all that time to make a diagram and forgot to label your suicide key

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  • iowaiowa Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    quack quack, tofu

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    he took all that time to make a diagram and it's pretty much entirely factory default

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  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    And why not use the arrow keys for engie buildings?

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  • iowaiowa Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    so how do you guys snipe?

    I do the old 'place dot where the guy's head will be' for most classes and only twitch shot heavies and snipers. I guess I twitch for scouts too.

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  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    iowa wrote: »
    so how do you guys snipe?

    I do the old 'place dot where the guy's head will be' for most classes and only twitch shot heavies and snipers. I guess I twitch for scouts too.
    I run up and machete them

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  • SuMa.LustreSuMa.Lustre Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I twitch everything. I'm a REALLY twitchy guy. Eating cocks does that to you.

    By cock I mean cake

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  • KagnarosKagnaros Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    iowa wrote: »
    so how do you guys snipe?

    I do the old 'place dot where the guy's head will be' for most classes and only twitch shot heavies and snipers. I guess I twitch for scouts too.

    click heads.

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  • Metal Gear Solid 2 DemoMetal Gear Solid 2 Demo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think I may have mouse acceleration. Never really fiddled with it, if it's on I'm going to try turning it off, see if that affects my scout and sniper play at all

    Anyone got any guides on turning that off?

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  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Having F bound to melee has helped me a lot.

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  • DeadlySherpaDeadlySherpa Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    just because you put so much work into your map doesn't mean I will


    My settings are the two sweetest words of the english language

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  • StasisStasis Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Having F bound to melee has helped me a lot.

    I just turned on quick weapon switch and use the number keys.

    1 for primary, 2 for secondary, 3 for melee. During normal combat I just use Q to switch between primary and secondary.

    Works like a charm.

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  • TyrantCowTyrantCow Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    you so crazy firman

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  • nlawalkernlawalker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think I may have mouse acceleration. Never really fiddled with it, if it's on I'm going to try turning it off, see if that affects my scout and sniper play at all

    Anyone got any guides on turning that off?

    TURNING OFF MOUSE ACCELERATION:

    (Warning - I take absolutely no responsibility for you messing up your registry)

    Do this: http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/69/1/Mouse-Permanent-Acceleration-Fix

    To test: Take the index finger of your non-mousing hand and plunk it down somewhere on your mouse pad. Quickly move your mouse back and forth, ramming it into your finger. If acceleration is turned off, the cursor will stop on the same spot on-screen every time. If acceleration is still enabled, the cursor will creep across the screen more and more each time.

    EDIT: This completely, 100% removes all mouse acceleration. If you want it back, make sure to back up the registry nodes you change.

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  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Stasis wrote: »
    Having F bound to melee has helped me a lot.

    I just turned on quick weapon switch and use the number keys.

    1 for primary, 2 for secondary, 3 for melee. During normal combat I just use Q to switch between primary and secondary.

    Works like a charm.

    Well yeah, its just nice having melee, right there when you need it.

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