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Should this comic book be banned?
jas
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After some sensationalised headline in a regional Sunday tabloid, this story made the national Sun newspaper:
The MP is pressing for a ban at the prison. The prison returned copies of the book yesterday stating it was being reviewed and for the moment would be on the list of banned material! Unbeleivable in my viewo_O - is there another side to this? I can't see it. I mean it's a comic book for crying out loud!
Can grab copies here at http://www.smugglingvacation.co.uk
Oh, and also I wrote this. I am a total site-whore. Watch me whore myself. Whore-whore-whore.
The MP is pressing for a ban at the prison. The prison returned copies of the book yesterday stating it was being reviewed and for the moment would be on the list of banned material! Unbeleivable in my viewo_O - is there another side to this? I can't see it. I mean it's a comic book for crying out loud!
Can grab copies here at http://www.smugglingvacation.co.uk
Oh, and also I wrote this. I am a total site-whore. Watch me whore myself. Whore-whore-whore.
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Don't want to shit on your thread but I think it's pretty cut and dry plus we all know book banning is bad territory.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
They give up their rights at the door.
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This mentality is why the American prison system is in the shitter.
Totally. They also give up their humanity, and of course, unrestricted access to that sweet, sweet butthole.
Seriously, didn't someone once say something about telling the measure of a society by how it treats its prisoners?
Maybe I'm wrong on that one, but the point still stands.
“The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons”
Dostoyevsky.
Thanks WH
"Yeah."
"Damnit, we'll get you your comic book, you deserve better."
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Jesus. I've been out of D&D for a while, but is this the typical calibre of reasoning and argument found here these days?
Place is full of irrational, knee jerk, anger. I feel like I've stepped into the Daily Mail offices.
No, the comic book shouldn't be banned. I can see prison libraries not bothering to stock it, which is fine. Whatever. It isn't exactly trampling peoples liberties, but "HURF DURF BAN THIS OUTRAGE" does make Britons in general look like fucking retards, which I'd rather we didn't.
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nope its cause we keep arguing about allowing them comic books. if we didnt waste our time on this crap we might be able to get more done. but i dare you to look back 50 years and say the prison system hasnt come 90% of the way.
as for the comic?
it really doesnt matter since everyone will have to change their search and hiding procedures for either of them to be useful.
unless there is some unaccessable body cavity that the comic book describes.
Sorry to invoke Pedophilia, it's not quite Godwins Law but I still think the point is valid.
Certainly not the other people they might be jailed with, nope. It's them dern comic books keeping them from rehabilitation.
I guess I have to join the "Don't stock it" group.
I'm skimming the comic book right now (the guy has it up on his site for reading) and I'll let you know if this changes but right now it's pretty pathetic calling this a guide book for smuggling drugs.
Is it really a guide if it's so well known that it's in a comic book. I'd think drug smugglers and drug enforcement agencies would already know about whatever tactics are in the comic.
Maybe it's because I don't really picture the comic book world as a bunch of criminal geniuses, but more along the Office Space-y lines of "I can't believe what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up 'money laundering' in a dictionary."
The only thing approaching a tip on how to smuggle drugs found thus far was that they got cannabis unto a beach at night using those little motorized rafts. Then the gangsters left it there over night. Some tourists stumbled upon it and took it and are now running from said gangsters.
Hardly seems like a tip book to drug smuggling.
What is that even arguing? There are already criminals - here, have more crime?
Sorry, but if the guy truly fancies himself to be an artist or one of literary merit, I doubt he'd care that it was unavailable to be read by his prison buddies if it is still available to the wider populace. If he does care that much and cares mostly about its limited distribution WITHIN the prison, then i'd say it sounds like theres an agenda. Either way, I can't see why it would be a big deal if Prisons didn't stock it.
So, really the whole thing is like reverse psychology...the prisoners read the comic because of the publicity it's gotten and learn how to be really bad at smuggling drugs, so that they're easier to catch next time. That's freaking genius.
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So this is all media sensationalism that has been drummed up in order to sell papers.
I probably should have seen this coming.
As long as we are aware of what prisoners are reading I don't see the problem in letting them read it.
The whole, "their criminals fuck them" mentality is stupid.
If they are spending all the time and efforts planning their next crime, don't let them out after serving 1/3 or 2/3 of their sentence.
Reading about other criminals/crimes doesn't mean they are determined to re-offend. Maybe they can empathize more with the characters in these books more and thats why they like them? Do you have a problem with criminals learning to empathize?
Even if you don't buy any of my other arguments, I still think criminals have a right to read whatever they want as a simple human right.
I don't find a prisoner losing the ability to read any non-illegal material to be a gross violation of human rights, but this is hardly the issue over which to make the argument.
If you ever need to talk to someone, feel free to message me. Yes, that includes you.
Human right may have been a poor choice, but you can't just deny people books.
They should probably ban Some Like It Hot and Sister Act for exposing all the secrets of how Witness Protection Programs work.
This.
Why is the OPs av and sig from the comic in question that got banned? Is this some kind of bad publicity/ site whoring ploy? Or is the OP really just that passionate about this issue? Or is he just a fan of the comic? Which I find hard to swallow because it was awful.
There are very valid reasons why we need to restrict prisoner's freedom of speech more than the general population. One of the major ones is that prisons are basically campuses for the national Institute of Criminal Skills, which contributes to recidivism. Freedom of speech does not apply to all speech in all situations; we have to make some reasonable restrictions on it, and I see this as perfectly reasonable.
And, by the way, there are two forms of "ban." One of them is to simply refuse to stock the book in the library. (Books in prisons are typically donations, so stocking or not stocking the book wouldn't have any financial impact.) A second one is to deny anybody give it to a prisoner. In California (and, I suspect, in other places as well) I can give a book to a prisoner as long as it is ordered and shipped directly from an approved vendor or publisher. However, all packages are inspected before they're given to the prisoner, and if the DOC disapproves of the content - for instance, if it were pornographic - they'll just send it back. Officially, anyway. I think it's more likely to get thrown away or taken home by one of the guards.
I just wanted to clear that up a bit.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
So, wait. jas = Jason Wilson?
Yeah, thanks for the full disclosure, dude.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The problem is not the restriction of rights... it's freaking prison, that should be the very definition of restriction. The problem is the people who think that being a prisoner means you have lost ALL your rights, and can be treated however someone else wants. These are also the people who seem to think that every prisoner is a child rapist. It's thinking like that which helps keep recidivism rates so high.
As for the comic, seriously, are prisoners even clamoring for this crap?