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If you are running out of ways to add new fees, just charge them for cashing a check!

BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
edited August 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Saw this on another forum. Wtf? I know they are doing you a service by cashing that check but aren't checks federally recognized as monetary instruments? Most people have bank accounts and I know your bank is not going to charge you for it but what about those who don't have bank accounts? Some people live in deepshit places where they are limited to 1 or 2 banks at most and may not have the funds to keep a checking account open at all times (at BOA).

And the fact that this only applies to certain states makes me wonder whether other states have laws forbidding this sort of BS.
Beginning in September cashing BOA checks issued from a business checking account will cost you $6.00 if you do not have relationship with BOA.

This applies to CT, MA, NH, VT, ME, NY and Delaware.

http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/2008/08/07/bank-of-america-raises-fees-for-non-cust-1?blog=158

Edit: Also, take homeless people for example. There are certain criteria to open a bank account (residential address, valid ID, and in some states a utility bill, etc.) so how are they going to cash a BOA check? I am not sue happy but I think BOA should get bent over for this. Grrr.

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  • RaggaholicRaggaholic Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    A lot of banks already do this, even for checks drawn from their bank. I personally don't see why this is a big deal, but I have an account at a local bank that will cash any checks for free.

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  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ok, I guess I was right, there are already laws forbidding this in other states. Take California for example, they tried charing $5 there and had to settle on a class action lawsuit.

    http://www.rpnlaw.com/pressrelease020405.htm

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  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Raggaholic wrote: »
    A lot of banks already do this, even for checks drawn from their bank. I personally don't see why this is a big deal, but I have an account at a local bank that will cash any checks for free.

    Well there are people who cannot open bank accounts (ie. homeless) and there are some parts in the U.S. where there are no national big banks and the only local one charges a fee to keep your account open.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Stop using banks? Credit unions generally don't charge these kinds of fees and when they do, it's a lot cheaper than any given bank.

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If a place if fairly isolated and has only 1-2 banks, the odds of there being a credit union there are very slim.

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  • NintoNinto Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The US banking industry is still way too unregulated, even after all the S&L bullshit way back.

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  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    clsCorwin wrote: »
    If a place if fairly isolated and has only 1-2 banks, the odds of there being a credit union there are very slim.

    this.

    i lived in a small ass village in northwest kansas for a year. population: 400 including pigs, chickens, and cows.

    had only one bank and i couldnt open an account because they required a $500 minimum balance. i was 17 at the time.

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  • WerdnaWerdna Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    You should not be charged if the check is cashed at its bank.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Man, there are tons of banks that will not cash a check for you at all if you don't hold an account there. If you aren't a member, they're not responsible for you. What's the problem?

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Man, there are tons of banks that will not cash a check for you at all if you don't hold an account there. If you aren't a member, they're not responsible for you. What's the problem?

    This. The article says the fee is for if you walk into a BoA branch office in order to cash a check.

    You can still cash your BoA-drawn paycheck at Walmart or whatever for free. Until Walmart thinks they can get a piece of the action.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Man, there are tons of banks that will not cash a check for you at all if you don't hold an account there. If you aren't a member, they're not responsible for you. What's the problem?

    This. The article says the fee is for if you walk into a BoA branch office in order to cash a check.

    You can still cash your BoA-drawn paycheck at Walmart or whatever for free. Until Walmart thinks they can get a piece of the action.

    Pretty sure Wal-Mart charges a fee, too. I know we do (I work at a grocery store... we charge $3).

    And stores definitely should be able to - we're not banks. If you want to use us for that service, we're gonna charge for it. Banks, I'm not sure about. If you have an account there, absolutely not. If you don't, things get hairy. I'm of the mind that, since they're not making fees off you normally, then you should have to pay a fee if the bank desires it. They are a business, after all.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, if the check is for a BofA account they should damn well be required to cash it. It's got the bank's fucking name on it. That's the whole point of a check.

    Otherwise, the banks should be required to have the fee clearly displayed on the check, as if affects the value of the check.

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  • ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Don't Americans have to pay to even have a bank account?

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Don't Americans have to pay to even have a bank account?

    No. I left BoA and went to a credit union because they kept adding more and more fees. Was charged for using my atm/debit card more then 3 times a month. They charged me to use another banks ATM. Then they charged me to close my account.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Credit unions have been doing some crazy-good PR, because they have so many people on these boards sold on them.

    Listen, credit unions are not, strictly speaking, superior to banks. Yes, some credit unions are easier on fees; others are not. Some banks are easier on fees, too; others are not.

    My main problem with modern banks and credit unions, though, is that they seem to be tapping the people who can least afford it for the most money. It's a fucking scummy way to run things.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2008
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Don't Americans have to pay to even have a bank account?

    No. I left BoA and went to a credit union because they kept adding more and more fees. Was charged for using my atm/debit card more then 3 times a month. They charged me to use another banks ATM. Then they charged me to close my account.
    I've heard from a number of people that if you close an account with Wachovia, they will send you a bill for the amount that was in your account when you closed it. This is the only reason I'm hesitant to close my inactive account.. it's not like it's urban legend, I KNOW people currently in my everyday life this has happened to, to their surprise and horror. So I've just left it alone, and started up with a credit union that doesn't suck.

    Except now it looks like starting in October they're going to charge me for leaving my $10 with them because the account is inactive. My current plan: withdraw all but one cent (no minimum balance on this account) and then close it the next day. If they bill me for one cent, I will happily write them a check, which will cost me less than a dollar to send.

    Wachovia is a really, really terrible bank, and I have no problems believing that they kick puppies and spit on the elderly in their spare time.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Listen, credit unions are not, strictly speaking, superior to banks. Yes, some credit unions are easier on fees; others are not. Some banks are easier on fees, too; others are not.
    Basically every credit union in Canada offers free checking, debit, online banking and electronic transfers, not to mention a worldwide network of free ATMs, and in many cases you don't even have to keep a minimum balance. Unless you are rich or running a business there is no reason to use a bank when you could save yourself having to pay 2 dollars every time you sneeze. And you'll get to own a little piece of your financial institution.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Credit unions being member "owned and operated" gives the the ability to be superior to regular banks.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It does reduce the value of the check. There's no way around that.

    No one has a responsibility to cash that check except the bank it's drawn on.

    If you come over and paint my house and I write you a check for it, this check represents a service the bank is providing for me, not you. It's convenient for me because I can just keep a checkbook around and write out how much people can take form my account. It isn't conventient for you, you have to go get the money out of my account now instead of just getting cash from me. You aren't interested in the services of my bank, you just want me to pay you what I owe.

    If you take it to the name and address of the bank that's on the check, then that means you've arrived at the place where you get my money I promised you. If, at that point, they tell you, "you can't have all of it, we keep some," then you've been fucking scammed by me and my bank and the value of that check has clearly been reduced.

    No where else has any responsibility whatsoever to take that piece of paper. It's got my name on it, your name on it, and my bank's name on it. Me and my bank are promising to give you the amount. Not some amount less. No free-check-cashing service is promised here, so it doesn't matter that you are lucky enough to know a place that will cash it for free. That check-cashing-place still has to submit the check to the bank just like you were being asked to do, the bank just isn't going to scam them because they can afford a lawyer.

    To clarify: the bank is not providing you a service when you show up to cash my check for an account with that bank. They are providing me a service by giving you the money I owe you based on that little note that tells them to do so. A bank is providing you a service when they let you cash a check for some other bank, because then they have to go to that abnk and get the money.

    So this is clear lawsuit territory. They either need to charge the check-writer $5 per check, or print it on the check that a $5 fee will be charged when this check is presented. Anything else is a fucking scam and the banks should know that.

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  • YarYar Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I'd suggest that people taking a check to the bank it's drawn on to cash it is the least common method of retrieving the value of that check.
    I do'nt know if that's true. Regardless, it is the intended manner. If you don't take it to the bank, then whoever you sell it to is going to take it to the bank.

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  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Yar wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I'd suggest that people taking a check to the bank it's drawn on to cash it is the least common method of retrieving the value of that check.
    I do'nt know if that's true. Regardless, it is the intended manner. If you don't take it to the bank, then whoever you sell it to is going to take it to the bank.
    Well obviously. But don't a vast majority of people in this country have a bank account (checking or savings)?

    "Whoever you sell it to" is going to be your bank. Chances are, no fees involved.

    But like I said, without a disclaimer on the check I'd agree this is still lawsuit territory. And even with a disclaimer on the check it's a departure (and not a good one) from "how banks work."

    Well, a lot of young people don't have bank accounts, at least I didn't till I turned 18. And as I have already mentioned once before, openning a bank account requires information such as address, phone number, valid (not expired) state ID, etc... I don't think homeless people can provide all those. And having seen Washington DC, boy you have a serious homeless problem.

    Edit: Just reread what I wrote and I need to apologize for my shitty English, but you get the idea, right? :P

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Azio wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Listen, credit unions are not, strictly speaking, superior to banks. Yes, some credit unions are easier on fees; others are not. Some banks are easier on fees, too; others are not.
    Basically every credit union in Canada offers free checking, debit, online banking and electronic transfers, not to mention a worldwide network of free ATMs, and in many cases you don't even have to keep a minimum balance. Unless you are rich or running a business there is no reason to use a bank when you could save yourself having to pay 2 dollars every time you sneeze. And you'll get to own a little piece of your financial institution.
    Basically, every bank in the U.S. offers this, too.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Credit unions being member "owned and operated" gives the the ability to be superior to regular banks.
    In some ways, yes, in other ways, no. And frequently even if they have that ability, they don't necessarily use it.

    Larger banks benefit from economies of scale that credit unions generally can't take advantage of. Are there credit unions that offer fewer/lower fees than banks? Absolutely. Is it a rule that all credit unions are superior to banks? Absolutely not.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Azio wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Listen, credit unions are not, strictly speaking, superior to banks. Yes, some credit unions are easier on fees; others are not. Some banks are easier on fees, too; others are not.
    Basically every credit union in Canada offers free checking, debit, online banking and electronic transfers, not to mention a worldwide network of free ATMs, and in many cases you don't even have to keep a minimum balance. Unless you are rich or running a business there is no reason to use a bank when you could save yourself having to pay 2 dollars every time you sneeze. And you'll get to own a little piece of your financial institution.
    Basically, every bank in the U.S. offers this, too.
    True. But my credit union has a branch in 98% of the places I could be stationed.

    Which is more of a government funded monopoly, but whatever.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I'd suggest that people taking a check to the bank it's drawn on to cash it is the least common method of retrieving the value of that check. Well behind, say, taking it to the bank that they do business with and depositing it (which, since this fee only applies to cashing it at the counter, would avoid it altogether).

    Are you sure it only applies to that? It only says "cashing BOA checks issued from a business checking account will cost you $6.00 if you do not have relationship with BOA." So say you write me a BOA check from your business checking account. I go cash it at my Wells Fargo. It sounds like BOA can charge me $6 because I cashed a BOA check and I don't have a relationship with BOA.

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