Eldar are older than humanity, by around 60 million years or so. They were around when the C'tan and Necron were beating hell out of the Old Ones, but I think only as primitives.
But the Chaos Gods in the 40k universe weren't born until way after that. Khorne, Tzneetch and Nurgle were all born around 1400AD, and Slaanesh not until the 30,000th millennium.
The C'tan was the catalyst for a lot of things, including the Eldar. They were created to fight the Necrontyr and the resulting war indirectly lead to the creation of three Chaos Gods.
Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but I saw a Greater Daemon of Tzeentch just chilling outside of the entrance to the Apex in the IC the other day. It lloked exactly like the daemon that gets summoned at the end of the intro movie. Wish I got a screencapture, that thing was huge.
Yeah, the Changer of Ways are rare but they can be spotted. I've seen that one like 10 times already.
The C'tan was the catalyst for a lot of things, including the Eldar. They were created to fight the Necrontyr and the resulting war indirectly lead to the creation of three Chaos Gods.
I hate this so much. The faster GW hurries up and retcons this *implication* out of existence the faster I'm ok with 40k lore again. The Law/Chaos conflict is at the core of the setting and the C'tan being responsible for everything completely fucks it up.
Luckily the 5th ed. book gives me hope. None of this THE C'TAN ARE EVERYWHERE FOREVER bullshit.
And currently, the Chaos gods in both settings have litte to do with each other. Particularly with Slaanesh, there are major and irreconcialable differences.
I actually like that aspect of the 40k universe. Law/Chaos isn't really the core of the setting, because Chaos is only one of Humanity's enemies. They're not fighting a private battle with one type of creature, they're beset on all sides by everything.
The C'tan are merely another foe, not even the most important one, and their war with the Old Ones was just the jumpstart to everything. My only problem with them is the implication that Void Dragon is the machine god on Mars, and that all Humanity's technology is ultimately thanks to him. And if they handle this correctly, like making it so the techpriests have enslaved him rather than working for him, even that would be cool.
I actually like that aspect of the 40k universe. Law/Chaos isn't really the core of the setting, because Chaos is only one of Humanity's enemies. They're not fighting a private battle with one type of creature, they're beset on all sides by everything.
The C'tan are merely another foe, not even the most important one, and their war with the Old Ones was just the jumpstart to everything. My only problem with them is the implication that Void Dragon is the machine god on Mars, and that all Humanity's technology is ultimately thanks to him. And if they handle this correctly, like making it so the techpriests have enslaved him rather than working for him, even that would be cool.
Entirely fair; I just preferred the older Man versus Himself Law/Chaos theme made all the more tragic by the fact that ravening aliens are poised to wipe the entire species out. It makes for an awesome irony baked into the setting. Making Chaos just another alien flavor of the week (by eclipsing the impact with other Evil Ancient Alien Dark Gods) undermines this theme.
And Robot; I hate that so much. It opens up retarded theories (lawl Sigmar was a Primarch) and belittles the setting as a whole - if the Warhammer World falls, it's not the end of everything... just another planet. Next! Entirely reduces the epic scope of things, in my mind.
Well if you look at it from the 40k perspective in that WFB is a world they have discovered and know about then yeah, it's lame.
But the concept I really like is more from the WFB/unknown perspective. The people on the planet have absolutely no idea that there is anything else out there, so to them it is the end of everything, and at the same time since it is inside the Eye, it's probably unknown to the entire universe except maybe Chaos, who if they did know is probably just messing around with them for fun anyways
That is a cool concept; kind of a play on the old Lovecraft "things between the stars" idea. The newer implementation (of the warp somehow linking the two, which exist in separate planes/universes/turtles whatever) maintains this pretty neatly, I think, without undermining the autonomy of Warhammer as its own setting.
This way, you can still make links between the Old Ones, in both cases, but it sidesteps the "just another planet". It also opens up speculation as to what's outside in the WH World's alternate cosmology. Maybe the Chaos gods are so hot for it 'cause they've got everything else. Maybe there are other, new things out there (not just the same ol' Tyranids, Necrons, and 40k stuff).
That is a cool concept; kind of a play on the old Lovecraft "things between the stars" idea. The newer implementation (of the warp somehow linking the two, which exist in separate planes/universes/turtles whatever) maintains this pretty neatly, I think, without undermining the autonomy of Warhammer as its own setting.
This way, you can still make links between the Old Ones, in both cases, but it sidesteps the "just another planet". It also opens up speculation as to what's outside in the WH World's alternate cosmology. Maybe the Chaos gods are so hot for it 'cause they've got everything else. Maybe there are other, new things out there (not just the same ol' Tyranids, Necrons, and 40k stuff).
In 40k Chaos has either conquered or corrupted everything infront of them, so if WFB is a planet inside the Eye that has to piss the gods off big time, hell it would be straight up embarrasing that they can't even keep their own back yard clean (and the fact that "Order" is putting up a pretty damn good fight too is insult to injury).
The other day order had pushed to both fell landing and butchers pass at the same time. They had pushed fell landing first so most of the defenders went there. However it was just a trick and they locked the zones to butchers pass and hit it hard. There were only a few of us there to defend and they came in massive numbers. Took them 6 min total to get both the outer and inner doors down.
Case in point, my alt guilds combined have 16 bank tabs, and every single one of them is delegated to holding one thing (cloth in one, enchanting mats, ore/bars, etc.) and each one of them is in perfect order, starting from lower level items starting on the left, and the higher level items on the right.
When I was playing WoW the OneBag mod took care of that. Set up categories and it would sort everything to display in separate areas based on those categories, regardless of how the actual bags looked. It would sort your bank too which was nice.
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Or have I confused an element or two of the plot?
We have sung our songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea, I believe.
But the Chaos Gods in the 40k universe weren't born until way after that. Khorne, Tzneetch and Nurgle were all born around 1400AD, and Slaanesh not until the 30,000th millennium.
The Orks were created then too, and that's all that matters.
Yeah, the Changer of Ways are rare but they can be spotted. I've seen that one like 10 times already.
I hate this so much. The faster GW hurries up and retcons this *implication* out of existence the faster I'm ok with 40k lore again. The Law/Chaos conflict is at the core of the setting and the C'tan being responsible for everything completely fucks it up.
Luckily the 5th ed. book gives me hope. None of this THE C'TAN ARE EVERYWHERE FOREVER bullshit.
And currently, the Chaos gods in both settings have litte to do with each other. Particularly with Slaanesh, there are major and irreconcialable differences.
Also, the aforementioned Lord of Change:
The C'tan are merely another foe, not even the most important one, and their war with the Old Ones was just the jumpstart to everything. My only problem with them is the implication that Void Dragon is the machine god on Mars, and that all Humanity's technology is ultimately thanks to him. And if they handle this correctly, like making it so the techpriests have enslaved him rather than working for him, even that would be cool.
Entirely fair; I just preferred the older Man versus Himself Law/Chaos theme made all the more tragic by the fact that ravening aliens are poised to wipe the entire species out. It makes for an awesome irony baked into the setting. Making Chaos just another alien flavor of the week (by eclipsing the impact with other Evil Ancient Alien Dark Gods) undermines this theme.
And Robot; I hate that so much. It opens up retarded theories (lawl Sigmar was a Primarch) and belittles the setting as a whole - if the Warhammer World falls, it's not the end of everything... just another planet. Next! Entirely reduces the epic scope of things, in my mind.
But the concept I really like is more from the WFB/unknown perspective. The people on the planet have absolutely no idea that there is anything else out there, so to them it is the end of everything, and at the same time since it is inside the Eye, it's probably unknown to the entire universe except maybe Chaos, who if they did know is probably just messing around with them for fun anyways
This way, you can still make links between the Old Ones, in both cases, but it sidesteps the "just another planet". It also opens up speculation as to what's outside in the WH World's alternate cosmology. Maybe the Chaos gods are so hot for it 'cause they've got everything else. Maybe there are other, new things out there (not just the same ol' Tyranids, Necrons, and 40k stuff).
Like the squats?
What?
Maybe we just need more screenshots.
Being that tiny would be such a huge advantage in PvP.
MWAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
spoliered for huge
We'd claimed the keep:
It took them about five minutes to tear through it:
I'd have thought with a new game they would have found a better method of informing you that things are under attack.
This only happens when your guild holds a keep, and does so on a global basis. It's pretty useful.
DAoC was the same way and it drove me nuts.
Yeah, it could, particularly if you're out doing something else and a group is systematically picking off guards.
That said, the "# of enemies in area" count has pretty much the same effect, so it doesn't have to be that often.
First Nef kill:
A friend of mine a second before he got exploded: "He doesn't look so tough."
Funny, I thought the same thing while leveling my first character.
anyways, heres a random screen of my bank sometime before wotlk.
By falaria00 at 2009-04-29
o_o
I'm dead serious."
Case in point, my alt guilds combined have 16 bank tabs, and every single one of them is delegated to holding one thing (cloth in one, enchanting mats, ore/bars, etc.) and each one of them is in perfect order, starting from lower level items starting on the left, and the higher level items on the right.