In Pokemon, stat increases are determined by other things than plain old leveling up. Defeating fast Pokemon nets you extra speed points, defeating Pokemon with high defenses nets you extra defense points, and so forth. These are called Effort Values. There's a limit as to how many total EVs you can accumulate, and their bonuses are applied whenever your guy reaches his next level.
Rare candies give you the plain level up, but they offer you no EVs. So, if you level up your Pokemon straight to 100 without doing any fighting, you won't get EVs and won't ever reach your maximum potential.
However, in RBY, if you go to the trouble of maxing out your EVs after reaching level 100, you can still get the bonus stats by depositing your Pokemon in a box and then withdrawing him. The stats are recalculated after using the PC boxes, and any EVs you've acquired since your last level-up will be applied. I think. It's been a while.
I remember in Red and Blue, the best thing was finding a wild pokemon at a low level, they were always stronger than a higher level of the same Pokemon once they reached it in level. I did the Rare Candy glitch, and compared one of my normally trained pokemon to a glitched one, and indeed, the normally trained one was a lot stronger in it's stats.
In Pokemon, stat increases are determined by other things than plain old leveling up. Defeating fast Pokemon nets you extra speed points, defeating Pokemon with high defenses nets you extra defense points, and so forth. These are called Effort Values. There's a limit as to how many total EVs you can accumulate, and their bonuses are applied whenever your guy reaches his next level.
Except that in RBY there wasn't an EV cap. That was introduced later. So training up from low level would result in unbelievably godly Pokemon, due to the ridiculous number of battles won - and therefore EVs gained.
edit: and the glitch was something which allowed item cloning.
On topic, while I've personally never done this due to having too much pride and common sense, apparently it is an extremily common practice in X3 Reunion for people to set up a freighter trade loop or a lasertower array around a jump gate on a border between two races who hate each other and then leave the game running at 10x speed so that they can rack up the cash and the racial reputation, and apparently this is one of the best legit ways to gain money and rep because of how borked up certain factors of the game are.
That would be a particularly stupid way of doing things. Firstly, there'd be fuck all cash in a laser tower loop, and secondly the game compensates for this by dropping your rank HARD if you leave the game on SETA for any significant length of time. So sure, you might make a limited amount of quick money, after paying for the freighters that get shot down, but you're going to lose the much more valuable trade and combat rank. The laser towers idea is just balls out retarded.
So I was playing Skies of Arcadia, the Gamecube remake. I was about 20 hours or so in to the game, maybe a little longer. I had defeated several bosses and had progressed quite a bit into the story. And it was taking me ages to finish battles with all the move animations taking their time.
Yeah... I didn't know the start button skipped special attack animations until I was closer to the end than the start. I watched the lead character do his special dozens of times and if you've played the game you know how long the animations are.
I did this exact same thing. I only realized it during the final boss fight. You have no idea how many times I heard cutlass fury and alpha storm. I probably beat that game 3 times faster my second playthrough just by skipping those special moves. Could've been 4 times faster, but I refused to skip Gunslinger.
I can't imagine beating RE4 without ever running (saved my ass more times than I can count), but I did manage to get a few chapters in before wondering to myself, "Is there a run button?"
I remember trying to beat FFVII without using Haste, Slow or Barrier as I wasn't smart enough to understand that support spells are almost more useful than offensive spells. I only managed to get to Jehova I before I realized how much I needed them.
I sold all the Rare Candy in Pokemon Red because I was somehow convinced you get less stats from levelling up from Rare Candy.
I still believe that. My Lvl 99 Blastoise beat the shit out of other pokemon that had rare candy glitch'd their way to the top, or been in the daycare their whole game. He was 99 levels fought and earned hardcore.
In Pokemon, stat increases are determined by other things than plain old leveling up. Defeating fast Pokemon nets you extra speed points, defeating Pokemon with high defenses nets you extra defense points, and so forth. These are called Effort Values. There's a limit as to how many total EVs you can accumulate, and their bonuses are applied whenever your guy reaches his next level.
Rare candies give you the plain level up, but they offer you no EVs. So, if you level up your Pokemon straight to 100 without doing any fighting, you won't get EVs and won't ever reach your maximum potential.
However, in RBY, if you go to the trouble of maxing out your EVs after reaching level 100, you can still get the bonus stats by depositing your Pokemon in a box and then withdrawing him. The stats are recalculated after using the PC boxes, and any EVs you've acquired since your last level-up will be applied. I think. It's been a while.
So there's no downside to using rare candies.
Actually, if I read this right, rare candying to 100 is an upside, because at 100 you could curbstomp all the other pokes when getting the EVs.
In Pokemon, stat increases are determined by other things than plain old leveling up. Defeating fast Pokemon nets you extra speed points, defeating Pokemon with high defenses nets you extra defense points, and so forth. These are called Effort Values. There's a limit as to how many total EVs you can accumulate, and their bonuses are applied whenever your guy reaches his next level.
Rare candies give you the plain level up, but they offer you no EVs. So, if you level up your Pokemon straight to 100 without doing any fighting, you won't get EVs and won't ever reach your maximum potential.
However, in RBY, if you go to the trouble of maxing out your EVs after reaching level 100, you can still get the bonus stats by depositing your Pokemon in a box and then withdrawing him. The stats are recalculated after using the PC boxes, and any EVs you've acquired since your last level-up will be applied. I think. It's been a while.
So there's no downside to using rare candies.
Actually, if I read this right, rare candying to 100 is an upside, because at 100 you could curbstomp all the other pokes when getting the EVs.
Pretty much, but the end result is the same no matter which way you go.
Wasn't aware that there is no EV cap in RBY, though. That doesn't seem right.
And that is why I will never be a competitive Pokémon player. I also "do it wrong" by using almost exclusively attack powers, rather than status changers. My main Pokémon in Red was a Farfetch'd with Cut, Fly, Slash and Aerial Ace.
And that is why I will never be a competitive Pokémon player. I also "do it wrong" by using almost exclusively attack powers, rather than status changers. My main Pokémon in Red was a Farfetch'd with Cut, Fly, Slash and Aerial Ace.
Was Aerial Ace in RBY? The only never-miss move I remember in that game was Swift.
I would never dream of getting into truly competitive play either, though. Too much work. I have one friend that I play with locally, and the teams we usually use have stupid themes like "6 Pokemon with Explosion and Focus Sash," "same type for every team member," or "only use Pokemon and moves that are also in Smash Bros."
... roleplaying in MMORPGs, and then wondering why after several years of playing I'm still not high enough level to experience any of the real content.
In Gold I gave my Feraligatr Surf, Whirlpool, Cut and Strength. That's right, all of my starter's moves were HMs.
Now that is doing it wrong.
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I completed 1 year of in my Rune Factory game before realising this : When you hold a crop, you can put it in your backpack simply by pushing X. Because of this, you dont need to enter. every. single. potato. into your shipping box, 1 by 1. That's how I was doing it for my entire first year ...
Mind you, this is my first time playing seriously a Harvest Moon type of game, but still this is embarassing.
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... roleplaying in MMORPGs, and then wondering why after several years of playing I'm still not high enough level to experience any of the real content.
Were you one of those RPers that even went as far to try to pretend to use bathroom breaks, and eat regularly? I joined a RP server in WoW to see what's so different and my God the extent some people would go...
Wasn't aware that there is no EV cap in RBY, though. That doesn't seem right.
Well, outside a proper competitive environment, I don't see a problem - and I don't think a proper competitive environment was anticipated when Pokemon first came out.
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I didnt even tought it was possible to make such a massive harddrive.
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Tomb Raider 2 -- had two days off work - rented it to see what all the hype was about -
didn't know you could save at any point by going into the menu
Ended up getting past the two tigers, the spiders and crows, getting the key in the hole, killing the tiger that attacks making it inside the great wall....
...past the swimming jumping arrows parts, then running down the path with (I think) a ball rolling after me, only to land into a room with closing walls, then up into a crawl space... came out into a the swinging axe gauntlet area and got killed...
that took me about 4-6 hours, getting killed and starting all the way from the beginning - I finally gave up in frustration... only to learn about 4 years later I could have saved at any point I wanted...
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i remember the first time i played RE4 on the GC. When i got to the village at the start i ran around for almost an hour fighting off the zombies wondering what the hell you were supposed to do. It wasnt till I was trying again for the 6th time, X hours later that I found out going into the house with the shotgun is what triggers the timer to the bell ringing.
Someone on another board I frequent said that when she got her new computer she got 11TB of storage so she'd have enough room to rip all her DVDs
She was rather miffed when I pointed out that she would need several thousand DVDs to need that much space, and also that she was retarded.
Well, assuming an average of 5 gigs per DVD, and accounting for the size of the drive vs. the actual size of the drive (ie: 1 TB is actually approximately 930 GB), it would take about 2,000 DVDs to fill that much space. I have about 500-700 DVDs, so I could easily see someone really obsessed movies and TV shows having that big of a collection. And who knows, maybe she's got a blu-ray collection too, which cuts the number needed even further.
i remember the first time i played RE4 on the GC. When i got to the village at the start i ran around for almost an hour fighting off the zombies wondering what the hell you were supposed to do. It wasnt till I was trying again for the 6th time, X hours later that I found out going into the house with the shotgun is what triggers the timer to the bell ringing.
It was frustrating!
You can beat that section without getting the shotgun.
i remember the first time i played RE4 on the GC. When i got to the village at the start i ran around for almost an hour fighting off the zombies wondering what the hell you were supposed to do. It wasnt till I was trying again for the 6th time, X hours later that I found out going into the house with the shotgun is what triggers the timer to the bell ringing.
It was frustrating!
Uh... no it doesn't. Whenever I play RE4, I pop a couple villagers from the path leading up to the village, and then back myself up to the gate funneling them down towards me where they're easy to kill. It takes about 5-10 minutes for the bell to ring.
Someone on another board I frequent said that when she got her new computer she got 11TB of storage so she'd have enough room to rip all her DVDs
She was rather miffed when I pointed out that she would need several thousand DVDs to need that much space, and also that she was retarded.
Well, assuming an average of 5 gigs per DVD, and accounting for the size of the drive vs. the actual size of the drive (ie: 1 TB is actually approximately 930 GB), it would take about 2,000 DVDs to fill that much space. I have about 500-700 DVDs, so I could easily see someone really obsessed movies and TV shows having that big of a collection. And who knows, maybe she's got a blu-ray collection too, which cuts the number needed even further.
Man, people talking about or showing off their collections of movies makes me feel inadequate. I own about 15 movies total. I usually don't buy a movie unless it's really goddamn good, otherwise I'll watch it in theaters or watch it on Netflix.
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... roleplaying in MMORPGs, and then wondering why after several years of playing I'm still not high enough level to experience any of the real content.
Were you one of those RPers that even went as far to try to pretend to use bathroom breaks, and eat regularly? I joined a RP server in WoW to see what's so different and my God the extent some people would go...
I've never seen any RPer have their character go on bathroom breaks. Most RPers in WoW are too busy being angsty demon hunters, eredar, or murder-crazy warriors. Or cybersexing.
I've never seen any RPer have their character go on bathroom breaks.
I've done it before, when I personally have to leave the keyboard, often on my own bio break.
Well, that makes sense at least. I got the impression from SoulGate that he saw people just play it out, as in the player behind the character was still present and doing shit like, "/me drops trou behind the tavern and dumps a load."
Well, that makes sense at least. I got the impression from SoulGate that he saw people just play it out, as in the player behind the character was still present and doing shit like, "/me drops trou behind the tavern and dumps a load."
That mostly happens when you're dealing with someone who finds fecal matter particularly fascinating.
I've never seen any RPer have their character go on bathroom breaks.
I've done it before, when I personally have to leave the keyboard, often on my own bio break.
Well, that makes sense at least. I got the impression from SoulGate that he saw people just play it out, as in the player behind the character was still present and doing shit like, "/me drops trou behind the tavern and dumps a load."
Well, that makes sense at least. I got the impression from SoulGate that he saw people just play it out, as in the player behind the character was still present and doing shit like, "/me drops trou behind the tavern and dumps a load."
That mostly happens when you're dealing with someone who finds fecal matter particularly fascinating.
... roleplaying in MMORPGs, and then wondering why after several years of playing I'm still not high enough level to experience any of the real content.
Were you one of those RPers that even went as far to try to pretend to use bathroom breaks, and eat regularly? I joined a RP server in WoW to see what's so different and my God the extent some people would go...
Nay, I've never gone that far I didn't roleplay in WoW either, which I hear has taken a... bizzare turn over there.
I used to roleplay in Asheron's Call, a game that had a bit better roleplaying setup. You could actually write text in books (filling up to 70 pages), enscribe items with words that others could see, etc....
So for a while, I roleplayed as the poet of Cragstone (one of the cities). I'd sit in town and write stories about people in exchange for donations, and then give them the story/poem/whatever. Then, when that got boring, I roleplayed as the king of Khayyaban, one of the towns that no one went to. Using the outlandishly high jump skill you can get in the game, I leapt onto the tallest building in the town and demanded payment from anyone entering. I then started giving inscribed items to new players, with the enscription describing to them some kind of bizzare quest they should go on.
The only problem was that, in doing all of that, I wasn't gaining experience. So all of those monthly events passed by with me unable to ever see them.
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In Pokemon, stat increases are determined by other things than plain old leveling up. Defeating fast Pokemon nets you extra speed points, defeating Pokemon with high defenses nets you extra defense points, and so forth. These are called Effort Values. There's a limit as to how many total EVs you can accumulate, and their bonuses are applied whenever your guy reaches his next level.
Rare candies give you the plain level up, but they offer you no EVs. So, if you level up your Pokemon straight to 100 without doing any fighting, you won't get EVs and won't ever reach your maximum potential.
However, in RBY, if you go to the trouble of maxing out your EVs after reaching level 100, you can still get the bonus stats by depositing your Pokemon in a box and then withdrawing him. The stats are recalculated after using the PC boxes, and any EVs you've acquired since your last level-up will be applied. I think. It's been a while.
So there's no downside to using rare candies.
edit: and the glitch was something which allowed item cloning.
That would be a particularly stupid way of doing things. Firstly, there'd be fuck all cash in a laser tower loop, and secondly the game compensates for this by dropping your rank HARD if you leave the game on SETA for any significant length of time. So sure, you might make a limited amount of quick money, after paying for the freighters that get shot down, but you're going to lose the much more valuable trade and combat rank. The laser towers idea is just balls out retarded.
I did this exact same thing. I only realized it during the final boss fight. You have no idea how many times I heard cutlass fury and alpha storm. I probably beat that game 3 times faster my second playthrough just by skipping those special moves. Could've been 4 times faster, but I refused to skip Gunslinger.
I remember trying to beat FFVII without using Haste, Slow or Barrier as I wasn't smart enough to understand that support spells are almost more useful than offensive spells. I only managed to get to Jehova I before I realized how much I needed them.
If you got it to 99, why not get done with it and level it up to 100? That's the level cap in Pokémon, not 99.
Everything.
I also was in a high end raiding guild.
I was the first hunter in the world to get the bow off Vashj.
I was still clicking everything.
Actually, if I read this right, rare candying to 100 is an upside, because at 100 you could curbstomp all the other pokes when getting the EVs.
Edit:
Fixed.
Pretty much, but the end result is the same no matter which way you go.
Wasn't aware that there is no EV cap in RBY, though. That doesn't seem right.
I would never dream of getting into truly competitive play either, though. Too much work. I have one friend that I play with locally, and the teams we usually use have stupid themes like "6 Pokemon with Explosion and Focus Sash," "same type for every team member," or "only use Pokemon and moves that are also in Smash Bros."
In Gold I gave my Feraligatr Surf, Whirlpool, Cut and Strength. That's right, all of my starter's moves were HMs.
Now that is doing it wrong.
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Mind you, this is my first time playing seriously a Harvest Moon type of game, but still this is embarassing.
I know that now, but I didn't back when I did it.
Straight attacks are really all you need unless you play competitively.
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Were you one of those RPers that even went as far to try to pretend to use bathroom breaks, and eat regularly? I joined a RP server in WoW to see what's so different and my God the extent some people would go...
She was rather miffed when I pointed out that she would need several thousand DVDs to need that much space, and also that she was retarded.
Obsessive porn buff?
Or, y'know. Running their own search engine. I don't trust that Google. Spying on my search queries to IMDB and Wikipedia.
didn't know you could save at any point by going into the menu
Ended up getting past the two tigers, the spiders and crows, getting the key in the hole, killing the tiger that attacks making it inside the great wall....
...past the swimming jumping arrows parts, then running down the path with (I think) a ball rolling after me, only to land into a room with closing walls, then up into a crawl space... came out into a the swinging axe gauntlet area and got killed...
that took me about 4-6 hours, getting killed and starting all the way from the beginning - I finally gave up in frustration... only to learn about 4 years later I could have saved at any point I wanted...
It was frustrating!
Well, assuming an average of 5 gigs per DVD, and accounting for the size of the drive vs. the actual size of the drive (ie: 1 TB is actually approximately 930 GB), it would take about 2,000 DVDs to fill that much space. I have about 500-700 DVDs, so I could easily see someone really obsessed movies and TV shows having that big of a collection. And who knows, maybe she's got a blu-ray collection too, which cuts the number needed even further.
You can beat that section without getting the shotgun.
Uh... no it doesn't. Whenever I play RE4, I pop a couple villagers from the path leading up to the village, and then back myself up to the gate funneling them down towards me where they're easy to kill. It takes about 5-10 minutes for the bell to ring.
Man, people talking about or showing off their collections of movies makes me feel inadequate. I own about 15 movies total. I usually don't buy a movie unless it's really goddamn good, otherwise I'll watch it in theaters or watch it on Netflix.
I've never seen any RPer have their character go on bathroom breaks. Most RPers in WoW are too busy being angsty demon hunters, eredar, or murder-crazy warriors. Or cybersexing.
I've done it before, when I personally have to leave the keyboard, often on my own bio break.
Well, that makes sense at least. I got the impression from SoulGate that he saw people just play it out, as in the player behind the character was still present and doing shit like, "/me drops trou behind the tavern and dumps a load."
That mostly happens when you're dealing with someone who finds fecal matter particularly fascinating.
I would suggest avoiding those people.
:winky:
That's.. Kinda true for every situation.
Nay, I've never gone that far
I used to roleplay in Asheron's Call, a game that had a bit better roleplaying setup. You could actually write text in books (filling up to 70 pages), enscribe items with words that others could see, etc....
So for a while, I roleplayed as the poet of Cragstone (one of the cities). I'd sit in town and write stories about people in exchange for donations, and then give them the story/poem/whatever. Then, when that got boring, I roleplayed as the king of Khayyaban, one of the towns that no one went to. Using the outlandishly high jump skill you can get in the game, I leapt onto the tallest building in the town and demanded payment from anyone entering. I then started giving inscribed items to new players, with the enscription describing to them some kind of bizzare quest they should go on.
The only problem was that, in doing all of that, I wasn't gaining experience. So all of those monthly events passed by with me unable to ever see them.