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American Presidency: It's a beautiful day - Obama & Biden together at last

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  • Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    psychotix wrote: »
    McCain's views, aren't that off base for a Naval officer.
    I definately see where you're coming from about the views of a naval officer, but, from the article I linked on the previous page it sounds like he was especially incompetent:
    The instructor added that McCain was "positively one of the weakest students to pass our way, and received consistently poor marks and a number of Dangerous Down grades assigned by more than one instructor. He had no real ability and was clearly out of his element in an airplane, and way over his head even as a junior naval officer."

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hear, hear psychotix.

    And I always regarded the Air Force as the smartest.

    Hehehe...our ROTC colonel uses the "Air Force Smart" slogan :D. Unfortunately, they're all over us when it comes to GPA.

    Air Force does have huge TEC and INT bonuses.

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  • Rufus_ShinraRufus_Shinra Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I love how Right wingers slip up and accidently say "Barack Osama". But when Joe Biden makes a slip of the tongue, what comes out? "Barack America".

    Awesome. It's the super hero who runs on pure hope.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Hear, hear psychotix.

    And I always regarded the Air Force as the smartest.

    LOL Chairforce. Navy operates under different rules then the other forces because it's sea based. Breeds independent thinkers and maniacs.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    No maniacs in the Army.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    No maniacs in the Army.

    The Marines, which are an arm of the Navy (like the Air Force is an arm of the Army) have the biggest ratio of whacko motherfuckers as compared to any other service.

    Us in the Army... well, we're kind of the backbone of joint ops.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    I know 5 billion Admirals.

    You're focusing in on a minority of the Navy, the pilots, and pulling cliches out of your ass. Your analysis is full of shit.

    Having worked directly for an Admiral I don't think it is. You forget (or are just ignoratn of the Navy on all levels), most Admirals are pilots, it's the fastest way to make Admiral the most fool proof. It's run by the pilots. I think you know squat about the Navy and are just speaking out your ass.
    I definately see where you're coming from about the views of a naval officer, but, from the article I linked on the previous page it sounds like he was especially incompetent:

    This is true, and why we can hit him on other things than his rank.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    psychotix wrote: »
    Hear, hear psychotix.

    And I always regarded the Air Force as the smartest.

    LOL Chairforce. Navy operates under different rules then the other forces because it's sea based. Breeds independent thinkers and maniacs.

    Being on a ship for 6 months at a time with a no-fucking restriction would do that.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    psychotix wrote: »
    Having worked directly for an Admiral I don't think it is. You forget (or are just ignoratn of the Navy on all levels), most Admirals are pilots, it's the fastest way to make Admiral the most fool proof. It's run by the pilots. I think you know squat about the Navy and are just speaking out your ass.



    This is just completely incorrect. What rank do you have to be to command a carrier group?

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    psychotix wrote: »
    Hear, hear psychotix.

    And I always regarded the Air Force as the smartest.

    LOL Chairforce. Navy operates under different rules then the other forces because it's sea based. Breeds independent thinkers and maniacs.

    Being on a ship for 6 months at a time with a no-fucking restriction would do that.

    "Killing civilians with a gun is a war crime, doing it with a tomahawk is colteral damage, ie bonus points, stack em and rack em"

    sick I know

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    psychotix wrote: »
    Having worked directly for an Admiral I don't think it is. You forget (or are just ignoratn of the Navy on all levels), most Admirals are pilots, it's the fastest way to make Admiral the most fool proof. It's run by the pilots. I think you know squat about the Navy and are just speaking out your ass.



    This is just completely incorrect. What rank do you have to be to command a carrier group?

    The three I worked for were either rear admiral 1 star, or rear admiral second star. In all cases they were pilots, and the CO of a carrier, and the CO of the wing is always a pilot.

    EDIT: and every battle group we handed off to was run a 2 star who was a pilot.

    I'm correct, the navy is crazy.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    By the way, I wonder if McCain is somehow related to Glen Quagmire. They have similar jawlines.

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  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I wonder if the McCain campaign have really thought through the whole "Biden is Obamas biggest critic and he doesn't think he's ready to lead!" ad. I mean, if the man who even the McCain campaign agrees was Obama's harshest critic admits that he was proven wrong on whether or not Obama's ready to lead...

    Of course, that assumes logical thought. Never mind.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    psychotix wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    I know 5 billion Admirals.

    You're focusing in on a minority of the Navy, the pilots, and pulling cliches out of your ass. Your analysis is full of shit.

    Having worked directly for an Admiral I don't think it is. You forget (or are just ignoratn of the Navy on all levels), most Admirals are pilots, it's the fastest way to make Admiral the most fool proof. It's run by the pilots. I think you know squat about the Navy and are just speaking out your ass.
    I'm sure you did work for an Admiral. But, for one thing, one Admiral isn't representative of the entire Navy, and for another, you're obviously not that intelligent, so I'm skeptical of how much you've drawn from your experience with the Navy. And the experience I have with the Navy, being in it at the base level, contradicts the bullshit you're spouting, which is something you've probably picked up more from watching Top Gun than working for an Admiral.

    You're not a civilian contractor to the DoD, are you?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    David_T wrote: »
    I wonder if the McCain campaign have really thought through the whole "Biden is Obamas biggest critic and he doesn't think he's ready to lead!" ad. I mean, if the man who even the McCain campaign agrees was Obama's harshest critic admits that he was proven wrong on whether or not Obama's ready to lead...

    Of course, that assumes logical thought. Never mind.

    Also, if they're picking Romney it's fantastically dumb.

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  • kevindeekevindee Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    common consensus* is that McCain will go with Pawlenty. I really do hope it's Romney though.




    *the internets

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    psychotix wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    I know 5 billion Admirals.

    You're focusing in on a minority of the Navy, the pilots, and pulling cliches out of your ass. Your analysis is full of shit.

    Having worked directly for an Admiral I don't think it is. You forget (or are just ignoratn of the Navy on all levels), most Admirals are pilots, it's the fastest way to make Admiral the most fool proof. It's run by the pilots. I think you know squat about the Navy and are just speaking out your ass.
    I'm sure you did work for an Admiral. But, for one thing, one Admiral isn't representative of the entire Navy, and for another, you're obviously not that intelligent, so I'm skeptical of how much you've drawn from your experience with the Navy. And the experience I have with the Navy, being in it at the base level, contradicts the bullshit you're spouting, which is something you've probably picked up more from watching Top Gun than working for an Admiral.

    So you're resorting to personal attacks, fine have at.

    What you can't seem to grasp, is that the Navy is, for the most part, a strike force. We start the shit. It's about taking out targets and kill rate. Hence why most Admirals were pilots, it's all about how many targets you can take down quickly. Then send in the Marines and let the Army do clean up.

    So the Navy never has to worry about the clean up, the aftermath of what went down, that's not our job. Army does that.

    Thus, an Army General, and a Navy Admiral are going to look at things differently. McCain, is not that off when it comes to Navy thinking "can we blow the crap out all targets, OK then let's do it", and Clark was right about Iraq "yeah we can blow the shit out of it, but we sure as fuck can't control it".

    Feel free to keep insulting me though, but I don't think you know anything about how the armed services differ on war logic.

    EDIT:

    I was an E-5 in the Navy when I worked for Admirals, I did contracting after when I got out.

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  • PeekingDuckPeekingDuck __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    For what it is worth, my family is majority Navy and they think McCain is crazy as hell.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Looks like both military branches are quite capable of poking eyes.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm not saying that to insult you, I'm saying that's the reason I don't trust your view. There's nothing about being in the Navy that makes you crazier than being in any other branch of the armed forces. The Navy even has the lowest number of cases of PTSD during a war (for obvious reasons), and that's something that would make McCain's service unique within the branch.

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    By the way, is that a real bumper sticker design on the first page? Because it's elegant and I like it a lot. :)

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    By the way, is that a real bumper sticker design on the first page? Because it's elegant and I like it a lot. :)

    It's a legit logo, yes

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  • JustPlainPavekJustPlainPavek Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think Biden will be a good campaigner for Barack and I'm psyched as hell to vote for the ticket. I cannot wait to watch him in the VP debates — he is perfectly set up to puncture Mitt Romney's transparent phoniness, if that's who McCain goes with, and if it's Pawlenty, Biden will crush him on experience.

    That said, the only thing that bothers me is a slight concern that Biden, working from the Veep's office, might overshadow the National Security Advisor / State Department in advising Barack or in carrying out public diplomacy. Barack is a seriously smart guy and I know he's not going to pull a Bush and farm out all the actual decisionmaking to his VP, it's just potentially a point of bureaucratic / organizational friction to be aware of going into the administration. Anthony Lake and Samantha Powers are probably the top candidates for Nat'l Security Advisor, and I don't know if there's any back history between them and Biden or not, but it would be worth looking into.

    Does anyone know who will take Biden's position as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? I think it's usually (but maybe not always, depends on what deals the majority leadership wants to cut) seniority-based? ((edit -- I'm an idiot, Kerry is on there, he will probably take chair.)) For Secretary of Defense, my money is on Sen. Jack Reed.

    Ok, off to watch these videos now.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    and for another, you're obviously not that intelligent

    I'm not saying that to insult you

    o_O

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    I'm not saying that to insult you, I'm saying that's the reason I don't trust your view. There's nothing about being in the Navy that makes you crazier than being in any other branch of the armed forces. The Navy even has the lowest number of cases of PTSD during a war (for obvious reasons), and that's something that would make McCain's service unique within the branch.

    Yes, there is.

    The Navy does not opperate under the same rules as other services. Does not have to deal with the after math of the cranage they cause, and a "captain" (ie someone who runs a ship) is close to a god in power.

    Hence it produces rather head strong leaders, who aren't scared to take a risk, but who don't always understand the results of what they do.

    This doesn't make the Navy bad, I LOVED the Navy, still do. Great service and did a world of good for me. But Navy Admirals don't think along the lines of say, oh, an Army General. Because they do a different job with different goals.

    For McCain, yeah he's nuts, even by Navy standards. But his line of thinking "if I can blow it up the job is done" isn't that far off.

    That's something that should be brought up. That line of logic has it's place, but not in a CIC.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Does anyone know who will take Biden's position as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? I think it's usually (but maybe not always, depends on what deals the majority leadership wants to cut) seniority-based? ((edit -- I'm an idiot, Kerry is on there, he will probably take chair.)) For Secretary of Defense, my money is on Sen. Jack Reed.

    Dodd would take the chair.

    He's got Kerry by four years on seniority. And seniority generally speaking determines the chair, unless the senior member is reallly old/senile.

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  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I've been saying it'll be Pawlenty since the day McCain clinched. But I've also been saying Obama would pick Hillary or Powell. So I don't get to cackle and croak "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen."

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Man, I didn't realize Joe Biden had so many fans. I remember first hearing about him on the Daily Show when he was schooling the neocons on the Geneva convention. Later I checked out his wikipedia entry, and thought, "Damn, this dude is pretty hardcore."

    Obama's decision to pick Biden should be as awesome as Gore's decision to pick Lieberman was terrible. Obama/Biden is like the anti-Gore/Lieberman ticket, and should be a great change of pace from the last two elections.

    Obama is afraid to get his hands dirty. Joe Biden isn't.

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  • Smug DucklingSmug Duckling Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I love how Right wingers slip up and accidently say "Barack Osama". But when Joe Biden makes a slip of the tongue, what comes out? "Barack America".

    Awesome. It's the super hero who runs on pure hope.

    So does that make him Mr. America?

    Awesome.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Heh, BlO JoB

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I've been saying it'll be Pawlenty since the day McCain clinched. But I've also been saying Obama would pick Hillary or Powell. So I don't get to cackle and croak "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen."

    Off topic, but Wikipedia says that Pawlenty has his own radio station. Is anyone else uncomfortable whenever they hear that a politician has his own radio station? Is that really a non-partisan use of public airwaves?

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Obama is afraid to get his hands dirty. Joe Biden isn't.
    Not afraid to so much as his entire premise is that he won’t.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    stilist wrote: »
    Obama is afraid to get his hands dirty. Joe Biden isn't.
    Not afraid to so much as his entire premise is that he won’t.

    Plus, it's generally the job of a veep to rip peoples throats out. Edwards was terrible at it, Biden is awesome at it.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ship Captains don't have god powers, they have command powers. They're no different from any other base commander. The distinction of their command is in the distinction of their ship to a normal base, mobility. In what way they operate their base within the larger framework of a war is still decided rather routinely through the chain of command. Yes, they get to be more independent how they run things on their ship, but no, they don't have "god powers". Not even fucking close.

    This comparison of long range warfare to short range warfare isn't analogous to the differences between the branches. Every branch uses long range warfare and short range warfare.

    McCain's Navy experience as a pilot is not going to do him a disservice as President (the being tortured for two and half years might, but not the flying of the planes or commanding a squadron), although it could be reasonably argued that it wouldn't be as handy as infantry experience. But you're not arguing that.

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  • TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I just wanted to mention that, as I found out yesterday at the reception, my new brother in law's father grew up in Kenya, about 25 miles from Obama's home of ancestry.

    I figure Obama and I are practically cousins, now.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    And the circular firing squad reports in.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I've been saying it'll be Pawlenty since the day McCain clinched. But I've also been saying Obama would pick Hillary or Powell. So I don't get to cackle and croak "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen."

    Off topic, but Wikipedia says that Pawlenty has his own radio station. Is anyone else uncomfortable whenever they hear that a politician has his own radio station? Is that really a non-partisan use of public airwaves?

    Um, I think you mean radio program. He has a one-hour show every week on Minnesota AM Radio (or at least he did when I lived in the Twin Cities). Ventura had the same thing when he was governor. Think of it as like the President's Weekly Radio Address, but with an interviewer.

    And I really don't think Pawlenty's the VP, especially if tax policy continues to be the McCain campaign's main hitjob against Obama. Pawlenty is far too easy a target as "the governor who let a major bridge collapse because he refused to raise taxes." (I know that's a somewhat unfair attack against Pawlenty, but can you really envision Biden, or MoveOn.org, or someone on the Left not pulling out that attack?)

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I can if it's unfair enough to offend people in Minnesota. So, is it?

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    I can if it's unfair enough to offend people in Minnesota. So, is it?

    Considerign the games that his administration pulled with MDOT, probably not.

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  • JustPlainPavekJustPlainPavek Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    geckahn wrote: »
    Does anyone know who will take Biden's position as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? I think it's usually (but maybe not always, depends on what deals the majority leadership wants to cut) seniority-based? ((edit -- I'm an idiot, Kerry is on there, he will probably take chair.)) For Secretary of Defense, my money is on Sen. Jack Reed.

    Dodd would take the chair.

    He's got Kerry by four years on seniority. And seniority generally speaking determines the chair, unless the senior member is reallly old/senile.
    Agh, really? I pretty strongly recall Dodd seriously botching a Pakistan question during the debates.. I suppose his job would basically be to bring Obama's legislation to the Senate so it wouldn't be the end of the world, but Dodd wouldn't be my top choice for Foreign Relations chair, that's for sure.

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