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American Presidency: It's a beautiful day - Obama & Biden together at last
I think it was earlier in this thread or the last where someone posted a youtube video of one of RATM's music videos, and it was of how Gore and Bush were the same candidate.
Fuck, they're stupid. Fuck them.
nonetheless, I predict a slew of YouTube montages of the Republican convention to the tune of "these people ain't seen a brown-skinned man since their grandparents bought one".
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I think it was earlier in this thread or the last where someone posted a youtube video of one of RATM's music videos, and it was of how Gore and Bush were the same candidate.
Fuck, they're stupid. Fuck them.
nonetheless, I predict a slew of YouTube montages of the Republican convention to the tune of "these people ain't seen a brown-skinned man since their grandparents bought one".
I think it was earlier in this thread or the last where someone posted a youtube video of one of RATM's music videos, and it was of how Gore and Bush were the same candidate.
Curiously, that was the overarching sentiment of that election, that whomever got elected would inherit a healthy economy and basically be a caretaker president. Nobody except the deeply paranoid (and, as it turned out, correct) knew that Bush the Lesser had the ability to be an archvillain. Nobody except some ignored CIA and FBI guys knew that 9/11 was going to happen.
Further, Gore of 2000 was nowhere near as awsome as Gore of 2008 is. He was bland as fuck.
While I, myself, was one of the paranoid ones that had a sinking feeling that Bush was going to squander our good will, treasure, and military lives, I honestly can't fault Rage Against the Machine for their beliefs of the time. Both parties were relentlessly corporate and often corrupt. It took 12 years in the wilderness before the Democrats got their shit together and started rocking out as the people's party. They still fall astray on occasion, too (see: Hoyer, Fucking Steny).
Couric asked about McCain’s answer when Politico inquired about the number of homes he and his wife, Cindy, own. McCain referred the question to his staff, who said he had at least four. Records show the number could be twice that, depending on how you count the family's properties.
“I am grateful for the fact that I have a wonderful life,†McCain said. “I spent some years without a kitchen table, without a chair, and I know what it's like to be blessed by the opportunities of this great nation.
Couric asked about McCain’s answer when Politico inquired about the number of homes he and his wife, Cindy, own. McCain referred the question to his staff, who said he had at least four. Records show the number could be twice that, depending on how you count the family's properties.
“I am grateful for the fact that I have a wonderful life,†McCain said. “I spent some years without a kitchen table, without a chair, and I know what it's like to be blessed by the opportunities of this great nation.
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At this point I almost feel bad for McCain. I keep reading his stuff and, yes, he seems forgetful as fuck. He's 71, so he's bound to forget shit. He's been in DC as long as I've been alive, it seems like, and I can't remember shit I did when I was 5.
I just keep seeing him being goaded on by people he trusts into a position he isn't ready for simply because he's about the only hope the pubs have for a president. I honestly think he isn't nearly as sharp or aware as he thinks he is, kind of an old alpha male being pushed along by all the young bucks because none of them can do what he has or have the kind of impact he does.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
Actually, you know what would be really great, if someone could do it? Going through and making a list of all the times McCain has invoked his POW experience. Or at least showing he's done it once a day since X, or something along those lines. Let the media start picking up on it, and then unleash that on the Sunday morning talking heads.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Actually, you know what would be really great, if someone could do it? Going through and making a list of all the times McCain has invoked his POW experience. Or at least showing he's done it once a day since X, or something along those lines. Let the media start picking up on it, and then unleash that on the Sunday morning talking heads.
They won't, of course, because speaking negatively of a POW is bad.
At this point I almost feel bad for McCain. I keep reading his stuff and, yes, he seems forgetful as fuck. He's 71, so he's bound to forget shit. He's been in DC as long as I've been alive, it seems like, and I can't remember shit I did when I was 5.
I just keep seeing him being goaded on by people he trusts into a position he isn't ready for simply because he's about the only hope the pubs have for a president. I honestly think he isn't nearly as sharp or aware as he thinks he is, kind of an old alpha male being pushed along by all the young bucks because none of them can do what he has or have the kind of impact he does.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
Well, there's the part where he dumped a crippled wife for a younger, hotter, richer chick.
And his vicious temper.
And how he supports using the same torture used on him, on others called enemies of America.
And how he sees making war as a casual thing or a joke (Bomb bomb bomb, etc.).
And how he's basically been handed everything his whole life by family connections and money, and calls on Americans to make economic sacrifices he's never been remotely near needing to do himself.
He's no Hitler, but if I had to roll all this up into one common failing, I don't think the dude has any ability to empathize with other people.
I think it was earlier in this thread or the last where someone posted a youtube video of one of RATM's music videos, and it was of how Gore and Bush were the same candidate.
Fuck, they're stupid. Fuck them.
I guess it's safe to say you weren't into politics during the 2000 election.
I was, and I thought they were douche bags for it even back then.
So the RNC website now has this little ticker on the main page that says "Time Until Biden's Next Gaffe", and it's counting upwards. It's currently at 12 hours, 38 minutes. Not only should it say "Time Since Biden's Last Gaffe", since that's what it's counting; but christ sake, have some goddamned dignity.
Not only that, but its grammatically incorrect according to McCain. They've got some nouns which is good. They don't need a verb since its only a subject. But they're missing their POW.
I was, and I thought they were douche bags for it even back then.
Agreed. I dislike lazy thinkers (South Park's political commentary acts this way now). The D party is far from perfect but that doesn't make them GOPers.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
This seems like a really charitable position to take. I mean, forgetting stuff you did 20-30 years ago is one thing, but there's plenty of inconsistency between 2000 (and 2004 for that matter) and now, too.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
At this point I almost feel bad for McCain. I keep reading his stuff and, yes, he seems forgetful as fuck. He's 71, so he's bound to forget shit. He's been in DC as long as I've been alive, it seems like, and I can't remember shit I did when I was 5.
I just keep seeing him being goaded on by people he trusts into a position he isn't ready for simply because he's about the only hope the pubs have for a president. I honestly think he isn't nearly as sharp or aware as he thinks he is, kind of an old alpha male being pushed along by all the young bucks because none of them can do what he has or have the kind of impact he does.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
Well, there's the part where he dumped a crippled wife for a younger, hotter, richer chick.
And his vicious temper.
And how he supports using the same torture used on him, on others called enemies of America.
And how he sees making war as a casual thing or a joke (Bomb bomb bomb, etc.).
And how he's basically been handed everything his whole life by family connections and money, and calls on Americans to make economic sacrifices he's never been remotely near needing to do himself.
He's no Hitler, but if I had to roll all this up into one common failing, I don't think the dude has any ability to empathize with other people.
Hoo wee fair enough.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
This seems like a really charitable position to take. I mean, forgetting stuff you did 20-30 years ago is one thing, but there's plenty of inconsistency between 2000 (and 2004 for that matter) and now, too.
It could be more of a thing that he's so far into it and guaranteed his Arizona seat he just randomly presses a button when it comes time to vote, too, and he can't recollect shit because he never knew in the first place.
WASHINGTON — In the beginning, Senator Barack Obama was not entirely sold on Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. And Mr. Biden told friends that he was pessimistic of his chances of becoming Mr. Obama’s Democratic running mate.
Over the course of two months, as the dynamics of the presidential campaign and world events shifted quickly, Mr. Biden’s stock rose through one of the most rigorous vice-presidential vetting processes that Democrats could recall. It was a process in which Mr. Obama applied intense secrecy, careful pragmatism and political input from a team of internal and external advisers that have guided his campaign from the start. And it ended Thursday with a phone call from Mr. Obama, who reached Mr. Biden as he was at a dentist’s office where he had taken his wife to have a root canal.
On Saturday, as the two men embraced before a crowd in Illinois, the new Democratic partnership made its debut. Yet in a moment that could have showcased Mr. Obama’s decision-making, his top advisers made a concerted effort not to disclose how he made his choice, instead choosing to showcase the life stories of the two men on the ticket and to present Mr. Biden as a forceful new critic of Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona.
“It’s a very personal decision,” said David Axelrod, the campaign’s chief strategist, in a brief interview Saturday. “He approached it in a very serious, sober and reasoned way.”
Mr. Obama reached the decision about 10 days ago while on a weeklong vacation to Hawaii. That week, Mr. Biden’s strengths in foreign policy were highlighted by the conflict between Russia and Georgia, giving his prospects a further boost. Associates of the other main possibility on Mr. Obama’s list, Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, said Mr. Obama cited the situation in Georgia in breaking the news to Mr. Bayh late last week that he had chosen Mr. Biden.
But people involved in the process said it was not just foreign policy that tilted the balance. They said Mr. Obama’s decision had as much to do with Mr. Biden’s appeal among white working-class voters and compelling personal story, and his conclusion that the Delaware senator was “a worker.”
The plans for the announcement began to take shape in early July. Until the end, aides said, a small team inside the Chicago headquarters planned for four possibilities: Mr. Biden, Mr. Bayh, Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia and Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas. Speeches were written, media plans were made and private planes were at the ready to take any of the four to Springfield, Ill.
Mr. Biden was hardly considered a likely pick at the start of the process. His reputation for verbosity was Washington legend. While he impressed at the debates by defying expectations with his brevity, his presidential campaign foundered and ended quickly.
“I think in his heart of hearts he thought in the end he wouldn’t get it,” said Gov. Edward G. Rendell of Pennsylvania, a friend. “During the vetting process you mostly hear why you wouldn’t be a good candidate,” he added, naming “the change issue” and “some of the things he said during the campaign.”
But Mr. Biden had some powerful patrons in his corner whose opinions Mr. Obama respected, like Mr. Rendell; Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, the chairman of the House Democratic caucus; and Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts — not only a respected Senate lion but also uncle to a senior member of Mr. Obama’s vetting team, Caroline Kennedy.
As the vetting team sorted through Mr. Biden’s financial statements, political statements and medical records, Mr. Obama’s top political aides — Mr. Axelrod chief among them — reached out to friends in Mr. Obama’s orbit to get a sense of what sort of politician Mr. Biden was. The results belied Mr. Biden’s reputation. Reports came back that he was not only potentially more energetic and disciplined than widely known, but also that he had a distinct appeal suited to the areas throughout the industrial Midwest where Mr. Obama had struggled in the primaries.
But Mr. Obama was seeking a running mate with whom he would be comfortable governing for four or eight years, a bit of advice Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts had given him.
“I get the sense that he was quite serious about thinking through about the nature of who his partner will be there and, I think, the role of the vice president as a future partner in government,” said David Wilhelm, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who worked on Mr. Biden’s 1988 presidential campaign and is close to Mr. Obama.
“I think it’s easy to give that sort of thing short shrift,” he added, “so ‘what kind of partner I’m getting’ mattered quite a bit.”
Much of the process unfolded in silence as dozens of lawyers completed their tedious assignments for the vice-presidential vetting team. They conducted lengthy sit-down interviews with at least six Democratic prospects, and they demanded thousands of pages of documents, including copies of speeches delivered more than two decades ago.
In addition to the four ultimate finalists, Democratic officials said, Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico and Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut were also among those who received extensive consideration. Teams of lawyers, at least 10 for some candidates, were assembled to inspect finances, medical histories and political backgrounds of the prospective candidates and their families.
In an interview Saturday, Mr. Richardson said that Mr. Obama called him soon after he claimed the nomination on June 3 to tell him that he wanted to put him on his list of prospects. But, Mr. Richardson said, Mr. Obama warned him that it would be an intensive process, and asked him to consider whether he was up for it. (After checking with his wife, Mr. Richardson said, he called back to say he was.)
Mr. Obama called to check in with him midway through the process, Mr. Richardson said, before his vacation to Hawaii. As always, Mr. Obama dialed Mr. Richardson himself from his cellphone. Mr. Richardson said he told Mr. Obama that he had not seen his name on lists in the news media, and Mr. Obama responded by saying, “No, you’re in this thing.”
Mr. Richardson was alerted weeks later that his vetting process had gone well, he said, but late last week — he would not say exactly when — Mr. Obama called to thank him and tell him, “I’ve made up my mind, and we’re going in another direction.”
In the waning days, several people close to Mr. Bayh said he remained upbeat over the possibility that he would be Mr. Obama’s choice. He had met with Mr. Obama several times, and the amount of information Mr. Obama’s staff had asked for was beyond anything Mr. Bayh — who has been in contention for the vice-presidential position at least twice before — had experienced.
Mr. Biden, meanwhile, was viewed as undercutting himself with his own behavior as reporters staked out his Delaware residence. When Mr. Biden returned home in his white pickup truck from a garbage dump and made an off-color joke to camera crews last week, an e-mail message circulated among Mr. Bayh’s closest associates that read, “Keep talking Joe, please keep talking.”
Couric asked about McCain’s answer when Politico inquired about the number of homes he and his wife, Cindy, own. McCain referred the question to his staff, who said he had at least four. Records show the number could be twice that, depending on how you count the family's properties.
“I am grateful for the fact that I have a wonderful life,” McCain said. “I spent some years without a kitchen table, without a chair, and I know what it's like to be blessed by the opportunities of this great nation.
At this point I almost feel bad for McCain. I keep reading his stuff and, yes, he seems forgetful as fuck. He's 71, so he's bound to forget shit. He's been in DC as long as I've been alive, it seems like, and I can't remember shit I did when I was 5.
I just keep seeing him being goaded on by people he trusts into a position he isn't ready for simply because he's about the only hope the pubs have for a president. I honestly think he isn't nearly as sharp or aware as he thinks he is, kind of an old alpha male being pushed along by all the young bucks because none of them can do what he has or have the kind of impact he does.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
Well, there's the part where he dumped a crippled wife for a younger, hotter, richer chick.
And his vicious temper.
And how he supports using the same torture used on him, on others called enemies of America.
And how he sees making war as a casual thing or a joke (Bomb bomb bomb, etc.).
And how he's basically been handed everything his whole life by family connections and money, and calls on Americans to make economic sacrifices he's never been remotely near needing to do himself.
He's no Hitler, but if I had to roll all this up into one common failing, I don't think the dude has any ability to empathize with other people.
To be fair, he didn't dump her so much as cheat on her with a large number of women before settling on his [strike]sugar[/strike] hopps momma.
Policy is humanity. Just because its your policies that are f'ing people over doesn't mean you're not a douche for putting the policy into place.
At this point I almost feel bad for McCain. I keep reading his stuff and, yes, he seems forgetful as fuck. He's 71, so he's bound to forget shit. He's been in DC as long as I've been alive, it seems like, and I can't remember shit I did when I was 5.
I just keep seeing him being goaded on by people he trusts into a position he isn't ready for simply because he's about the only hope the pubs have for a president. I honestly think he isn't nearly as sharp or aware as he thinks he is, kind of an old alpha male being pushed along by all the young bucks because none of them can do what he has or have the kind of impact he does.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
A thread or two back, somebody posted an article from a guy that was covering McCain way back in the 80's when he wasn't very well known, and apparently the guy has always been an enormous prick.
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So I just got back from the speech. It was great, plus I got a sign out of the deal. I don't know how, but I managed to find my way to a pretty good vantage point, then to the area in front of the press riser. Camwhoring to follow.
A bunch of people apparently couldn't stand the heat because more than a few times a pair of cops escorted them out to open air, and somebody was taken out on a gurney. No pics with the candidates or autographs or anything. The crush of people was way too thick, but I probably got to within 10' before it became impossible to move. Wooo Biden! Now to watch the CNN video of it and see if I can catch the back of my head or something. A photo with my hand in it may well end up in history books. :P
You better start practicing now. Watch Countdown and take a sip of Mike's Hard Lemonade everytime Olbermann makes a goofy face. You'll work your way up to the real drinking quickly enough.
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There was a bunch. And apparently they don't stick with the candidate afterward, because a lot of them were just hanging out and getting Jimmy John's after it was all over. I guess a different crew is already setup at wherever they go next or something. A lot of them were pretty cool guys. And apparently they have no intention of ditching the suits for corporate casual, or blue jean Fridays.
There was a bunch. And apparently they don't stick with the candidate afterward, because a lot of them were just hanging out and getting Jimmy John's after it was all over. I guess a different crew is already setup at wherever they go next or something. A lot of them were pretty cool guys. And apparently they have no intention of ditching the suits for corporate casual, or blue jean Fridays.
Well yea, any job where the outfit consists of a suit, sunglasses, and a gun, is basically the best job a man could ever have.
There was a bunch. And apparently they don't stick with the candidate afterward, because a lot of them were just hanging out and getting Jimmy John's after it was all over. I guess a different crew is already setup at wherever they go next or something. A lot of them were pretty cool guys. And apparently they have no intention of ditching the suits for corporate casual, or blue jean Fridays.
Well yea, any job where the outfit consists of a suit, sunglasses, and a gun, is basically the best job a man could ever have.
What is Jimmy John's? Is that a regional thing?
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There was a bunch. And apparently they don't stick with the candidate afterward, because a lot of them were just hanging out and getting Jimmy John's after it was all over. I guess a different crew is already setup at wherever they go next or something. A lot of them were pretty cool guys. And apparently they have no intention of ditching the suits for corporate casual, or blue jean Fridays.
Well yea, any job where the outfit consists of a suit, sunglasses, and a gun, is basically the best job a man could ever have.
There was a bunch. And apparently they don't stick with the candidate afterward, because a lot of them were just hanging out and getting Jimmy John's after it was all over. I guess a different crew is already setup at wherever they go next or something. A lot of them were pretty cool guys. And apparently they have no intention of ditching the suits for corporate casual, or blue jean Fridays.
Well yea, any job where the outfit consists of a suit, sunglasses, and a gun, is basically the best job a man could ever have.
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nonetheless, I predict a slew of YouTube montages of the Republican convention to the tune of "these people ain't seen a brown-skinned man since their grandparents bought one".
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Curiously, that was the overarching sentiment of that election, that whomever got elected would inherit a healthy economy and basically be a caretaker president. Nobody except the deeply paranoid (and, as it turned out, correct) knew that Bush the Lesser had the ability to be an archvillain. Nobody except some ignored CIA and FBI guys knew that 9/11 was going to happen.
Further, Gore of 2000 was nowhere near as awsome as Gore of 2008 is. He was bland as fuck.
While I, myself, was one of the paranoid ones that had a sinking feeling that Bush was going to squander our good will, treasure, and military lives, I honestly can't fault Rage Against the Machine for their beliefs of the time. Both parties were relentlessly corporate and often corrupt. It took 12 years in the wilderness before the Democrats got their shit together and started rocking out as the people's party. They still fall astray on occasion, too (see: Hoyer, Fucking Steny).
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Noun, verb, POW.
I just keep seeing him being goaded on by people he trusts into a position he isn't ready for simply because he's about the only hope the pubs have for a president. I honestly think he isn't nearly as sharp or aware as he thinks he is, kind of an old alpha male being pushed along by all the young bucks because none of them can do what he has or have the kind of impact he does.
I don't like his positions, but there's really nothing here that suggests he's a bad guy. I won't vote for him, for sure, but people calling him a liar are people who have obviously never forgot a thing in their life.
They won't, of course, because speaking negatively of a POW is bad.
Well, there's the part where he dumped a crippled wife for a younger, hotter, richer chick.
And his vicious temper.
And how he supports using the same torture used on him, on others called enemies of America.
And how he sees making war as a casual thing or a joke (Bomb bomb bomb, etc.).
And how he's basically been handed everything his whole life by family connections and money, and calls on Americans to make economic sacrifices he's never been remotely near needing to do himself.
He's no Hitler, but if I had to roll all this up into one common failing, I don't think the dude has any ability to empathize with other people.
I was, and I thought they were douche bags for it even back then.
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Not only that, but its grammatically incorrect according to McCain. They've got some nouns which is good. They don't need a verb since its only a subject. But they're missing their POW. Agreed. I dislike lazy thinkers (South Park's political commentary acts this way now). The D party is far from perfect but that doesn't make them GOPers.
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This seems like a really charitable position to take. I mean, forgetting stuff you did 20-30 years ago is one thing, but there's plenty of inconsistency between 2000 (and 2004 for that matter) and now, too.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Hoo wee fair enough.
It could be more of a thing that he's so far into it and guaranteed his Arizona seat he just randomly presses a button when it comes time to vote, too, and he can't recollect shit because he never knew in the first place.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I think I'm going to make a drinking game out of how many times he brings that up in the first debate.
To be fair, he didn't dump her so much as cheat on her with a large number of women before settling on his [strike]sugar[/strike] hopps momma.
Policy is humanity. Just because its your policies that are f'ing people over doesn't mean you're not a douche for putting the policy into place.
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A thread or two back, somebody posted an article from a guy that was covering McCain way back in the 80's when he wasn't very well known, and apparently the guy has always been an enormous prick.
A bunch of people apparently couldn't stand the heat because more than a few times a pair of cops escorted them out to open air, and somebody was taken out on a gurney. No pics with the candidates or autographs or anything. The crush of people was way too thick, but I probably got to within 10' before it became impossible to move. Wooo Biden! Now to watch the CNN video of it and see if I can catch the back of my head or something. A photo with my hand in it may well end up in history books. :P
Blah blah blah alcohol poisoning blah blah blah ...
I haven't had alcohol in over five years. I'm going to be fucking floored, even if he doesn't over do it.
Take a shot every time Barack says "Change", "Hope", or "America Can't...".
Take a shot every time McCain mentions his POW experience or dodges a question.
You will die.
Let's play Count the Secret Service Guys!
I'm thinking 6, maybe 7.
That means there are another bunch of non-uniformed ones in there, too.
Well yea, any job where the outfit consists of a suit, sunglasses, and a gun, is basically the best job a man could ever have.
Might as well just hook up an IV.
Well without the gun and glasses that just means you're becoming The Man.
Doesn't the gun imply that as well? He'd just be 'The Man' that you don't fuck with.
Because he'll shoot you.
In the face.
What is Jimmy John's? Is that a regional thing?
Nothing wrong with that.
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I'm okay with that.
I understand The Man has good health and retirement benefits, as well as moderately frequent cost of living adjustments.
Unless you take time on the weekends to harass alien abductees. Then you're a Man in Black.
Anyway, what's with Biden's Bankruptcy Bill? Kind of makes him seem like a huge jerk.
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http://www.jimmyjohns.com/
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You could call the United States a region, yes.