I think it was earlier in this thread or the last where someone posted a youtube video of one of RATM's music videos, and it was of how Gore and Bush were the same candidate.
Curiously, that was the overarching sentiment of that election, that whomever got elected would inherit a healthy economy and basically be a caretaker president. Nobody except the deeply paranoid (and, as it turned out, correct) knew that Bush the Lesser had the ability to be an archvillain. Nobody except some ignored CIA and FBI guys knew that 9/11 was going to happen.
Further, Gore of 2000 was nowhere near as awsome as Gore of 2008 is. He was bland as fuck.
While I, myself, was one of the paranoid ones that had a sinking feeling that Bush was going to squander our good will, treasure, and military lives, I honestly can't fault Rage Against the Machine for their beliefs of the time. Both parties were relentlessly corporate and often corrupt. It took 12 years in the wilderness before the Democrats got their shit together and started rocking out as the people's party. They still fall astray on occasion, too (see: Hoyer, Fucking Steny).
There were also folks like me who paid attention to domestic social issues like abortion, the environment, gay rights, Supreme Court nominations, stem cells and so forth and thought that the folks claiming that a born-again Christian Republican oilman was fundamentally identical policy-wise to Al Gore were at best willfully ignoring those issues.
So no, it wasn't just the "deeply paranoid" who didn't fall for the whole "Bush=Gore" gibberish.
Not to toot my own horn or anything, but toot toot.
On another forum I read, I saw someone mentioning that Pawlenty has allegedly been eliminated for VP contention for John McCain. Anyone else seen this?
Also, are the only prospects besides him Romney, Ridge and Lieberman?
On another forum I read, I saw someone mentioning that Pawlenty has allegedly been eliminated for VP contention for John McCain. Anyone else seen this?
Also, are the only prospects besides him Romney, Ridge and Lieberman?
I heard Crist and Jindal thrown around quite a bit several weeks ago. Jindal apparently claims to have performed an exorcism and cured cancer, so he's out, but I don't think anything knocked Crist off the running.
It's true, though. Overplaying the 9/11 card hurt Giuliani's credibility, even with his own supporters. McCain could easily do the same. He needs to learn from that mistake and focus on his wins as a Senator.
Secret Service - When I was in high school I lived in a town where then President George H.W. Bush would take fishing trips. He would stay at a private house, but a lot of his SS (zomg Godwin's law) detail, staff, and the WH press corps would stay at a nearby resort. Since it was a "tropical" environment the SS guys were all issued these absolutely horrible flower print, short sleeved, button down shirts. Nothing funnier than seeing a bunch of dudes in those ridiculous outfits with dark sunglasses, earpieces, and terrible sunburns. Very stealthy and sinister.
It was during this time that I also discovered that Brit Hume is a gigantic jerk.
On another forum I read, I saw someone mentioning that Pawlenty has allegedly been eliminated for VP contention for John McCain. Anyone else seen this?
Also, are the only prospects besides him Romney, Ridge and Lieberman?
I heard Crist and Jindal thrown around quite a bit several weeks ago. Jindal apparently claims to have performed an exorcism and cured cancer, so he's out, but I don't think anything knocked Crist off the running.
Dude's gay.
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It's true, though. Overplaying the 9/11 card hurt Giuliani's credibility, even with his own supporters. McCain could easily do the same. He needs to learn from that mistake and focus on his wins as a Senator.
I don't know that talking about how he survived years of torture would ever get old to the people he's trying to get.
You know the people who wake up to "God Bless The USA" and have three cars each one color of the flag.
It's true, though. Overplaying the 9/11 card hurt Giuliani's credibility, even with his own supporters. McCain could easily do the same. He needs to learn from that mistake and focus on his wins as a Senator.
I don't know that talking about how he survived years of torture would ever get old to the people he's trying to get.
You know the people who wake up to "God Bless The USA" and have three cars each one color of the flag.
Alan Keyes got something like 30-40% of the vote against Obama. There are many, many people who vote a strict party ticket, no exceptions. Robot Hitler with homosexual abortion-lasers would get at least 33% of the vote if he had an (R) in front of his name.
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edited August 2008
So I got into it with a Republican coworker, who told me that VP's don't matter. He reiterated this after I told him tonight about Obama's selection of Biden. I decided I'd call his bluff.
"So, I'm hearing that McCain might be settling on Mitt Romney."
He shudders.
"His second choice is looking like Joe Lieberman."
Shudders again.
Yeah, I knew it, bitch.
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edited August 2008
If. She's still got her holes, but she is the best pick McCain can make.
I don't see him going outside Romney/Lieberman/Ridge/Pawlenty, though.
We could poll this one up too, and again, I'm using the individuals with biggest recent buzz and "the field":
WHO DO YOU THINK MCCAIN WILL SELECT?
Mitt Romney
Joe Lieberman
Tom Ridge
Tim Pawlenty
Sarah Palin
Rob Portman
Colin Powell
Mike Huckabee
Carly Fiorina
Someone else
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If McCain picks Sarah Palin I think we might be an eensy bit hosed.
Just saying.
I dunno, Palin has the whole corruption fiasco (where she preemtped an independent investigation into something she did by forming her own group to investigate it) going on. Not to mention I rarely hear her mentioned anywhere outside of internet forums (and given that Kaine, Bayh, Sebelius and Biden were all mentioned pretty widely by the MSM...)
However I have a gut feeling McCain really wants to pick Joe Lieberman (It's not like hes shown an impeccable judgment up until now either).
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If McCain picks Sarah Palin I think we might be an eensy bit hosed.
Just saying.
Ehh, you toss off a "The Republican Party, only 24 years behind the democrats" and you've covered the bulk of the feminist vote (though it would be nice to weed out the retards who still bite) and if Mondale/Ferraro taught us anything it's the vast swath of women aren't apparently much moved by vagina solidarity.
"I'm excited to bring my Emmy Award–winning writing to the field of animation," Sorkin said in a speech before approximately 30,000 screaming fans, many of whom were dressed up in the business-suit costumes of their favorite Sorkin characters
The past couple of failed Democratic vice-presidential candidates turned out to be kind of skeezoids. If Obama/Biden should lose, we'll have to put Biden down before we learn that he's the driving cause in herpes or something.
I just saw a banner ad with them hugging and smiling.
Kinda creepy, to be honest.
Isn't he like, a democrat?
Isn't that a problem?
He ran as an Independent last time around and he's already slated to speak at the Republican National Convention. He's got 1 foot already over the line.
What's ironic about all of this is that if things had gone "to plan" for the Dems in 2000, Lieberman would now be heading this year's ticket. Either the party has radically changed since then, or he's radically changed since then.
I just saw a banner ad with them hugging and smiling.
Kinda creepy, to be honest.
Isn't he like, a democrat?
Isn't that a problem?
Independant. He only caucuses with the Dem's.
And that independent should be in quotation marks. He's been stumping for McCain for months now, and he's basically been Republican in everything but name for even longer.
I just saw a banner ad with them hugging and smiling.
Kinda creepy, to be honest.
Isn't he like, a democrat?
Isn't that a problem?
Independant. He only caucuses with the Dem's.
And that independent should be in quotation marks. He's been stumping for McCain for months now, and he's basically been Republican in everything but name for even longer.
Keep in mind that "Independent" about 80% of the time means "I don't know shit about politics, but anyone who uses the words 'centrist,' 'moderate,' or 'bipartisan' a lot makes my eyes glaze over."
He's used to be basically the McCain of democrats: nominally liberal on most issues, but only really gave a fuck about national security. So it sort of makes sense that he's moved over to the other side.
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He's used to be basically the McCain of democrats: nominally liberal on most issues, but only really gave a fuck about national security. So it sort of makes sense that he's moved over to the other side.
I will be happy to see what happens if Obama gets into office, and the dems get a majority without Lieberman's help. It will be like Dead Man Walking in the Senate whenever Good 'ole Joe comes around.
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edited August 2008
Do we have any Jewish senators other then Lieberman? I can't remember.
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Wow. Been a looooooooong time since I thought of that story.
There were also folks like me who paid attention to domestic social issues like abortion, the environment, gay rights, Supreme Court nominations, stem cells and so forth and thought that the folks claiming that a born-again Christian Republican oilman was fundamentally identical policy-wise to Al Gore were at best willfully ignoring those issues.
So no, it wasn't just the "deeply paranoid" who didn't fall for the whole "Bush=Gore" gibberish.
Not to toot my own horn or anything, but toot toot.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24dowd.html?hp
It begins.
Also, are the only prospects besides him Romney, Ridge and Lieberman?
I heard Crist and Jindal thrown around quite a bit several weeks ago. Jindal apparently claims to have performed an exorcism and cured cancer, so he's out, but I don't think anything knocked Crist off the running.
It's true, though. Overplaying the 9/11 card hurt Giuliani's credibility, even with his own supporters. McCain could easily do the same. He needs to learn from that mistake and focus on his wins as a Senator.
Secret Service - When I was in high school I lived in a town where then President George H.W. Bush would take fishing trips. He would stay at a private house, but a lot of his SS (zomg Godwin's law) detail, staff, and the WH press corps would stay at a nearby resort. Since it was a "tropical" environment the SS guys were all issued these absolutely horrible flower print, short sleeved, button down shirts. Nothing funnier than seeing a bunch of dudes in those ridiculous outfits with dark sunglasses, earpieces, and terrible sunburns. Very stealthy and sinister.
It was during this time that I also discovered that Brit Hume is a gigantic jerk.
Dude's gay.
I don't know that talking about how he survived years of torture would ever get old to the people he's trying to get.
You know the people who wake up to "God Bless The USA" and have three cars each one color of the flag.
Alan Keyes got something like 30-40% of the vote against Obama. There are many, many people who vote a strict party ticket, no exceptions. Robot Hitler with homosexual abortion-lasers would get at least 33% of the vote if he had an (R) in front of his name.
Alan Keyes would lose against Robot Hitler.
"So, I'm hearing that McCain might be settling on Mitt Romney."
He shudders.
"His second choice is looking like Joe Lieberman."
Shudders again.
Yeah, I knew it, bitch.
Just saying.
I don't see him going outside Romney/Lieberman/Ridge/Pawlenty, though.
We could poll this one up too, and again, I'm using the individuals with biggest recent buzz and "the field":
WHO DO YOU THINK MCCAIN WILL SELECT?
Mitt Romney
Joe Lieberman
Tom Ridge
Tim Pawlenty
Sarah Palin
Rob Portman
Colin Powell
Mike Huckabee
Carly Fiorina
Someone else
I dunno, Palin has the whole corruption fiasco (where she preemtped an independent investigation into something she did by forming her own group to investigate it) going on. Not to mention I rarely hear her mentioned anywhere outside of internet forums (and given that Kaine, Bayh, Sebelius and Biden were all mentioned pretty widely by the MSM...)
However I have a gut feeling McCain really wants to pick Joe Lieberman (It's not like hes shown an impeccable judgment up until now either).
Ehh, you toss off a "The Republican Party, only 24 years behind the democrats" and you've covered the bulk of the feminist vote (though it would be nice to weed out the retards who still bite) and if Mondale/Ferraro taught us anything it's the vast swath of women aren't apparently much moved by vagina solidarity.
Nonsense, we are informed and amused by your ruthless dedication to fantasy politics.
As if you weren't already aware of how big of a dork that makes you. :P
Ahah!
Another one on the Onion: Aaron Sorkin Announces New 'West Wing' Animated Series At SorCon
Treat our Highness correctly!
I just saw a banner ad with them hugging and smiling.
Kinda creepy, to be honest.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Isn't he like, a democrat?
Isn't that a problem?
Independant. He only caucuses with the Dem's.
He ran as an Independent last time around and he's already slated to speak at the Republican National Convention. He's got 1 foot already over the line.
What's ironic about all of this is that if things had gone "to plan" for the Dems in 2000, Lieberman would now be heading this year's ticket. Either the party has radically changed since then, or he's radically changed since then.
He'll appeal to conservatives by having batshit insane policy and the moderates won't notice.
At least, that's what his plan seems to be.
And that independent should be in quotation marks. He's been stumping for McCain for months now, and he's basically been Republican in everything but name for even longer.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
He likes to scapegoat videogames too.