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Backup Xbox 360 games for play?

-Spitfire--Spitfire- Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
A few weeks ago, I bought an Xbox 360 (the Halo Special Edition, because the green is badass).

It scratched up two of my disks, only one of which was under warranty. The second disk was ruined and I had to get another one.

The day after the second scratching incident, I exchanged the machine as defective and got a new one. Last night, the new one proceeded to scratch up the replaced disk as well. I'll be taking that one back today, but the answer to this question will determine if I return it for cash or exchange it for another one again, or another model.

If the Xbox is obviously this sensitive and will damage the $60+ games I have bought at the drop of a hat, I want to know if there is any way to make a back-up "play" copy of the disk? That way, the the machine can toast my disk whenever it wants and I won't really care, because I can keep my original investment.

Failing that (as we're talking about DRM-obsessed Microsoft here) is there some way to load a game you own onto the hard drive and play it from there?

Also, how does anyone play anything on Xbox if it works this poorly? Am I just unlucky to get two lemons in a row, or is this a common problem?

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I think you're unlucky to get two lemons in a row, to be honest. If I were you I'd use the Xbox horizontally rather than vertically. I've had no trouble with my box scratching anything. The Halo edition is based off the older hardware, though, so you're more likely than the newer ones to have problems down the road.

    Microsoft offer a disc replacement program through their website - you might want to look into that. Making "backup" copies is illegal, no matter what your intentions are.

    However, in a couple of months Microsoft are going to be updating the Xbox Dashboard, and with it will come the functionality to install games to the hard drive, which currently isn't possible. You'll still need the disc in the drive to prove you own the game but the drive won't spin at all to load anything, only to verify that it's the correct disc, so less/no scratching.

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  • -Spitfire--Spitfire- Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    I think you're unlucky to get two lemons in a row, to be honest. If I were you I'd use the Xbox horizontally rather than vertically. I've had no trouble with my box scratching anything. The Halo edition is based off the older hardware, though, so you're more likely than the newer ones to have problems down the road.

    Microsoft offer a disc replacement program through their website - you might want to look into that. Making "backup" copies is illegal, no matter what your intentions are.

    However, in a couple of months Microsoft are going to be updating the Xbox Dashboard, and with it will come the functionality to install games to the hard drive, which currently isn't possible. You'll still need the disc in the drive to prove you own the game but the drive won't spin at all to load anything, only to verify that it's the correct disc, so less/no scratching.


    I figured Microsoft would consider "protecting your investment" to be "illegal piracy". Ah well. I have no intention of doing anything illegal, so I wasn't after that kind of information.

    I am, however, thrilled about the update you mention. I had no idea anything like that was in the works. That makes me much more comfortable with the idea of exchanging for another model.

    Does anyone know if the elite system is really much better than the regular one (I mean in terms of how it functions - I know the hard drive is bigger and so forth). It says "Redesigned. Reinvented. Reborn." on the website, which sounds promising.... I've already invested over $300 and the Elite system is only $150 more, is it worth it?

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The Elite is the same thing with a bigger hard drive, a black paint job, and an HDMI cable included in the box.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The one you want to go for is the new 60GB Pro. Best value and least likely to crap out on you, and is exactly the same as the Elite except for the colour and HDD capacity. And price. :D

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I've heard decent things about these things. It's a transparent snap-on cover that protects the disc surface, and is thin enough that it'll still play with the cover attached.

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  • cogellcogell Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    japan wrote: »
    I've heard decent things about these things. It's a transparent snap-on cover that protects the disc surface, and is thin enough that it'll still play with the cover attached.

    Every time I would try to play a game with those on, it would read the disc as a dvd, and not play. Maybe I was doing it wrong though. Give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, you're only out a few bucks.

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  • -Spitfire--Spitfire- Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    The one you want to go for is the new 60GB Pro. Best value and least likely to crap out on you, and is exactly the same as the Elite except for the colour and HDD capacity. And price. :D

    Thanks a bunch - that's the one I bought.

    Since I was planning a budget around the Elite, it left me some spare money to get an extended warranty, which may come in handy!

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    -Spitfire- wrote: »
    Willeth wrote: »
    The one you want to go for is the new 60GB Pro. Best value and least likely to crap out on you, and is exactly the same as the Elite except for the colour and HDD capacity. And price. :D

    Thanks a bunch - that's the one I bought.

    Since I was planning a budget around the Elite, it left me some spare money to get an extended warranty, which may come in handy!

    Well it comes with a year warranty for every issue and a three-year one for the RROD, so I would have said an extended one isn't necessary. I'd have put that money towards Rock Band, myself.

    But hey, welcome to the fold. Get yourself on Live and have some funs.

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  • acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    . . . making backups of your software is absolutely not illegal. The problem is that making your 360 able to play those backups ranges from questionably legal to absolutely illegal, depending on where you live.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    . . . making backups of your software is absolutely not illegal. The problem is that making your 360 able to play those backups ranges from questionably legal to absolutely illegal, depending on where you live.

    That's a misconception perpetrated by ROM vendors, I believe. When you buy a game you are buying that licence in a very limited capacity. As I understand it, any unauthorised copying or tampering violates that licence and falls cleanly under copyright infringement.

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  • acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Willeth wrote: »
    . . . making backups of your software is absolutely not illegal. The problem is that making your 360 able to play those backups ranges from questionably legal to absolutely illegal, depending on where you live.

    That's a misconception perpetrated by ROM vendors, I believe. When you buy a game you are buying that licence in a very limited capacity. As I understand it, any unauthorised copying or tampering violates that licence and falls cleanly under copyright infringement.

    isn't that covered by Fair Use law? The wikipedia article on it seems to say yes.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Except because Microsoft has their disc replacement program, there is no reason to make backup copies, so Fair Use doesn't apply. And even if you did, they wouldn't run without altering your hardware anyway.

    IANAL etc.

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  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    i heard that there is less of a chance of scratching if you keep the box vertical and don't move it with the disc in. but, you probably didn't do the latter, you would have to be pretty dumb...

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  • acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I always thought the Rom vendor myth was the whole "its not illegal if you delete it within 24 hours of downloading."

    Also I already said that modifying the hardware was the thing of questionable legality.

    also the microsoft disc replacement program covers a grand total of 13 games.
    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/gameplay/discreplacement-games.htm

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  • stawkstawk Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    lay your system down... and dont move it when you have a game running...

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  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    yeah stawk, i just said that....

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    1) use it horizontal

    2) the fall update coming will let you back up games to the HDD. that's pretty much the only way you're going to be able to do that without getting banned from Live.

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It can't be said enough to keep the system horizontal. Make sure it's well ventilated as well.

    Playing burned games requires a software mod to the 360 that will get you banned from live and void your system warranty.

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