I think Tiefe Krahen/whatever name it ends up with will have more people in it than it looks. The TSM forums aren't even that active despite their large membership because everyone talks in here instead, and they have like a 2-year head start. As long as the order guild is in the OP of whatever WAR threads go up I bet it'll have enough people.
That's been my thinking as well. When people go to create their characters on day 1, we'll already have a server picked, forums set up, and a vent server ready to roll. People will come. And then, when people realize that WAR is actually awesome, they'll forget about the pain of AoC and more will come. And I say unto thee, like a trickle to a flood, so will the unbelievers come to receive the blessings of Sigmar, through the Tiefe Krahen. Amen.
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edited August 2008
I am morally opposed to joining a guild that uses a name from a language that its membership does not speak
Open beta does not start until the 7th I believe... no servers are up for the next couple weeks.
As far as I'm aware they haven't officially stated whether closed beta servers will be up again or not, but I have reason to believe CB servers may be back online by Thursday.
So are there any "light" tanks? Something tankier than a rogue, but more focus on damage than absorption. The only one that really seems to fit is marauder. Maybe the shadow hunter, although they are more range and range should not be tank at all imo...
I love the idea of a Slayer, but I don't see how it would work in MMO terms. As far as I understand the psychology of the Slayer, there would have to be some sort of mechanic in place where you automatically target the most powerful enemy around and then auto-run toward it. And you can't retreat ever.
So are there any "light" tanks? Something tankier than a rogue, but more focus on damage than absorption. The only one that really seems to fit is marauder. Maybe the shadow hunter, although they are more range and range should not be tank at all imo...
Marauder seems like your best bet, plus you can turn your arm into a blade. I started one in the preview weekend but wasn't impressed.
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So are there any "light" tanks? Something tankier than a rogue, but more focus on damage than absorption. The only one that really seems to fit is marauder. Maybe the shadow hunter, although they are more range and range should not be tank at all imo...
Just spec your Chosen/Ironbreaker/Black Orc/Swordmaster in its two-handed path, and have all your gear focus on offensive stats (strength, weapon skill).
If you go for the 2 hander on a blademaster they would be up your alley for a 'light' tank. They are good offtanks, do good damage, and are the only class in the game that can dance. :
I liked the Candymancers better. I put up a voting thread in our guild forums, and let all the people who have actually shown some interest in the guild vote. I left it open for almost a week. Candymancers was outvoted. The name of the guild is what you guys, the community chose. If someone volunteers to actually design a good forum with a front page and graphics for the candymancers, I will override the vote and use it. Otherwise, that's the name the Penny Arcade community who had the initiative to vote chose. Complaining about it is kind of like complaining about which party is in Congress, when the person complaining didn't bother to go to the polls. That is all.
I might have voted if I'd known about it but maybe not since I only plan on having Order alts.
The real problem is you didn't manipulate the vote to your advantage. You should have a re-vote closer to launch and if Order decides to stick with German Deep Crows it just further proves why they are playing order and not Destruction. :P
They are lame.
I wrote this entire post with the chiding, good natured ribbing of a sibling. I actually like the concept of using the german version of Deep Crows but I don't think the name is catchy, is hard to remember, and people will spell it wrong all of the time. But if others like it, no skin off my back.
So are there any "light" tanks? Something tankier than a rogue, but more focus on damage than absorption. The only one that really seems to fit is marauder. Maybe the shadow hunter, although they are more range and range should not be tank at all imo...
Maruder and White Lion are the only two true "front lines melee dps" if that's what you're looking for. Warrior Priests and DoKs also get a fair amount of survivability through the ability to heal themselves with the damage they do, but their damage output is lower to compensate healing.
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Open beta does not start until the 7th I believe... no servers are up for the next couple weeks.
As far as I'm aware they haven't officially stated whether closed beta servers will be up again or not, but I have reason to believe CB servers may be back online by Thursday.
So like, will I be super-behind if I'm not in the beta or something? The more I see about this game the more I froth.
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edited August 2008
They've talked about the Elder Testers getting a special "Elder Beta Server" separate from the open beta servers, to test some of the post launch stuff under the NDA (because we are all bound by it, I don't think the OB people will be)....not sure if that will actually happen. And if it did, I probably couldn't tell you it did, or what I was testing :P
Open beta does not start until the 7th I believe... no servers are up for the next couple weeks.
As far as I'm aware they haven't officially stated whether closed beta servers will be up again or not, but I have reason to believe CB servers may be back online by Thursday.
So like, will I be super-behind if I'm not in the beta or something? The more I see about this game the more I froth.
You won't be behind (by more than a couple days of headstart maybe), but you might have trouble picking a class and/or getting used to the UI/mechanics. It was pretty easy to pick up with other MMO experience though.
If you are really in love with a class type, just stick with it -- they are all fun and force you into altoholism
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Open beta does not start until the 7th I believe... no servers are up for the next couple weeks.
As far as I'm aware they haven't officially stated whether closed beta servers will be up again or not, but I have reason to believe CB servers may be back online by Thursday.
So like, will I be super-behind if I'm not in the beta or something? The more I see about this game the more I froth.
What do you mean, super behind?
It's a pretty easy game to pick up and play, but I imagine that until you learn the intricacies of many of the classes, you might be at a disadvantage against some of the better beta players.
Then again, you won't have to worry about most of those people, because they will be in the "head start" program, and be two-to-three days ahead of you in raw leveling time.
Honestly, I'd prefer average 'friendly' guilds, than "good" asshole guilds on our server any day.
Because that's your play style. Id much rather play with a bunch of assholes who know their shit, than with a bunch of friendly people who bumble around like yokles. Neither is right, neither is wrong, we both seek different things from our MMO play time.
I hope your not voting for TSM's server type, because it sounds like you dont even want to be in our guild.
I played in the Barrovian Society PA LOTR guild, and not everyone PA forumer is a powergamer who knows all the ins and outs of the class they are playing, let alone the classes they group with or pvp against.
Uhh, I wasn't aware I had to want to be in TSM to have an opinion on an open forum? Did this become the TSM forum and I missed it?
This is a WAR thread, and someone brought up RP servers and how they had better players. I disagreed with this and stated my opinion. It wasn't until you mentioned it that this conversation was even in the context of the PA guild for me. I run with guilds I've run with for years, so you're right, I have no intention of joining TSM. That doesn't mean I begrudge you your play style, despite you seeming to begrudge me mine.
I never said you couldnt have an opinion, nor did I say you couldnt discuss it on an open forum community like this PA Forum thread. I merely expressed a concern that you would be trying to influence the decisions of a guild that you had no desire or intention to join.
In fact, the bolded and underlined statement is what I took particular offense to.
In regards to the bolded and italic, I was not once disparaging of your playstyle, in fact, I myself generally try to devour all the information on all the classes and abilities in a game I play to better understand the nuance of squeezing all the effectiveness out of them, as well as knowing their strengths and weaknesses, which makes me one of the very last people to call for nerfs and buffs.
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Honestly, I'd prefer average 'friendly' guilds, than "good" asshole guilds on our server any day.
Because that's your play style. Id much rather play with a bunch of assholes who know their shit, than with a bunch of friendly people who bumble around like yokles. Neither is right, neither is wrong, we both seek different things from our MMO play time.
I hope your not voting for TSM's server type, because it sounds like you dont even want to be in our guild.
I played in the Barrovian Society PA LOTR guild, and not everyone PA forumer is a powergamer who knows all the ins and outs of the class they are playing, let alone the classes they group with or pvp against.
Uhh, I wasn't aware I had to want to be in TSM to have an opinion on an open forum? Did this become the TSM forum and I missed it?
This is a WAR thread, and someone brought up RP servers and how they had better players. I disagreed with this and stated my opinion. It wasn't until you mentioned it that this conversation was even in the context of the PA guild for me. I run with guilds I've run with for years, so you're right, I have no intention of joining TSM. That doesn't mean I begrudge you your play style, despite you seeming to begrudge me mine.
I never said you couldnt have an opinion, nor did I say you couldnt discuss it on an open forum community like this PA Forum thread. I merely expressed a concern that you would be trying to influence the decisions of a guild that you had no desire or intention to join.
In fact, the bolded and underlined statement is what I took particular offense to.
In regards to the bolded and italic, I was not once disparaging of your playstyle, in fact, I myself generally try to devour all the information on all the classes and abilities in a game I play to better understand the nuance of squeezing all the effectiveness out of them, as well as knowing their strengths and weaknesses, which makes me one of the very last people to call for nerfs and buffs.
I meant what I said in a general sense, not towards the PA guilds, because again, until you mentioned, I wasn't aware the context of the discussion was about the PA guilds.
Someone before me had said they would rather group with bad players who were friendly, and I stated a counter opinion. I have no opinion (or influence) as to how you guys run the PA guilds.
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edited August 2008
I am willing to bet that you fucks who have these conceptions of RP servers haven't played on one in the last 8 years if at all.
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As it seem's nobody has got the ball rolling on this one I thought I'd jump in and say. Is anyone here up for the creation of an EU guild? If we're quick we can shotgun Candymancers as a name before the other side of the atlantic realises it is clearly the best.
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edited August 2008
Geeze, it's like you guys have gone and done killed your funny bone.
Have you ever tried to rationalize absurdity within the scope of the world you are in?
It's a fuckin blast.
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So did anything ever come of the PA order guild? The forums looked kind of DoA.
Right now, it's just me posting. There are currently about 25 players who say they'll be playing with us, but no one is posting in the forums. If you want to roll Order, Tiefe Krahen would be delighted to be your home.
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Go, post, let me know that people are actually interested. Recruit other Order players to come join us. I'd like to at least give the Mouths a run for their money in terms of dominating the server of our choice. We'll see if they can be the top guild on their server, and us on ours. Eh? Eh?
I'd especially like to see some people posting screenshots of their preview weekend on the Tiefe Krahen forums. I'm curious what cool stuff other people found.
As long as Tiefe Krahen is not on the same server as TSM myself and the missus will be there with alts from the get go.
Well since those were a bug you won't be able to get them at that level anymore.
We don't know that. They're changing something about them, and it may be the level requirement, or it may be "you're wearing these, so you can't go into tier 1 scenarios."
So I downloaded the open beta but I can't play it because it keeps telling me my password is wrong. Even though I have confirmed its right about 50 times. And reset it just as much (reset the game password AND the master account password just to be thorough). Sigh.
Open beta does not start until the 7th I believe... no servers are up for the next couple weeks.
It still shouldn't be giving him a password error. I can log all the way in to the server select screen just fine, there just aren't any servers to select.
Yeah, but he hasn't downloaded all the patches yet either since he can't. So it just kicks him out. Or this is what I would assume.
EDIT: Or it just wouldn't let you go RvR or Scenario's in the zone anymore. (Referring to post above.)
Well since those were a bug you won't be able to get them at that level anymore.
We don't know that. They're changing something about them, and it may be the level requirement, or it may be "you're wearing these, so you can't go into tier 1 scenarios."
Ah, true enough. I guess my interpretation was either they were going to seriously downgrade the stats or make them higher rank but you bring up another option.
The beta launcher is a little confusing, if the servers aren't up it just sends you back to the login window with no explanation, which is also what it does when you enter the wrong password. And I had some funny things happen with passwords, I had to reset mine a couple times even though I never actually changed it and I'm pretty sure I was typing it right. I was able to get in after I reset it, but I'm not sure if I was able to get in because I reset or because of some other reason.
And I know I've said this a bunch of times, but if inactive players don't hurt the guild level I think the order guild should allow TSM alts (and vice versa).
I'd assume the easiest fix is the one they would go with, and make those sets 12/6.
That would make sense to me. Personally, I didn't leave Tier 1 until I'd turned into a chicken, so by the time I first got to the Tier 2 zones the first set was already a little out of date. I think changing the Tier 2 gear sets to 12/6 and 16/8 would be a sensible fix, maybe bumping the stats a little to reflect the higher rank requirement. You'd really need to change that second set as well though. Having 12/6 and 14/8 sets would put them too close together, I doubt many people would opt to buy the 12/6 gear when they could just hold onto their cash for superior 14/8 pieces. Having four levels' separation instead of two gives you enough time to earn the money to buy the next set.
So I got the trial of this game, and almost gave up on it.
I tried a chaos disk rider, and everything was all dark and emo and just dull.
Well damn, I tried a high elf swordmaster next, and that was a little better but something still just seemed to be missing.
Alright, I figured I'd give it one more chance, so I rolled a goblin shaman.
Bam! This is the game I was looking for. I'm throwing heals and damage spells, flinging mud on dwarfs, and having fun. I'm looking forward to picking this one up come release day.
I tried a dark elf disk rider, and everything was all dark and emo and just dull.
Well damn, I tried a high elf swordmaster next, and that was a little better but something still just seemed to be missing.
Alright, I figured I'd give it one more chance, so I rolled a goblin shaman.
I had the same reaction to the both elf areas and chaos. Actually chaos wasn't bland so much as too depressing and with too many quests you couldn't complete in a high-pop situation. Dwarves actually worked for me, and Empire was decent too. Both were still a little generic but imo had a better world feel going. Kind of reminded me of LOTRO really. The elf starting area was cookie-cutter as hell in that game too.
But yeah, there's a reason shaman are the most popular class in pre-launch polls, followed by blorcs. And it's not because either one is OP.
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That's been my thinking as well. When people go to create their characters on day 1, we'll already have a server picked, forums set up, and a vent server ready to roll. People will come. And then, when people realize that WAR is actually awesome, they'll forget about the pain of AoC and more will come. And I say unto thee, like a trickle to a flood, so will the unbelievers come to receive the blessings of Sigmar, through the Tiefe Krahen. Amen.
What does that name mean?
The Deep Crows. It's German because the Empire is a pseudo-german culture. And because everything sounds more menacing in German.
I was just going to ask the same thing. I don't even know what it means, so I can't possibly have an opinion.
From context, I think it means "Deep Crows" in German?
e: Apparently my context clue sense is correct, it is Deep Crows in German.
Well I wasn't on during PW so maybe they fixed it, but prior to that you could go /ignore and it wouldn't do anything. You'd still see them chat.
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Marauder seems like your best bet, plus you can turn your arm into a blade. I started one in the preview weekend but wasn't impressed.
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Just spec your Chosen/Ironbreaker/Black Orc/Swordmaster in its two-handed path, and have all your gear focus on offensive stats (strength, weapon skill).
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I might have voted if I'd known about it but maybe not since I only plan on having Order alts.
The real problem is you didn't manipulate the vote to your advantage. You should have a re-vote closer to launch and if Order decides to stick with German Deep Crows it just further proves why they are playing order and not Destruction. :P
Maruder and White Lion are the only two true "front lines melee dps" if that's what you're looking for. Warrior Priests and DoKs also get a fair amount of survivability through the ability to heal themselves with the damage they do, but their damage output is lower to compensate healing.
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You won't be behind (by more than a couple days of headstart maybe), but you might have trouble picking a class and/or getting used to the UI/mechanics. It was pretty easy to pick up with other MMO experience though.
If you are really in love with a class type, just stick with it -- they are all fun and force you into altoholism
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What do you mean, super behind?
It's a pretty easy game to pick up and play, but I imagine that until you learn the intricacies of many of the classes, you might be at a disadvantage against some of the better beta players.
Then again, you won't have to worry about most of those people, because they will be in the "head start" program, and be two-to-three days ahead of you in raw leveling time.
I never said you couldnt have an opinion, nor did I say you couldnt discuss it on an open forum community like this PA Forum thread. I merely expressed a concern that you would be trying to influence the decisions of a guild that you had no desire or intention to join.
In fact, the bolded and underlined statement is what I took particular offense to.
In regards to the bolded and italic, I was not once disparaging of your playstyle, in fact, I myself generally try to devour all the information on all the classes and abilities in a game I play to better understand the nuance of squeezing all the effectiveness out of them, as well as knowing their strengths and weaknesses, which makes me one of the very last people to call for nerfs and buffs.
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I meant what I said in a general sense, not towards the PA guilds, because again, until you mentioned, I wasn't aware the context of the discussion was about the PA guilds.
Someone before me had said they would rather group with bad players who were friendly, and I stated a counter opinion. I have no opinion (or influence) as to how you guys run the PA guilds.
Have you ever tried to rationalize absurdity within the scope of the world you are in?
It's a fuckin blast.
As long as Tiefe Krahen is not on the same server as TSM myself and the missus will be there with alts from the get go.
I just got back on after the preview weekend, and I was wondering.
10/6 gear, and other such RvR sets. Where does one achieve these masterpieces? I looked around for a good long time, but could not find the answer.
That the requirment is being rank (level) 10 and renown rank (RvR Ranking) 6.
Well since those were a bug you won't be able to get them at that level anymore.
And 10/6 means Rank 10 / Renown Rank 6 (or the other way around?)
Rank = pve level
Renown (Rank) = pvp level
Rank (level) 10 / Renown Rank (PvP Level) 6
And you get it from Tier 2 keeps, although it seems like they'll be changing that for open beta and launch.
We don't know that. They're changing something about them, and it may be the level requirement, or it may be "you're wearing these, so you can't go into tier 1 scenarios."
Yeah, but he hasn't downloaded all the patches yet either since he can't. So it just kicks him out. Or this is what I would assume.
EDIT: Or it just wouldn't let you go RvR or Scenario's in the zone anymore. (Referring to post above.)
Ah, true enough. I guess my interpretation was either they were going to seriously downgrade the stats or make them higher rank but you bring up another option.
And I know I've said this a bunch of times, but if inactive players don't hurt the guild level I think the order guild should allow TSM alts (and vice versa).
I tried a chaos disk rider, and everything was all dark and emo and just dull.
Well damn, I tried a high elf swordmaster next, and that was a little better but something still just seemed to be missing.
Alright, I figured I'd give it one more chance, so I rolled a goblin shaman.
Bam! This is the game I was looking for. I'm throwing heals and damage spells, flinging mud on dwarfs, and having fun. I'm looking forward to picking this one up come release day.
edit'd because I can't spell.
I had the same reaction to the both elf areas and chaos. Actually chaos wasn't bland so much as too depressing and with too many quests you couldn't complete in a high-pop situation. Dwarves actually worked for me, and Empire was decent too. Both were still a little generic but imo had a better world feel going. Kind of reminded me of LOTRO really. The elf starting area was cookie-cutter as hell in that game too.
But yeah, there's a reason shaman are the most popular class in pre-launch polls, followed by blorcs. And it's not because either one is OP.