There's also the Quick Feet ability which works like Guts except it raises speed. (and it ignores the paralysis speed drop?)
and also Lopunny has the Klutz ability which completely ignores all held items and their effects, which makes her Swithceroo move a lot more interesting.
Also! I ran the numbers on bullet punch vs salamence - it does not necessarily take terrible ivs to get koed, just sub-perfect ones. Don't make fun of my pokemon!
Chen, we were talking about something completely different with the Salamence thing.
And speed, nah. It does cancel the speed drop from Paralysis though.
As for uber mence... I've already listed the difference but hell here goes again.
-100 base speed (not its own speed tier)
-not as bulky
-no STAB on EQ
-no Sand Veil
-not immune to Twave
-weak to Stealth Rock
-no swords dance (DD is good but it does not allow him to 2HKO anything in the game)
Why Salamence? Do you have an intense hatred against it? Does anyone even use one around here?
Earlier dingus was talking about how great his metagross was and listed things that he attacks with it that makes it so great, and I brought up the time that he switched into a life orbed flamethrower, barely survived, and got a ohko with a crit bullet punch.
It now occurs to me that with the life orb it was not technically a ohko and I would have probably been at risk even with perfect ivs.
-no swords dance (DD is good but it does not allow him to 2HKO anything in the game)
Adamant max Atk Mence 2HKOs max HP and Def Gliscor, Donphan, Hippowdon, Gyarados, Milotic, Slowbro, Weezing, Blissey etc. and OHKOs Weavile, Mamoswine, Starmie etc. with Outrage after one Dragon Dance. Only Steel types are a problem but that's where prediction comes in. Earthquake OHKOs the usual suspects like Heatran, Lucario and Metagross anyway.
It can't be relied upon to 2HKO Cresselia, counting Leftovers (though it has a slight chance). Thunder Wave would prove quite sufficent there to neuter it.
Unless you have it carrying Life Orb in which case Ice Beam will obligingly murder it in one turn.
Seriosuly though Twave and SR resists were two of the things that made Chomp so good
Oh, also, +1 attack EQ will never OHKO Metagross's standard bulky CB spread, and Mence is in return OHKO'd by Meteor Mash. No STAB on that is also a problem.
Yes, but it possesses an additional weakness as mentioned.. Dragon/Ground is really much better typing than Dragon/Flying and I hope people will use Flygon more now.
Outrage after 1 Dragon Dance + Life Orb OHKOs Metagross about 97% of the time. SO THERE!
But then you're left open to ice attacks~
The important thing is that Gross is annihilated, obliterated, terminated, exorcised, smashed to smithereens, burned to ashes and buried in the depths of the sea.
Once I get Platinum I think i'm going to stop asking for Heart Scales in exchange for random trades and I'll have to start demanding Shards. Red and Blue especially.
Because: Move Tutors want shards Red and Blue especially.
Also, I updated the OP with Kays summary of the Egg Nature trick.
But Dragon Quest IV came out today which will probably eat up most of my DS time till next week, when Kirby Super star, Disgae DS, and Lego batman come out. Those will probably eat up my time until atleast the 30th, when Sonic Chronicles comes out.
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12.5 IS 1/8 of 100.
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and also Lopunny has the Klutz ability which completely ignores all held items and their effects, which makes her Swithceroo move a lot more interesting.
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Percent bad. Fraction good.
(I'm a scientist!)
You trained a Garchomp? Shaaaaaame on you.
(I have a level 1 Gible with EQ, Outrage and Stone Edge ready for some breeding action. Still. It's been there since April 15th.)
(Brainfried. Getting late for me, work's been hectic, I'm in the middle of EV training my fifth new addition in three weeks.)
Also! I ran the numbers on bullet punch vs salamence - it does not necessarily take terrible ivs to get koed, just sub-perfect ones. Don't make fun of my pokemon!
Does Quick Feet cancel the attack detriment the same way that Guts does when you get burned?
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Not saying the mence will become uber like chomp, just that he'll be replacing chomp on alot of teams.
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And speed, nah. It does cancel the speed drop from Paralysis though.
As for uber mence... I've already listed the difference but hell here goes again.
-100 base speed (not its own speed tier)
-not as bulky
-no STAB on EQ
-no Sand Veil
-not immune to Twave
-weak to Stealth Rock
-no swords dance (DD is good but it does not allow him to 2HKO anything in the game)
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It's Altaria, isn't it.
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Earlier dingus was talking about how great his metagross was and listed things that he attacks with it that makes it so great, and I brought up the time that he switched into a life orbed flamethrower, barely survived, and got a ohko with a crit bullet punch.
It now occurs to me that with the life orb it was not technically a ohko and I would have probably been at risk even with perfect ivs.
Well, shit, the jig is up now, isn't it?
Unless you have it carrying Life Orb in which case Ice Beam will obligingly murder it in one turn.
My point stands.
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Seriosuly though Twave and SR resists were two of the things that made Chomp so good
Oh, also, +1 attack EQ will never OHKO Metagross's standard bulky CB spread, and Mence is in return OHKO'd by Meteor Mash. No STAB on that is also a problem.
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Also it gets Outrage too gleeeeeeeeeee
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But then you're left open to ice attacks~
And that might be high, because I heard Metalkid's calculator overshoots.
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You wouldn't need an Ice attack at that point. BUT YES! MENCE WOULD TRIUMPH!
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Anyone want a battle? Rockin' did, but he went away.
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Let me put some dross together.
Because: Move Tutors want shards Red and Blue especially.
Also, I updated the OP with Kays summary of the Egg Nature trick.
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But Dragon Quest IV came out today which will probably eat up most of my DS time till next week, when Kirby Super star, Disgae DS, and Lego batman come out. Those will probably eat up my time until atleast the 30th, when Sonic Chronicles comes out.
God it's a great time to be a DS owner =D
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Maybe Hypnosis has already been NERFED?